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To think this is mad for primary school uniform?

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AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 19:39

My sisters 3 kids go to an ordinary state primary school in an ex mining town- not a lot of money floating about.

The school changed its uniform last year from branded jumper/cardi and tie

to different branded jumper/cardi, branded pe top, branded tie and branded book bag.

Tie is £5 ish, but all other items are £14 ish each.

Its all shit quality, so last years is in holes now, and one child has to have all in a new colour anyway- so handing down isn’t possible. (Plus mix of girls and boys- boy won’t wear girls old skirts!)

It just seems like madness to me and got me thinking;

If a child is sent in the right colour and type of jumper or top for example, but a plain supermarket one, can primary schools isolate them/send them home like a high school would?

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GedEye · 22/08/2024 21:41

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 20:26

@GedEye They used to have some that you could just take until COVID, that was useful because no one would know you had taken any -they probably do still have some somewhere.

But this is the kind of area where asking for that kind of thing would definitely be seen as ‘scrubber’ territory.

My Dsister will manage, we can all chip in if needs be, it’s just the principle that has annoyed me!

Edited

I hear ya.

I personally think uniforms are good, don’t have to think about it and everyone is the same - but only when reasonably accessible. It’s a shame sometimes the areas that can least afford it sometimes don’t embrace pre-loved.

Fab she has you and extended family to all chip in 😊 I can now afford it but we all remember it was tight growing up and so always all chip in for stuff the DC/neices/nephews need.

DitzyDerbyBabe86 · 22/08/2024 21:31

I thought the government had brought in legislation to change the uniforms to ensure parents weren’t being priced out of being able to afford them? I’d seriously contact your local council to find out?
Our kids primary was only logo on ties - everything else was fine from supermarkets, etc. Now in secondary, only blazers have to be logo, which seems completely fair and reasonable to me.

sunseaandsoundingoff · 22/08/2024 21:29

Have you read about what primary school children are required to have in Ireland, parents literally have to give the school hundreds of Euros to cover the required materials inc. books and stationery and a hundred Euro "voluntary" payment that isn't voluntary, and that's even before they get to uniform.

Confusedmeanderings · 22/08/2024 21:28

I really don't understand why schools do this. Before retirement I was a primary school deputy and school governor for many years. Our first question to ourselves when considering any changes of any kind was always how will this impact less well off families. We didn't feel that saying that they could buy second hand was a solution either. Why should children from poorer families be condemned to second hand clothes? There's nothing wrong with second hand, but there is when that is the only option open to a family. Being smart was important, whether something was branded or not was not. The one time we did a major uniform change, we said children could continue to wear the old one until they grew out of it or it fell apart.

HooverTheRoof · 22/08/2024 21:26

It's total madness and absolutely should be banned. The very expensive independent tailors in our town is the only place that sells uniform for all four of the local primary schools, it's a racket. At nearly £20 per jumper it's a piss take. Half the kids are on free school meals as well.

DanceMumTaxi · 22/08/2024 21:24

That’s far too much. Ours is in an affluent area but all you need branded is cardi/jumper, PE top and book bag. You can have more but this is the minimum. They also have a swap shop (free) and they put out the lost property that’s never been claimed which can be taken for free too.

SusieSussex · 22/08/2024 21:19

JohnTheRevelator · 22/08/2024 20:11

My DGD's primary school did a similar thing, when she reached the end of year 5,one bloody year before she left. Her mum (my DD) was furious. She had to pay out for a load of new stuff for one year. Complete madness.

Our school tried to bring in a new shirt style and tie with little notice. Dd had one more year of uniform and her existing uniform was in good condition. Lots of us emailed the school and they agreed to have a year's grace before bringing it in, apart from the new year 7s.

MamaAndTheSofa · 22/08/2024 21:14

That's madness. Our school changed the uniform about 6/7 years ago, but they're still allowed to wear the old version - plenty of people have hand-me-downs that are still going strong! The cost of school uniform is one of my bug-bears, though - why they can't make it all supermarket-bought, and just sell sew-on badges (which can be removed and reused) for a couple of things is beyond me.

SleepEatSnoozeRepeat · 22/08/2024 21:08

It's awful that they're changing things and increasing the number of logo items imo. I agree with you op. They're primary kids FFS!
DS didn't need anything to be branded and the school got great results. No need for all this nonsense.

Remagirl · 22/08/2024 21:07

Since September 2022 schools are no longer allowed to enforce branded uniform items.

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 21:07

nadine90 · 22/08/2024 21:04

I would wonder how much they actually enforce it. My son’s primary uniform list has logo jumper, gold logo polo and book bag. I bought it all the first year but as things needed replacing I’ve bought plain supermarket items and yellow polos when I couldn’t find gold and they’ve never once said anything. If they are strict on it I would definitely raise the legislation with them.

I also wonder what would happen if people just started sending them in plain clothes- we are in one of those areas where no one would want to be seen to not be able to afford it, and wouldn’t want their child to be the odd one out.

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Timeturnerplease · 22/08/2024 21:06

Oldinjuryhelp111037 · 22/08/2024 19:44

It is madness. Our school has its faults but when it comes to uniform, they are great. Any yellow polo shirt or you can buy logo one. Any grey cardigan or jumper branded or unbranded. Black shoes. By the end of year they allow trainers so 0arents don't need to buy again. Pe kit Any top as long as its house colour. And grey trousers or skirt/dress. But I did send eldest in black as at the time grey had run out and they didn't say anything.

Primary school, I would expect them to be a bit flexible as they need to be running around and things gey holes in from football and falling over etc. Secondary I understand why it's stricter, but it's a bit extreme. Especially as most of the working world doesn't live in suits!

I agree, it’s madness. I’m a primary teacher with DD1 attending my school. By the end of July she was in trainers as her shoes had a hole in and no one blinked an eye. I genuinely don’t notice what children in my class wear unless it raises safeguarding concerns (e.g. ill-fitting, inappropriate for weather etc). Headteacher makes a the ppint clearly to new parents that branded cardis/jumpers are entirely optional and that supermarket are fine in the school colours.

I just don’t get why uniform suddenly has to be a big issue at secondary. Suits and ties are on their way out in the world of work; surely just regulate colours of polo tops/jumpers/bottom halves and shoes etc and save time arguing with teens?

nadine90 · 22/08/2024 21:04

I would wonder how much they actually enforce it. My son’s primary uniform list has logo jumper, gold logo polo and book bag. I bought it all the first year but as things needed replacing I’ve bought plain supermarket items and yellow polos when I couldn’t find gold and they’ve never once said anything. If they are strict on it I would definitely raise the legislation with them.

theduchessofspork · 22/08/2024 21:04

Greydogs123 · 22/08/2024 19:47

Could try approaching the school with This
(parliamentary report on uniform costs)
and this

Edited

yup I would write to the head and the board, and the local paper if you don’t get a result

if they are going to be robust enough for years of hand downs, which is only realistic if the school can pay for it, if the parents can’t.

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 21:04

SleepingStandingUp · 22/08/2024 20:58

Which is fine if there's other decent local options that have more relaxed uniform rules. If every local school has uniform rules like yours, then people don't really have the "don't apply then!" option.

Ours is polo shirts - logo is £7 I think but not compulsory. Jumper, logo is £13 but not compulsory. Trousers / skirt etc, any in correct colours. Pe - white polo / t-shirt, black bottoms, unbranded trainers. No set pe bag although there is a school one, and water bottle. Every kid is given a plastic book bag and whilst I did buy one for eldest, no one really uses them - plastic ones are larger.

It's also compulsory school meals in infants, no lunches brought from school

Which is fine if there's other decent local options that have more relaxed uniform rules.

Or they don’t suddenly change it and introduce more branded stuff when your children are already at the school.

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UnfortunatelyGotTheTshirt · 22/08/2024 21:01

museumum · 22/08/2024 20:17

I’m in Scotland where schools cannot enforce but I was happy to buy logoed navy sweatshirts as they last well especially if you buy them huge but I refused the logo white polo cause they were stained in weeks. I bought plain white polis instead.

We're in Scotland and the exact same. Nothing actually has to be branded and the school actively encourages buying supermarket or second hand. Our uniform is navy too 😊

Ineffable23 · 22/08/2024 21:01

BranstonPickleAndNikNaks · 22/08/2024 20:26

To add, when I was in primary, my mum sent me in all unbranded things, and when the head raised it with her she basically said, "What are you going to do about it? She's here to learn. I'm going to keep dropping her off in these clothes, and I'm not picking her up early just because she hasn't got fancy clothes. So you can either send her to walk home alone aged 5 and have whatever happens to her on your conscience, or you can teach her in the clothes I've sent her in." And we didn't hear any more about it 😬

This is what my mum did as well. Especially once year when the school introduced only black shoes after my shoes had already been bought in the sale, not in black.

SleepingStandingUp · 22/08/2024 20:58

outside1inside · 22/08/2024 20:15

DSs state primary has,
School tie £7
School jumper £14
School blazer £37.50
School pe top £8
School pe bag £5
School book bag £7
All compulsory
Everything else can be supermarket.
He is 4 it's ridiculous, but we knew about it when we applied so can't complain.

Which is fine if there's other decent local options that have more relaxed uniform rules. If every local school has uniform rules like yours, then people don't really have the "don't apply then!" option.

Ours is polo shirts - logo is £7 I think but not compulsory. Jumper, logo is £13 but not compulsory. Trousers / skirt etc, any in correct colours. Pe - white polo / t-shirt, black bottoms, unbranded trainers. No set pe bag although there is a school one, and water bottle. Every kid is given a plastic book bag and whilst I did buy one for eldest, no one really uses them - plastic ones are larger.

It's also compulsory school meals in infants, no lunches brought from school

Threeboysadogacatandakitten · 22/08/2024 20:56

A few years ago our secondary school decided to change the uniform from logo hoodies/t-shirts (good quality, unisex) to shirts, ties, jumpers and blazers. The information was in an end of term letter for the start of the new term. I had just bought 3 new hoodies for ds, the school shop was still selling them and lots of families had either bought or had perfectly good ones to hand down. The parents complained and it didn’t happen.

Didimum · 22/08/2024 20:54

Schools cannot enforce branded/logo items.

IMBCRound2 · 22/08/2024 20:36

Unless my little one has a serious growth spurt - she’s going to barely be in 2-3 clothing by the time she starts school- and that’s if I size up to give her growing room. I’ve been helpfully told by a couple local schools I can get her things tailored. She’ll be 4! I full expect her to destroy those things playing outside and I’ll be genuinely disappointed if she comes home tidy.

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 20:26

@GedEye They used to have some that you could just take until COVID, that was useful because no one would know you had taken any -they probably do still have some somewhere.

But this is the kind of area where asking for that kind of thing would definitely be seen as ‘scrubber’ territory.

My Dsister will manage, we can all chip in if needs be, it’s just the principle that has annoyed me!

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BranstonPickleAndNikNaks · 22/08/2024 20:26

To add, when I was in primary, my mum sent me in all unbranded things, and when the head raised it with her she basically said, "What are you going to do about it? She's here to learn. I'm going to keep dropping her off in these clothes, and I'm not picking her up early just because she hasn't got fancy clothes. So you can either send her to walk home alone aged 5 and have whatever happens to her on your conscience, or you can teach her in the clothes I've sent her in." And we didn't hear any more about it 😬

Rory17384949 · 22/08/2024 20:24

In Wales primary schools aren't allowed to enforce branded uniform so a supermarket jumper would be fine. Not sure if the same in England though

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 20:22

Guavafish1 · 22/08/2024 20:17

Just ask them for the brand or emblem so you can sew it on the PE top and others stuff

I suggested this (I’d have to do it Dsister can’t thread a needle!) but it isn’t an embroidered patch, it’s machine embroidered straight onto the garment. The shop wouldn’t be able to provide it separately.

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