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Excluded from family holiday

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notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 14:14

Name changed in case this is identifying

3 adult siblings.
1 single with low paid job, no degree due to ADHD and some mental health issues in late teens.
2 Married, both on high incomes.
3 making career out of being in education, has low income but in a relationship and therefore splits costs with partner.

No children yet.

Siblings 2 and 3 and 1 parent along with siblings partners have booked a holiday together next year. Parent is paying for sibling 3 and their partner to go.

Sibling 1 not invited. Not told about it until it was booked and was told by parent that they should be ok with it. No option for them to join.

Sibling 1 not had a holiday for over 13 years. Offered some money instead of which 50% they can use for a holiday the other 50% parent wants to keep as 'savings' in case they need it in years to come.

Narrative about sibling 1 is that they are bad with money. In reality they live hand to mouth and do their best but money only goes so far.

Relationship between siblings 1 & 2 is strained but not due to lack of effort on siblings 1 part.

It's probably obvious which sibling I am.

Aibu to be really hurt? What would you do if you were sibling 1? Walk away? Say nothing and just accept it? Make it known im not happy with it and potentially cause a huge row?

OP posts:
notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 22:22

@DoreenonTill8 no siblings 3 isn't in employment they are still studying. They have so far done 7 years or more in higher education.

I am the sibling in a low paid industry. Saying what would be outing. I am trying to set up another business funnily enough its finances that are preventing this from moving forward. £1000 in cash would be potentially life changing for me.

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 22/08/2024 22:19

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:53

I'm not meaning to sound judgemental about sibling 3 choices. That's up to them and good on them for it. But I do find it hard to be accused of being financially irresponsible because I work in a low paid industry when a sibling is praised highly for being supported for years on end with no end in sight. Sibling 3 has had far more financial support from parents than I have had. I struggle to make ends meet. I have less than £20 to my name right now.
Yes my sibling will be very well educated but that is not necessary in their field or industry. Nor will make them more employable.

What industry are you in? Is sibling 3 a teacher so parents and sibling 2 see them in a good but low paid job?

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 22:19

@Baleful I have no problem with people choosing to go on holiday with whom ever they want. The issue is deliberately excluding one person. It's hurtful.
Or if you're going to exclude them then be man enough to stand up and own it! Be honest about it! It's just nasty to be so underhand and devious about it.

OP posts:
pizzaHeart · 22/08/2024 22:14

Ozanj · 22/08/2024 15:09

Do it. Kick up the stink. Let the holiday be cancelled. Then cut them all out of your life.

i agree with this^
I would question this situation as calm as possible. No, it can’t be about money as they are paying for sibling 3 and helping them. So what it is about? Ask your parent this question and see what they say.

Baleful · 22/08/2024 21:58

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 19:56

@Baleful it's not my parents decision it's my siblings. Sibling 2 has made the decision.

But surely people are entitled to decide who they go on holiday with? I love both my sisters, but I wouldn’t go on a family holiday that involved both of them, as the combination creates tensions.

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:54

BananaSpanner · 22/08/2024 21:48

I feel for you OP, I really do, it’s very hurtful but I think you’re giving your other family members a free pass by just blaming sibling 2. It may have been their suggestion but the others have all gone along with it, including the parent hence the money.

Honestly, I’d have some pride, decline the money, and put some space between you all.

I think this is what I will do.

OP posts:
notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:53

Rumplestrumpet · 22/08/2024 21:37

My god posters are being awful to you OP. Of course parents don't "have to" invite you on holiday, but they really should treat their children fairly and your mum's not doing this.

If this was about your poor behaviour and your family were totally reasonable then you'd be able to discuss it with them respectfully and explain how upsetting it was for you. The fact you say this would blow it all up and possibly lead to mum cancelling it and blaming you suggests they're not being reasonable.

You are coming across angry, but it's impossible for posters to know if the background to all this shows you as toxic or your wealthy sibling. I would suggest you speak to. A neutral family member (cousin ?) for advice on next steps. I would want it registered at least with your mum that her behaviour is incredibly unfair.

One comment I would make however is that the way your present your poorer sibling as the forever student does sound quite mean and judgemental. Might be worth reflecting on whether you've got that dynamic right or not.

Good luck

I'm not meaning to sound judgemental about sibling 3 choices. That's up to them and good on them for it. But I do find it hard to be accused of being financially irresponsible because I work in a low paid industry when a sibling is praised highly for being supported for years on end with no end in sight. Sibling 3 has had far more financial support from parents than I have had. I struggle to make ends meet. I have less than £20 to my name right now.
Yes my sibling will be very well educated but that is not necessary in their field or industry. Nor will make them more employable.

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DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 22/08/2024 21:49

Rumplestrumpet · 22/08/2024 21:37

My god posters are being awful to you OP. Of course parents don't "have to" invite you on holiday, but they really should treat their children fairly and your mum's not doing this.

If this was about your poor behaviour and your family were totally reasonable then you'd be able to discuss it with them respectfully and explain how upsetting it was for you. The fact you say this would blow it all up and possibly lead to mum cancelling it and blaming you suggests they're not being reasonable.

You are coming across angry, but it's impossible for posters to know if the background to all this shows you as toxic or your wealthy sibling. I would suggest you speak to. A neutral family member (cousin ?) for advice on next steps. I would want it registered at least with your mum that her behaviour is incredibly unfair.

One comment I would make however is that the way your present your poorer sibling as the forever student does sound quite mean and judgemental. Might be worth reflecting on whether you've got that dynamic right or not.

Good luck

But they don't have to treat them equally.
They're no longer children and as adults they will have their own unique relationships with them that should now be based on mutual care instead of the one way take that parent/child relationtionships are.

BananaSpanner · 22/08/2024 21:48

I feel for you OP, I really do, it’s very hurtful but I think you’re giving your other family members a free pass by just blaming sibling 2. It may have been their suggestion but the others have all gone along with it, including the parent hence the money.

Honestly, I’d have some pride, decline the money, and put some space between you all.

MilkGate · 22/08/2024 21:46

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 15:09

Then in my view you shouldn't have big family holidays if you can't include everyone! It's just plain nasty otherwise

I don't understand why you would have wanted to go on a big holiday with someone you don't like or get on with. I would happily forego that nonsense.

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:45

@BowlOfNoodles none of the siblings do anything in particular for parents. Neither need anything at present both are at or close to retirement age but still working full time. So no care needs yet.
None of us live particularly close to parents all well over an hour away from them.

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WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 22/08/2024 21:44

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 18:30

I don't need to go on holiday to get sea air I live on the coast!
A holiday would cost far more than £500 with travel and other costs plus loss of earnings whilst away. I don't have holiday pay!

So no £500 is nowhere near enough

Of course £500 is enough for a holiday! Am off to Bulgaria next month - £450 for 10 days. All inclusive and includes transfers.

Not sure why you are saying about not being paid, as going away with your family you would have the same problem of not being paid. I dont get paid as SEmployed, so either do or don't take a holiday - up to you.

But despite that - YANBU at all. Just plain nasty to not include you.

Why are they all dancing to one person's tune?

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:42

@DoreenonTill8 they have had this level of control since childhood.
The consequences of not giving in to them were meltdowns, refusing to eat and generally making life pretty damn miserable. So they were given into. Still are.
Parents are well aware sibling 2 does not need them for anything. They know that sibling 2 could (and would) just cut them off completely.

Myself and sibling 3 are far more laid back.

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Mrsttcno1 · 22/08/2024 21:41

DoreenonTill8 · 22/08/2024 21:35

Why does this 1 person seem to have so much control over everyone?

The reality is they don’t, as a family they’ve decided to go away and decided who they all want to go with. Unfortunately OP wasn’t on the guest list and while that’s disappointing for OP it’s one of those things.

Rumplestrumpet · 22/08/2024 21:37

My god posters are being awful to you OP. Of course parents don't "have to" invite you on holiday, but they really should treat their children fairly and your mum's not doing this.

If this was about your poor behaviour and your family were totally reasonable then you'd be able to discuss it with them respectfully and explain how upsetting it was for you. The fact you say this would blow it all up and possibly lead to mum cancelling it and blaming you suggests they're not being reasonable.

You are coming across angry, but it's impossible for posters to know if the background to all this shows you as toxic or your wealthy sibling. I would suggest you speak to. A neutral family member (cousin ?) for advice on next steps. I would want it registered at least with your mum that her behaviour is incredibly unfair.

One comment I would make however is that the way your present your poorer sibling as the forever student does sound quite mean and judgemental. Might be worth reflecting on whether you've got that dynamic right or not.

Good luck

BowlOfNoodles · 22/08/2024 21:35

GrumpyPanda · 22/08/2024 21:32

And yet they're giving 3000 to the younger sibling for this holiday. Deeds speak louder than words. Personally I'd be inclined to tell them where to stick their 500, but OP may not be in a position to easily do that. Either way, the parent's behaved in a truly shitty way.

We've no idea what each sibling is doing for the parents disclosed or not. I use to do my grandads shopping/cleaning and cooking 3x a week I was given the most money at Christmas nobody else did anything 🤷‍♀️

DoreenonTill8 · 22/08/2024 21:35

Mrsttcno1 · 22/08/2024 21:23

Nobody has fought them on this or pushed for your invite OP- which means they are all in agreement.

Why does this 1 person seem to have so much control over everyone?

GrumpyPanda · 22/08/2024 21:32

BowlOfNoodles · 22/08/2024 19:25

They don't have to give anybody anything lol

And yet they're giving 3000 to the younger sibling for this holiday. Deeds speak louder than words. Personally I'd be inclined to tell them where to stick their 500, but OP may not be in a position to easily do that. Either way, the parent's behaved in a truly shitty way.

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 22/08/2024 21:27

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:09

@HamHands if you actually read the thread you will realise that it's one person out of 5 who has unilaterally decided I'm not welcome. Not the other 4.

And if those 4 said no that 1 would be overruled.

Mrsttcno1 · 22/08/2024 21:23

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:09

@HamHands if you actually read the thread you will realise that it's one person out of 5 who has unilaterally decided I'm not welcome. Not the other 4.

Nobody has fought them on this or pushed for your invite OP- which means they are all in agreement.

Nsky62 · 22/08/2024 21:20

I’m sorry this has happened, if you were given the £500 would you have a weekend break?
Seems some family is not wanting you around

notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 21:09

HamHands · 22/08/2024 20:54

I would say that the fact three people in your family do not want to go on holiday with you is very telling and that there is more to this story.

@HamHands if you actually read the thread you will realise that it's one person out of 5 who has unilaterally decided I'm not welcome. Not the other 4.

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BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 22/08/2024 21:03

My mum recently went on holiday with my sister. They have a closer bond than I do as sis is there for her a lot (and also has no children) whereas I have ND DC.
Was I jealous? Yes, a little but I knew that was unreasonable, given the situation.
I couldn't have gone/Mum isn't close to her gc (she'd say that was my fault but there are extenuating circumstances). Certainly, any break with me wouldn't be the break she wanted so the bigger me thinks I should be indebted to my sibling for being there for our mum, not envious of their relationship.
As it stands, she has always made it clear she is closer to that sibling. It is how it turned out. They never left the home town.
I have accepted I am neither of my divorced parents' "favourite".
I know they love me in their own way.
I can't change it.
What I can do is decide how affected I'll let myself be by it and, as a pp said upthread, I don't feel as much guilt for not being able to support them when I have been unsupported for much of my life (and atm I am unable to because of my own caring responsibilities).
To what do we owe each other?
Each will have their own story, backstory, wants and needs.
All you can do is try to be the best person you can be and be kind to yourself, and true to yourself.
I am excluded myself from one part of the family's events and no one has ever said how unfair or unkind that is. It is what it is and accepted by all. Therefore I don't pay it any mind anymore - if I'm unwanted, I have to think it's their loss.
I could mope or moan or give myself a hard time for being thought less of or being the "problem child" (and self-awareness does mean I know their view will invariably differ from my own) but there's zero point doing that to myself.

HamHands · 22/08/2024 20:54

I would say that the fact three people in your family do not want to go on holiday with you is very telling and that there is more to this story.

DoreenonTill8 · 22/08/2024 20:37

TransformerZ · 22/08/2024 20:12

Your mum has caused these issues in childhood. Playing her kids off one another.
She licks sibling 2's ass - she wants to be her lap dog and this is the kid she has always favoured, I'm guessing you're female and sibling 2 is female also. Sibling 2 female does not like you. Maybe you're prettier. Or she thinks she's better as she has a better job, whatever. Sibling 3 is a male? That's why he gets invited and paid for.
Say nothing to them - don't give them the satisfaction.
Cut them out quietly.
You don't need these people, they'll bring you down.
Better yourself with education, courses, get a better job, for you not for them.

Edited

Are you possibly reading too deeply into things?! Op has said I get on well with their spouse, my other sibling and their partner and my parent.

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