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To think this is mad for primary school uniform?

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AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 19:39

My sisters 3 kids go to an ordinary state primary school in an ex mining town- not a lot of money floating about.

The school changed its uniform last year from branded jumper/cardi and tie

to different branded jumper/cardi, branded pe top, branded tie and branded book bag.

Tie is £5 ish, but all other items are £14 ish each.

Its all shit quality, so last years is in holes now, and one child has to have all in a new colour anyway- so handing down isn’t possible. (Plus mix of girls and boys- boy won’t wear girls old skirts!)

It just seems like madness to me and got me thinking;

If a child is sent in the right colour and type of jumper or top for example, but a plain supermarket one, can primary schools isolate them/send them home like a high school would?

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DrCoconut · 24/08/2024 19:40

@Solent123 Our primary school got a new logo (with the new head) but due to it being an extremely deprived area you only get the new logo as items are replaced, there was no expectation to buy new items immediately. Due to hand me downs there is a 50:50 split now between old and new. And another new head starts in a couple of weeks 😫

junebirthdaygirl · 24/08/2024 19:32

Surely if you add up the pay per wear it's actually good value. Nothing gets worn as much as school uniform.
Spend lots of money buying Christmas outfits/ Christmas pyjamas etc..worn once maybe. I couldn't resent spending money on some clothes they are literally going to wear day in, day out.

Heatherbell1978 · 24/08/2024 19:25

DS has just left a state primary here in Scotland where the most they have uniform-wise is a navy sweatshirt with logo which costs £14. All grey/navy supermarket uniform is fine and the gingham dresses. His sweatshirts pass down to DD. He's off to private school where I've managed to source everything branded second hand to last next 2 years for a couple of hundred quid. They can wear any trousers or shirts. Reading posts like this on here it seems like state schools in England dress like private schools in Scotland. State schools up here are very casual.

TealPoet · 24/08/2024 19:15

I think it’s awful. One logo’d sweatshirt of good quality I can accept as reasonable, with everything else done by simple colour. £84 per child for poor quality is shocking :(

seagullsky · 23/08/2024 16:46

I wish people wouldn’t take the line “if you choose a school you sign up for its uniform policies, so suck it up.”

First: for many people choice is a myth. There was 1 school our kids would have got into. Fortunately it is good and we were happy with it, but if we didn’t like it, that would be tough. The out of catchment schools would not have accepted us on the grounds that we preferred its uniform policies!

Second, just because you make a choice doesn’t mean you have no right to raise questions or make polite criticisms of how things are done. I chose my workplace - that doesn’t mean I don’t raise it when I see things that could be done differently or better, or if policies and practices are unfair.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 23/08/2024 12:58

I think the branded sweatshirts are nice, but they should ensure good quality. Everything else including pe tops seems unnecessary.
if requiring a branded bag they should make sure it’s good quality and will last.
I don’t think the prices are that bad though, they probably aren’t different from when I was at primary school 30 years ago.

NightIbble · 23/08/2024 07:41

My Ds's school is really good as long as things are the right colour nothing needs to be branded.
No tie or anything eirther just a white polo shirt, grey trousers and green jumper. Branded stuff is available but not compulsory and we have pre-loved uniform sales every term.
We have a new headmaster starting this year and really hope he doesn't change the uniform!

Boxina · 23/08/2024 07:31

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 20:22

I suggested this (I’d have to do it Dsister can’t thread a needle!) but it isn’t an embroidered patch, it’s machine embroidered straight onto the garment. The shop wouldn’t be able to provide it separately.

Cut it out from the existing items that need to be replaced and then use it as a badge on plain items.

IMBCRound2 · 23/08/2024 07:28

PissedOffNeighbour22 · 22/08/2024 23:49

My DD starts in a couple of weeks and she's in 2-3yrs uniform. The pinafores are huge on her! Not a chance I'd be paying for tailoring 😂

I don’t think I properly rearranged my face into something polite particularly quickly!

Clarabellasingsthisbit · 23/08/2024 07:11

I agree- the response about the new embroidered pe tops was that it is a necessary safeguarding measure because it means that when children play matches against other schools they are identifiable.

Our PTA and an outside sponsor donated a school footy strip for the team to wear when playing against other schools.

As for the separate Y6 uniform; only the prefects wore a different colour sweatshirt to everyone else.This made them easily identifiable to the rest of the school and they were presented with these,paid for by the school,during the end-of-year awards ceremony the preceding July.

During my long teaching career,I saw so many changes in school uniform in primary.It used to be quite sufficient to identify a school locally by its tie worn with a jumper in the school colour.Then polo shirts and sweatshirts came in and the whole 'branding' malarkey started;first of all with transfer logos and then the 'posh' embroidered logos took over-and costs started to go up and up.Add fleeces,raincoats,sunhats and bookbags to that and it really does add up.

Natsku · 23/08/2024 04:54

BranstonPickleAndNikNaks · 22/08/2024 20:26

To add, when I was in primary, my mum sent me in all unbranded things, and when the head raised it with her she basically said, "What are you going to do about it? She's here to learn. I'm going to keep dropping her off in these clothes, and I'm not picking her up early just because she hasn't got fancy clothes. So you can either send her to walk home alone aged 5 and have whatever happens to her on your conscience, or you can teach her in the clothes I've sent her in." And we didn't hear any more about it 😬

My mum refused to send me (and my brothers) in uniform at all. Just sent us in our normal everyday clothes and our primary school just accepted it.

onwardandupwards · 23/08/2024 03:44

My dd school uniform is any white or blue polo shirt, any grey or black skirt/ shorts/ trousers/ leggings or joggers, black shoes ( trainers fine in summer term) and any blue jumper/ cardigan.
Any book bag your child likes as they really encourage reading
PE kit is any t shirt and shorts/ joggers.
They are a lovely school as well.

Nat6999 · 23/08/2024 00:39

They tried to enforce a "voluntary donation" at ds primary, it wasn't going to the school, but to the Catholic Church, I just told them we weren't Catholic & that I wasn't donating, every time I got another demand, they got the same answer. It was £30 a year at a time I was trying to manage as a single parent to feed & clothe me & ds on £50 a week.

GellerYeller · 23/08/2024 00:33

AndyandTerrysMum · 23/08/2024 00:20

No you buy the leavers hoodie separately (and it is optional).

So y6 have meal costs
uniform costs
school trip cost
leavers hoodie cost
£300-£400 residential cost

plus the usual pay X amount for ground costs (£30 per child), and another ‘discretionary’ payment to school funds that they will hound you for if you don’t pay.

Good grief, this has brought back some memories.
Then you’ve got school photos, Christmas cards/tea towels, class photos.
‘Optional’ payments were brought in at ours and chased vociferously.
What are ‘ground costs’?

Jellybeanz456 · 23/08/2024 00:31

Our primary aren't bothered aslong as in the correct colour can even choose to wear a polo tee or shirt with tie aslong as wearing shoes not trainers it's fine.

EMary12345 · 23/08/2024 00:25

You need to complain - it's not allowed anymore! Our school has branded if they want it but most don't and as a teacher I tell the parents not to buy it! Grey trouser/skirtd, navy jumpers and blue polo shirts. Pe kit is now a plain white t shirt and black shorts.

Nat6999 · 23/08/2024 00:25

I found a market stall that sold school uniform that you could have a logo embroidered on for half the price & got everything that needed it done there. Saved a fortune because ds went through one white polo a day & the only white wash I did was for his tops. I only bought one sweatshirt because he refused to wear them, I did the same for secondary as well.

AndyandTerrysMum · 23/08/2024 00:20

GellerYeller · 23/08/2024 00:11

Is the different coloured jumper for year 6 a Leavers’ hoodie? Or do you have to buy one of those as well?
I can’t get too wound up about those as the kids don’t seem to mind wearing them outside school, and it’s a rite of passage they look forward to.

No you buy the leavers hoodie separately (and it is optional).

So y6 have meal costs
uniform costs
school trip cost
leavers hoodie cost
£300-£400 residential cost

plus the usual pay X amount for ground costs (£30 per child), and another ‘discretionary’ payment to school funds that they will hound you for if you don’t pay.

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AndyandTerrysMum · 23/08/2024 00:14

Agapornis · 22/08/2024 23:57

Indeed - one of those says "From next autumn [2022], schools will be required to help keep costs down by taking steps to remove unnecessary branded items and allowing more high-street options, like supermarket own-brand uniform."

The fuss made last year, did anyone contact the governors? If not please do it now, with reference to DfE statutory guidelines. It is legally binding. Statutory guidance sets out what schools must do to comply with the law. They should follow the guidance unless they have a very good reason not to. Safeguarding is bullshit - other schools manage to do without embroidered logos. For school trips they could wear a sticker, lanyard or hi vis.

The head needs to stop embroidering the truth ;)

I agree- the response about the new embroidered pe tops was that it is a necessary safeguarding measure because it means that when children play matches against other schools they are identifiable.

The bibs that have been used forever are apparently insufficient.

I reckon the bibs were knackered and rather than spend money on new ones the head wanted to pass on the cost to the parents. It isn’t a particularly sporty school- the only team I know of that has actual fixtures against other schools is football.

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GellerYeller · 23/08/2024 00:11

Is the different coloured jumper for year 6 a Leavers’ hoodie? Or do you have to buy one of those as well?
I can’t get too wound up about those as the kids don’t seem to mind wearing them outside school, and it’s a rite of passage they look forward to.

kierenthecommunity · 23/08/2024 00:10

There’s a primary school near us, that opened in 2013 and is on its third uniform change. They changed name in 2021, so fair enough, their logo changed but they also changed the uniform colour. Whereas if they’d just changed the badge the older DC could have carried on wearing the old logo gear until it wore out.

They have now not only changed the colour again, puzzling to the same colour as their nearest neighbour primary, but brought in a compulsory tie and blazer too.

All the children have been given a free uniform, and admittedly my friend’s DD who is about to start YR looks super cute in it. But they only get one free one. Any future ones have to be paid for.

All the previous two uniforms have presumably been binned, as they can’t be handed down to younger DC now 🙄😡

Maray1967 · 23/08/2024 00:08

outside1inside · 22/08/2024 20:15

DSs state primary has,
School tie £7
School jumper £14
School blazer £37.50
School pe top £8
School pe bag £5
School book bag £7
All compulsory
Everything else can be supermarket.
He is 4 it's ridiculous, but we knew about it when we applied so can't complain.

Yes you can and you should. Think about what’s going on here - it’s a form
of social exclusion. Low income families fear the cost and so don’t apply. What on earth is a blazer doing in a primary school uniform?

If our primary had pulled a stunt like this, I would have been a very loud complaining parent. I can hardly be accused of undermining education as I’m a university head of department. All parents with DC who feel confident challenging such a ridiculous and exclusionary uniform policy should make their voices heard. Our primary allows plain polos, sweatshirts and PE kit as long as it’s in the school colours - which are very standard and widely available. Most parents bought one school logo polo for the summer photo and a multipack of plain ones from a supermarket/Next/ M&S.

Agapornis · 22/08/2024 23:57

Greydogs123 · 22/08/2024 19:47

Could try approaching the school with This
(parliamentary report on uniform costs)
and this

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Indeed - one of those says "From next autumn [2022], schools will be required to help keep costs down by taking steps to remove unnecessary branded items and allowing more high-street options, like supermarket own-brand uniform."

The fuss made last year, did anyone contact the governors? If not please do it now, with reference to DfE statutory guidelines. It is legally binding. Statutory guidance sets out what schools must do to comply with the law. They should follow the guidance unless they have a very good reason not to. Safeguarding is bullshit - other schools manage to do without embroidered logos. For school trips they could wear a sticker, lanyard or hi vis.

The head needs to stop embroidering the truth ;)

PissedOffNeighbour22 · 22/08/2024 23:49

IMBCRound2 · 22/08/2024 20:36

Unless my little one has a serious growth spurt - she’s going to barely be in 2-3 clothing by the time she starts school- and that’s if I size up to give her growing room. I’ve been helpfully told by a couple local schools I can get her things tailored. She’ll be 4! I full expect her to destroy those things playing outside and I’ll be genuinely disappointed if she comes home tidy.

My DD starts in a couple of weeks and she's in 2-3yrs uniform. The pinafores are huge on her! Not a chance I'd be paying for tailoring 😂

AndyandTerrysMum · 22/08/2024 23:12

AzureSheep · 22/08/2024 23:06

God this sounds INSANE. Why are they making yr 6s wear something entirely different, when they’ll have to have another change of uniform for yr 7?

Why have the bloody BOOK BAGS got to be branded?!

my daughters school, and all the primaries in our area are fine with unbranded but correct colours / style. And we can order the branded stuff through ParentMail so not reliant on specialist shop. The sweatshirts / cardigans are between £9 and £13 depending on size. PE tops £7. And they’re excellent quality,
Last for ages.

I think you’ve got a legitimate concern to raise with the head / governors with regards to affordability, discrimination, accessibility.

Why are they making yr 6s wear something entirely different, when they’ll have to have another change of uniform for yr 7?

To reflect their special position as the oldest in the school. Apparently it means they will be more grown up and take more responsibility for themselves.

It’s the usual uniform with a different colour jumper I think, but adds to the problem of not being able to hand stuff down.

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