To be so fucking angry. How many more women and children must die?

The truth they dare not utter

@OlympicProcrastinator That story is really upsetting me. I am so sympathetic to this woman, but her statement is saying he was depressed but was a wonderful father. I had to bite my tongue when the men in my family were talking about how mentally disturbed the man in Stockport must be. Funny how this sort of violence seems to almost only ever happen to depressed, mentally unstable men.

The ven diagram of people who are super depressed and struggling and people who are terrible, harmful parents overlaps a lot when it comes to men. Funny that.

If the reports about scrapping single person council tax discount are true, that will very likely contribute towards the increase in VAWG. It's already hard for DV victims to survive financially if they leave due to the lack of social housing, unaffordable private rents, and punitive benefits system. Add in higher council tax (already costly) and no wonder many women can't leave.

It's all very well complaining about violent abusive men and saying they need to stop, but that won't stop VAWG. Nothing will ever completely stop it but practical and financial support would significantly reduce it.

And the NAMALT has started up again.

I wonder what group of people creates the market for trafficked women and children? …

40% of traffickers are apparently female nowadays according to recent statistics.

A link from the article above...

Nanny imprisoned and forced to perform sex acts before her death - as female 'pimp' posted TikToks dancing with victim

Police arrested her employer, Camila da Silva, in connection to the death on Wednesday, saying Martins may have been beaten and tortured.

The young woman was hired a year ago to take care of da Silva's daughter.

'She was lured into a life of partying and drinking, but then Camila started forcing her to stay there,' Civil Police Chief Marília Campello said, according to the Brazilian news outlet G1. 'She wouldn't let her go out, even though she wanted to and she was sexually exploited.'

'She said she would call the drug traffickers to break Geovana's leg, threatening to make it "happen,"' Campello said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13797847/nanny-imprisoned-forced-perform-sex-acts-death-female-pimp-posted-tiktok-dancing-victim.html?ico=related-replace

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13808747/mother-tragedy-boys-dead-father-murder-suicide-depressed.html

Here we go again. Another family annihilator.

I just read an article about the trial in France of the man who recruited over 50 men online to rape his wife whilst she was heavily sedated. I really wish I hadn’t. His poor daughter (also abused) collapsed in court. There are 50 men due to be sentenced but at least another 70 men the police have been unable to bring to trial.

120 men raped/abused this woman. I do wish the “women are just as bad as men” brigade would just fuck off and take the NAMALT handmaidens along with them.

Yes not all men but far too many. Either directly complicit or willing to stand by and watch it happen.

And another horrific case: Olympic marathon runner Rebecca Cheptegei ‘set on fire by boyfriend’ (thetimes.com)

But some women know that their male family members would never harm a woman.

The "not all men" comments might be useful if you could order certified non-violent ones.

How long until the but not all men comments start.

Abusive men do seem to love to strangle/choke us. It's symbolic of shutting us up so we can't speak the truth about them.

I wondered what s/he was talking about with that one. I'm very familiar with FOAD, but ODFOD is fairly new to me. FOAD seems not to be used much on MN.

You denied that people attacked the OP.

Absolutely false. A simple scroll back proves this. I stated that I saw one attacker (the person who said "fuck off" etc.) but was unsure who else you were talking about, because you were not specific. You have refused to give either the names or the content of the alleged attacks.

You ignored these and doubled down on the assertion that they weren't made by forum regulars

Also false. Made no such assertion. Only asked for evidence. I have no idea who you're talking about, because you have not named anyone. How you can fail to grasp that is beyond me. If you had just named attackers and provided the content of attacks we wouldn't be arguing about this nonsense. Yet you haven't. What else is one to conclude but that it didn't happen the way you say?

so I posted several quotes from an independent poster stating that they were. A feminist highly respected on here and holding much more credibility than either of us.

You can't really use somebody else's opinion to back up a claim of fact. The poster you refer to did not state there were multiple attacks nor name any attackers, anyway. She seemed to be reacting to the singular "fuck off" poster. Your standard for objective evidence is.... interesting, wots.

Perhaps it is best that you should disengage. You've obviously lost your composure, complete with fake loling, which has the sound of desperation to it. Why so defensive? It's really not that deep. I just wanted to know if there were nasty regulars on the feminist threads so I could avoid them. All you had to do was name them, but you couldn't. I can only conclude that is because the allegation about multiple "feminist section" attackers is a self-serving exaggeration.

You've said you were leaving the thread before, but came back to post the same tired whataboutery, so perhaps you can understand that it's hard for me to buy that you'll stop.
Given that you are so upset, do you wish me to stop responding to you? If so, then of course I will be happy to comply.

I have never been leered at as a child by a woman.
I have never been sexually assaulted as a child by a woman.
I have never been raped as a child by a woman.
I have never been raped as an adult by a woman.
I have never been beaten black and blue in my own home by a woman.
It wasn't a woman strangling me in my sleep.
So yes, if it's all the same to you I will continue to have concern about men in women's spaces and will probably never trust another man again.
Things will not change until men that are not committing offences against women and children rise up to support us against those that are.

ODFOD does not mean fuck off and die, dear me. That is an outright lie.

The acronym stands for: Oh do fuck off, dear.

As a mere observer, I would have thought that quotes from said "forum regulars" criticising the OP would have been a more logical, and more convincing, demonstration of your point. What do I know, though?

OK, this is the last time I engage with you as frankly I've provided more than enough evidence to back up my claims.

You'll no doubt keep denying it but I'm pretty confident that most other readers will recognise the validity of the excerpts I've posted.

You denied that people attacked the OP. Knowing that you'd attempt to discredit any of my claims, I posted loads of comments from impartial posters. Comments that were made long before this argument between you and I. Comments that clearly state that people were attacking the OP.

You ignored these and doubled down on the assertion that they weren't made by forum regulars, so I posted several quotes from an independent poster stating that they were. A feminist highly respected on here and holding much more credibility than either of us.

I'm out. I'd suggest you stop embarrassing yourself lol.

That is a lie, wots. I was clear about what I was asking of you.
You've only established what I acknowledged right off the bat, that there were personal attacks from one person. I do not know if there were others which were deleted. You have not proven there were. Instead, you posted people's reactions, which is a joke.
Good of you to finally admit you can't prove your claim though.

Why take my word for it. Look what the respected feminist Jennifer James says on the matter. In the very same thread.

'Mumsnet has a problem with those five or six members here who are so very rude and unwelcoming to new posters. And it seems to always be the same people.'

'Pro tip for everyone: if you ever want to find out who the abusive posters are on any forum, the ones who think they're top dog and have the right to police everyone else....just complain about the abuse without naming them. They know who they are. watch them defend it. one. at. a. time.'

Lol, so now you try and nitpick and move the goalposts. The three worst offenders were indeed forum regulars. I've argued with them multiple times on topics similar to this. Most of the posters disagreeing with them I didn't recognise.

However, without linking dozens of previous threads they've posted on it's kinda hard to prove. But anybody who's been here a few years will recognise them.

You asked for evidence of 'multiple people attacking the OP' and I've provided ample evidence. Are you going to keep avoiding acknowledging this?

Nope, that dodge is not going to work, wots.
I see criticism there. Of course. That's not what you alleged. I see one personal attacker, possibly more, because of deletions it's hard to say.
I see zero evidence any attacker was a "feminist section regular."

Don't waste my time with more evasion. Since you can't prove your allegation, the decent thing to do would be to admit you have no idea if any of those posters were regulars of any "section." Or don't, because it's your character that takes the hit. Up to you.

So, you've accused me of making 'wild accusations' and claimed 'you cannot support your accusations because it didn't happen'.

So what do you make of the many direct quotes I've posted from the linked thread? Are all those posters lying?

Funny that they can all see the vitriol being aimed at the OP yet you can't? 🤔