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Excluded from family holiday

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notanothernamechange24 · 22/08/2024 14:14

Name changed in case this is identifying

3 adult siblings.
1 single with low paid job, no degree due to ADHD and some mental health issues in late teens.
2 Married, both on high incomes.
3 making career out of being in education, has low income but in a relationship and therefore splits costs with partner.

No children yet.

Siblings 2 and 3 and 1 parent along with siblings partners have booked a holiday together next year. Parent is paying for sibling 3 and their partner to go.

Sibling 1 not invited. Not told about it until it was booked and was told by parent that they should be ok with it. No option for them to join.

Sibling 1 not had a holiday for over 13 years. Offered some money instead of which 50% they can use for a holiday the other 50% parent wants to keep as 'savings' in case they need it in years to come.

Narrative about sibling 1 is that they are bad with money. In reality they live hand to mouth and do their best but money only goes so far.

Relationship between siblings 1 & 2 is strained but not due to lack of effort on siblings 1 part.

It's probably obvious which sibling I am.

Aibu to be really hurt? What would you do if you were sibling 1? Walk away? Say nothing and just accept it? Make it known im not happy with it and potentially cause a huge row?

OP posts:
Purplemoon123 · 24/08/2024 09:14

Are you the oldest child?

I’ve got an older sibling with ASD and ADHD, and as much as I love them, I couldn’t ever ever go on holiday with them, because they’re always so volatile. Every time they go anywhere, they come back and have a moan about something going wrong and that it’s everyone’s else fault. If I said maybe it might be them, I think they’d write me an essay on how I’m in the wrong, pick out all my flaws and become resentful.

My parents go on holiday with them, but they have never invited me. I’d suspect they have ASD/ADHD too.

If I’m totally honest, I’m fine with that. No problems at all. I had too many things ruined/spoiled growing up because of meltdowns.

I would say I have ADHD so I do get some things - but I am also very laidback and like to just have a peaceful time if I’m going away. I’ve always been independent.

I’d take the money and run, but this isn’t about the money, it’s about the rejection. However, I would work on maybe ways of managing your finances better - put this energy into finding a career or a job that you’ll be fulfilled and find money, then you’ll be able to go on holidays. It is doable to have ADHD and learn to be good with money.

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 23:24

YOYOK · 23/08/2024 23:19

It’s a great word, one I don’t often use but I really should! It’s not too negative. It sums up the OP’s description and I do really feel for her because you can find yourself in a nuisance of a situation without being a nuisance yourself.

Most definitely! Even finding ya keys can be a nuisance 😂

YOYOK · 23/08/2024 23:19

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 23:17

Yes even a situation can be a nuisance it's a versatile word 😂

It’s a great word, one I don’t often use but I really should! It’s not too negative. It sums up the OP’s description and I do really feel for her because you can find yourself in a nuisance of a situation without being a nuisance yourself.

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 23:19

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 23:00

Yes I can see that. On balance I think they are at ease with themselves just for offering it though.

I'd say hoooooow dare you offer me £500 for a few donkey 🫏 rides in Blackpool stick it darling and then I'd give them a cheeky little block 🚫 lol

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 23:17

YOYOK · 23/08/2024 23:14

Clashing siblings create a nuisance. While I don’t see that the OP is a nuisance or a problem, if the dynamics between her and 1 sibling are off, it is going to create a difficult environment. I cannot imagine the OP would enjoy a holiday.
That said, if I was the parent, I just wouldn’t holiday with 2 of my 3 children. I’d maybe take 1 at a time and just try not to highlight the fact that the dynamics don’t work as a whole family. Even if a child is a “problem”, I wouldn’t want them to feel like it.

Yes even a situation can be a nuisance it's a versatile word 😂

YOYOK · 23/08/2024 23:14

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:24

But we don’t know op is a nuisance. There’s lots of reasons people don’t want people present. There is another thread where the op is trying to exclude her nephew from a trip and many posters suspect it’s about jealousy that her DB is getting it paid for as well as that the parents wont just come with her Dc as the sole attraction. Families have complicated dynamics.

Clashing siblings create a nuisance. While I don’t see that the OP is a nuisance or a problem, if the dynamics between her and 1 sibling are off, it is going to create a difficult environment. I cannot imagine the OP would enjoy a holiday.
That said, if I was the parent, I just wouldn’t holiday with 2 of my 3 children. I’d maybe take 1 at a time and just try not to highlight the fact that the dynamics don’t work as a whole family. Even if a child is a “problem”, I wouldn’t want them to feel like it.

YOYOK · 23/08/2024 23:11

Family dynamics are complicated. I can see why you’re hurt. That said, would you even want to go on holiday with them? It sounds like a bloody punishment!
I think parent was trying to be fair by offering you money. It is really unfortunate that it doesn’t cover a holiday as you don’t get paid leave. I would absolutely take the money and use it for whatever benefits you the most.

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 23:00

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:52

But they can throw the whole BUT I paid for a holiday for you at her fuck your money says you've really hurt me.

Yes I can see that. On balance I think they are at ease with themselves just for offering it though.

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:54

Claloulat · 23/08/2024 22:52

I'd text her to keep her money and enjoy her big family holiday. Then I'd block her and siblings and ghost them. I wouldn't speak to them again.

I appreciate that's an extreme response though. I totally understand why you would be hurt OP. Its not about the money or the holiday. It's about being excluded and unwanted.

Yeah I wouid say bury that money where the sun 🌞 don't shine!

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:52

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:50

I’d definitely take it😀

But they can throw the whole BUT I paid for a holiday for you at her fuck your money says you've really hurt me.

Claloulat · 23/08/2024 22:52

I'd text her to keep her money and enjoy her big family holiday. Then I'd block her and siblings and ghost them. I wouldn't speak to them again.

I appreciate that's an extreme response though. I totally understand why you would be hurt OP. Its not about the money or the holiday. It's about being excluded and unwanted.

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:50

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:48

Resentment can grow from nuisance situations lol regardless of all this if somebody didn't want me on their holiday I'd switch to radio silence and I'd decline the guilt money!

I’d definitely take it😀

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:48

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:44

There can be issues like resentment, guilt, jealousy that are all complicated in families.

Resentment can grow from nuisance situations lol regardless of all this if somebody didn't want me on their holiday I'd switch to radio silence and I'd decline the guilt money!

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:44

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:30

My first language isn't English btw but I'd say I'd they was delighted by op's company they wouid invite her if not there was a nuisance incident/incompatibility issue/ that they found to be problematic/a nuisance

There can be issues like resentment, guilt, jealousy that are all complicated in families.

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:30

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:24

But we don’t know op is a nuisance. There’s lots of reasons people don’t want people present. There is another thread where the op is trying to exclude her nephew from a trip and many posters suspect it’s about jealousy that her DB is getting it paid for as well as that the parents wont just come with her Dc as the sole attraction. Families have complicated dynamics.

My first language isn't English btw but I'd say I'd they was delighted by op's company they wouid invite her if not there was a nuisance incident/incompatibility issue/ that they found to be problematic/a nuisance

Nadeed · 23/08/2024 22:28

@Calliopespa excluding a nephew is very different from excluding your own child.

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:24

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:20

It's a fair question tho! I'd rather wipe with a cactus 🌵 than invite my brother on a holiday with me ( love him btw enjoy lunch together ) but no way with a pay good money to holiday with him because he's a nuisance

But we don’t know op is a nuisance. There’s lots of reasons people don’t want people present. There is another thread where the op is trying to exclude her nephew from a trip and many posters suspect it’s about jealousy that her DB is getting it paid for as well as that the parents wont just come with her Dc as the sole attraction. Families have complicated dynamics.

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 22:20

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:13

Rude. 😛

It's a fair question tho! I'd rather wipe with a cactus 🌵 than invite my brother on a holiday with me ( love him btw enjoy lunch together ) but no way with a pay good money to holiday with him because he's a nuisance

Calliopespa · 23/08/2024 22:13

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 18:12

If she's a nuisance why on earth ruin everybody's holiday?

Rude. 😛

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 23/08/2024 22:11

Surely you discuss it before with them so they know the rationale. Why let them find out they haven’t been invited and put them through hurt. Even if it’s their ‘fault’. Sometimes it is not what is done but how it is done that is important.

The Op hasn't mentioned how the holiday was presented.
Given they are all adults with their own lives outside "the family" its important to remember some families aren't invested as others.

It may have been Sibling 2s idea. As the only other adults in the situation aside from the mum, who can both afford the cost and time of a holiday it's not unreasonable they decide the terms. The siblings that are expecting others to subsidise them have to go along with it. Maybe it was't actually meant to be a family holiday but a chance to get the couple together and mum got an invite out of kindness ?

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 21:56

notanothernamechange24 · 23/08/2024 21:53

@BowlOfNoodles actually I haven't had time to read many replies yet. I've had a busy day and not had time to Mumsnet. I will read them and reply when I do

You've had some constructive criticism and ideas 💡 that you don't seem to appreciate becausg you've first looked to find fault!

notanothernamechange24 · 23/08/2024 21:53

@BowlOfNoodles actually I haven't had time to read many replies yet. I've had a busy day and not had time to Mumsnet. I will read them and reply when I do

OP posts:
notanothernamechange24 · 23/08/2024 21:50

@Bumpitybumper I'm not defensive I'm highly amused!

OP posts:
BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 21:47

Bumpitybumper · 23/08/2024 21:45

If you have post on AIBU then you are literally inviting opinion. You can't then get angry when people disagree with you of 'judge' you. Did you think that only people that thought you were not being unreasonable would post? It is interesting how even in this scenario, you are very eager to paint yourself as a victim. I have never called you a freeloader or even insinuated it and yet you react as though I have. If you behave like this with your family then I can see why they find it very difficult to explain to you the rationale behind their actions.

Aldo skips over anything polite/sympathetic and goes into defensive mode a total vacuum of joy I can grasp that even on here!

BowlOfNoodles · 23/08/2024 21:45

notanothernamechange24 · 23/08/2024 21:43

@BowlOfNoodles how many times do you have to be told that no I don't have rude traits of ADHD!
And no being insulted by your really rude pressing if the point is not proof otherwise!

There are lots of ways ADHD presents and everyone is different.

As I said you may not know! Ask an genuine friend if they've ever perceived you being blunt. Good night lol

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