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Daughter refusing to speak normally

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Maryahadaballtoday · 22/08/2024 18:23

I’m at my bloody wits end with my child and I’m very close to telling her so.

I have one child (daughter she’s eight) she is my only child as a few years ago I had my tubes tied neither me or partner wanted another daughter - perfectly fine with just one and she has plenty of cousins and friends to spend time with. I

Its worth noting before I go on that my child is not neurodivergent nor is she from a broken home. Me and her dad have been together twelve years. We have never broken up nor divorced either, partly because we’ve never been married. So there’s really no need for her to be doing what she does.

Lately she has been reverting back to baby speech - saying things like chippies or icky, the worst is bobo when she wants her water bottle and it’s grinding my gears to the maximum. It’s gotten so bad that my partner will flat out ignore her.

Earlier on today she had a full on temper tantrum and kept screaming “icky icky icky” over ice cream spilling on her fingers while we were out. When I pulled her up on to her feet and sternly told her she was on thin ice she reverted back to baby speech “I no wike you” was among my top five favourites.

AIBU to ignore her like my partner is doing? Is this a phase she’ll grow out of? I’m dreading sending her back to school the week after next because her baby talk has got so bad none of her friends have wanted to spend time all summer

I really don’t need the shaming mum parade, I’d like a hand hold and for someone to tell me their kid has also been driving them beserk too

although I know I’m likely to be flamed - Mumsnet seems to be that way

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Noseybookworm · 22/08/2024 22:13

I suspect she's enjoying the fact that it's obviously winding you up so much. Ignore it as much as possible or just say 'I'll answer you when you speak properly'. Above all stay calm and don't show that it's getting to you. It's an annoying phase, that's all.

McP13 · 22/08/2024 22:12

They all do this it’s a stage. My nephew did it and he now 17 and a perfectly well mannered almost adult. My son did it too. And I had my stock phrase of ‘talk in your normal voice please’ on REPEAT!! He’s now 13 and grown out of it..

Montydone · 22/08/2024 22:05

Maybesayno · 22/08/2024 21:27

I’d let her go back to school with this silly behaviour and let her teacher sort it out. She’ll soon realise she’s being ridiculous when she’s pulled up about it by someone other than her parents

Hi, did you never play, pretend to be another person or an animal, put on an act as a child? Did you ever play that really annoying game when you repeat the thing the other person has just said? I clearly remember talking in a made up language for AGES and I was older than 10! I think if my mum had told me I was being “silly” or “ridiculous” then it wouldn’t have stopped me doing it, I might have A. Felt quite disconnected from her, or B. Felt down on myself and think of myself as silly or annoying.

I really sometimes don’t know where our current model of parenting comes from and I feel really quite depressed reading this thread at the lack of understanding that one of the most important thing a kid needs is to feel connected and understood; that a kid who is regularly dismissed and who has their thoughts, feelings and experiences shut down is likely to feel shit about themselves. Sometimes I think we treat kids with less respect than adults

IsitaHatOrACat · 22/08/2024 22:02

I haven't read though 12 pages yet however it looks like you are getting good advice

YABVU to use the phrase "broken home".
Single parent here and neither my home nor my family are in any way "broken".

Ppzd · 22/08/2024 22:00

Maryahadaballtoday · 22/08/2024 19:41

Eff that. No. I’m NOT indulging my eight year old / who has no clue her Dad lost her job because we hide it from her - to talk like a baby.

Nope. Sorry but No. She has no clue, and we’ve hidden it from her because if she found out she’d be even more relentless with the baby speech.

My child goes into year four in two weeks.

To be honest, in this response you sound quite childish OP. Refusing to put yourself in your daughter's shoes and isolating yourself crying and watching a show (huh, hello teenager-lile behaviour!). Of course our kids pick up on our stress and tensions, even when we think we hide it well from them, they can for sure sense even small changes in our behaviours and habits.

BippityBopper · 22/08/2024 22:00

HauntedbyMagpies · 22/08/2024 19:05

@BippityBopper Nobody has diagnosed anybody. Read my posts again. I said “it sounds like” & I made it very clear that my ONLY reason for saying so, was that my autistic child does the exact same behaviour.
Even if I had ‘diagnosed’ I’d say what is far worse, is all the posters on here, telling OP how she should punish this child who very well could be autistic. It’s disgusting

No you didn't say "it sounds like" at all. You explicitly said OP's child IS ND. Why tell a blatant lie when your post is there for all to see?

Lollipop81 · 22/08/2024 21:59

Theunamedcat · 22/08/2024 20:07

Pretty sure she is bluntly telling people this to stop dozens of questions like is he her real dad? Does she see her real dad? Does he have another baby and she thinks she is being replaced questions

You’ve completely missed my point. It’s the term broken home. I’m a single parent family and my home is far from broken thank you. The OP also implies that it would be understandable if her daughter spoke like that and she was in a single parent family. That just isn’t the case is it.

sonjadog · 22/08/2024 21:58

This kind of annoying shit is where teachers are useful. I bet after a day or two back at school and she pack it in.

Ppzd · 22/08/2024 21:57

Montydone · 22/08/2024 19:20

Hi, I get that you are at the end of your tether and this comes across in your messages; you sound fed up and you needed space from her and locked the door to get it. I’ve been there at the end of my tether and needed space and when that’s happened my child has become more upset and more “baby-like”. It was a time I felt disconnected from them.

I’m trying to put myself in her shoes…. She started talking in a baby voice for whatever reason (regressing; fearful of going into year 4; wanting to see what the response would be; just pretending to be little again?) and then I wonder if your response actually reinforced it and now she is DIGGING her heels in!

If I were you, I think I’d go with it and have a play! Try to connect with her without expectation. Quit worrying about what will happen in the future, get rid of the tension and go with it.

Talk to her about what it was like when she was 3 and the funny and sweet way she used to say things, read the stories she used to love, look together at photos from when she was 3 and reminisce about fun times! Tell her what you used to do together, her favourite things back then; what you loved (love) about her… NOT with the intention of getting rid of the baby talk, just taking a deep dive into it together to see if you can get that connection back.

People may scoff and think that is a terrible idea, but that’s what I would do!

This! Best advice! My older child started doing baby behaviours and talk after the birth of my 2nd and I leaned into it. Playing mommy and baby with her, reminiscing of her as a baby, looking at pictures etc. It was actually super sweet to remember that time. It quickly went away. There is always something behind the behaviours. Behaviour is communication, it's often helpful to try and figure out what she is trying to communicate/what need she's trying to meet.
Maybe your daughter is a bit scared of going back to school, specially if there are issues with friends. She might, consciously or not, miss simpler times when she was younger and was your little baby, safe by your side all the time?

Calliopespa · 22/08/2024 21:57

DreamCarpet · 22/08/2024 21:33

Exactly - and why do kids wind their parents up? To test if their love really is unconditional or will they be rejected. You can accept an expression of feeling and still hold boundaries on behaviour. Acceptance isn’t the same as encouragement. Ignoring her is rejection, that will prove the child’s test that love is conditional and can be withdrawn and will lay the foundations for a lifetime of issues.

Very true.

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 22/08/2024 21:56

She's well old enough to know better and stop when you've asked her to stop.

I'd tell her her bedtime will be 5 minutes earlier each and every time you have to remind her to stop, because babies have earlier bedtimes than 8 year old girls. If she's going to talk like a baby, she can go to bed early like a baby.

Lourdes12 · 22/08/2024 21:56

My 6 year old does this. We just say we don’t understand baby language. She will only get a response if she speaks in a normal voice/words

Beforetheend · 22/08/2024 21:55

@Maryahadaballtoday A lot of your stress around this is based on things that might happen in the future, eg how her teacher might respond. It’s not easy to block out those thoughts, but they’re very seldom helpful or even accurate. Try not to catastrophise.

What strikes me is that you’re already dealing with a lot of stress. And even though you’re keeping the facts from her, it’s very likely that she’s observing your unhappiness. Children always think they are responsible and it could be that she has landed on this way of winding you up, that gives her an unconscious sense of control. She’s probably not directly aware of it, and caught up in a self perpetuating loop.

Sometimes as adults we have to restore connection with our dc. It’s actually really important to model how to rebuild and repair relationship, if we want them to learn these skills. Is there something you can do together, maybe watch a movie or some Netflix show, that doesn’t require much talking. Sit together, cuddle, eat some snacks and just be there passively.

Do you want to share a bit more about your situation- what happened with your partner’s job? Is he likely to struggle to get another? How badly impacted are you? It sounds like you need somewhere to safely vent.

Thisoldheartofmine · 22/08/2024 21:50

I guess the OP has long ago left the room
I agree she sounds at the end of her tether she'd in need of a break
It does seem odd to have seen 3 psychiatrists and that more than ones teacher has commented on whether she is ND.
It also seems odd of the OP to say ," I have it in writing .. that she's.."

FortunataTagnips · 22/08/2024 21:49

Sooooo irritating. But I think you just have to ignore it. Has she been watching a lot of kids’ YouTube? There’s all manner of cheaply made shit on it featuring whiny cartoon babies. (Why, yes, this is the voice of experience…)

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 22/08/2024 21:48

@NeverDropYourMooncup

HamBagelNoCheese · 22/08/2024 21:46

@Maryahadaballtoday you say there's "nothing wrong" with her but you also say she's seen 3 psychiatrists. This is highly unusual at 8 years old. What was the reason for the psychiatrists and how did it come about?

(I say this asthenia parent of a 6 year old who has been assessed by 4 different psychologists!)

TulaTilda · 22/08/2024 21:46

DreamCarpet · 22/08/2024 21:33

Exactly - and why do kids wind their parents up? To test if their love really is unconditional or will they be rejected. You can accept an expression of feeling and still hold boundaries on behaviour. Acceptance isn’t the same as encouragement. Ignoring her is rejection, that will prove the child’s test that love is conditional and can be withdrawn and will lay the foundations for a lifetime of issues.

Ime they wind parents up because they're a bit of a twat.
Ignoring stupid behaviour isn't withdrawing love its ignoring stupid behaviour and I'm sure op tells dd she loves her and shows a million ways how she's loved but not pandering to her behaviour jsnt going to cause issues

Sorrelia · 22/08/2024 21:45

Not the same thing but my toddler has started speaking all babyish again now that her little sister is born. When I asked her why, she told me sheepishly it is because she still wants to be the baby. So it's a way to feel loved and get our attention.
Does your daughter speak like a baby all the time and doesn't speak normally now anymore? Or just sometimes throughout the day?
Is there anything bothering her - you mention her going into Y4 - is she going into a new classroom? Potentially stressed by that?

namechange1986 · 22/08/2024 21:44

At the start you say you had tubes tied and didn't want another daughter. Then later you say you wish you could have more children but can't because of long Covid. Confused

WalkingaroundJardine · 22/08/2024 21:41

I was the queen of getting specialist appointments for my son with ASD but never managed to see 3 psychiatrists by age 8. We saw a paediatrician and a psychologist. I believe psychiatrists tend to have mostly adult clients and the only children I know of who have seen them did so because they had very complex difficulties with their medication.

Yuj · 22/08/2024 21:41

I think you should show some compassion to your child. My child does this sometimes, and I couldn’t care less. Why does this bother you so much? Maybe reflect on that. She will stop eventually, but it will probably keep going while you make a huge deal out of it. See a GP and ask for their advice, but please don’t make her stop because it’s stressing you out. Get curious about why she’s doing it. If she suddenly started to ask for a nappy or started pooping in a corner - fair game to get upset!

SpringboksSocks · 22/08/2024 21:37

HauntedbyMagpies · 22/08/2024 18:53

Psychiatrists don’t get involved in autism assessments/diagnosis love! None of them do. Also, Teachers are NOT autism assessors! They don’t have the qualifications nor rights to declare a child not autistic so that’s completely wrong!

Why are you hateful of neurodiversity? It’s nothing to be ashamed of

Edited

I’m involved in autism assessments and I can tell you that plenty of psychiatrists are.

livelovelough24 · 22/08/2024 21:36

Dear OP, I have to say that I agree with some posters that you sound too upset for something so trivial. Is it possible that you are overburdened with other things happening in your life, so that this one is just a last straw?

You are also very defensive for someone who came to momsnet to ask for advice. We are not professionals and can only tell you what we think this may be, based on our own experience. Therefore, I suggest, instead of refusing to accept any and all of our suggestions, you actually think about what we are saying. The way I see it there may be multiple things happening but, in my opinion, neither one requires any kind of punishment of your child.

  • She may be just experimenting, role playing, nothing serious. You can decide to not react at all or to join in the “game” and see where it takes you. Anything but “punish” like a lot of posters are suggesting. I mean she is not doing anything bad, dangerous or such.
  • I know you are saying that you had her checked by multiple psychiatrists but I still think that she may be having some problems she does not know how to express. It is very difficult to get through a child at that age.
  • It seems that your family is going through something and chances are that she found out or is simply feeling the tension. Instead of not talking to her, perhaps you can do the opposite. Sit her down and tell her and see how she reacts.
Purrer · 22/08/2024 21:36

At least she isn’t neurodivergent or from a broken home, the two worst things anyone could possibly be 🙄