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TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 09:22

I am posting in AIBU for traffic and posting on behalf of my sister, as I need to help her against her dickhead ex husband. I know that there will be some people on here that are more rationale and subsequent than I certainly feel

My Dsis has a 18 year ND (ADHS,ASD, AD, OCD) DD who is staying on at college, so will be 19 when she finishes college and is entitled to still get child maintenance.

DS ex husband is now asking for a breakdown of all costs for DN, as he is self employed and said that he will show that he has no earnings he is a (Prince of a man) if she goes to CMS. He has paid the minimum for years and she struggled and done all the leg work, he only sees my DN once a year.

What should we include in this breakdown- help

OP posts:
socks1107 · 21/08/2024 13:17

I would contact cms. These men are a disgrace.
Do not give him any breakdown. He's not entitled to it

dcsp · 21/08/2024 13:09

Harrumphhhh · 21/08/2024 10:10

Dear Dickhead,
It won’t help for me to send a breakdown of costs as you are not expected to pay 50% of [DD]’s upkeep. This would be significantly more than you currently provide. Instead, you need to continue to pay a percentage of your income, in accordance with CMS rules. As you know, these are worked out from HMRC records, using a standard formula.
I hope that clarifies things,
Spoony’s Sister

This!

Or at least this unless there's a good reason to do something different.

Ohfuckwhatdoidonow · 21/08/2024 12:52

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 09:47

He has said that he will not be paying anything now DN is 18, unless my DSIS gives him a breakdown of what she spends. He is willing to pay half the phone bill and nothing else.

He is controlling and this is his final controlling act, and he knows it will hurt my DSIS.

Edited

There are 2 ways of dealing with this,
To say, ah your last act of vengeance I see, using DD as a pawn no less. Well you haven't met half of her costs...ever! So how about you leave it and do as you want to. Pay 0.

Then he has nothing to try and hold over her, no control.

Or

She can write an exhaustive list, and have the satisfaction of him knowing what needs are met for DD.

Bit in honesty he's likely to not do anything.

It's shit and it's not right. I'm sorry

Spotlightt · 21/08/2024 12:44

I wouldn't be saying 25% of anything. Why should he pay 25% of the rent or electric when it's a house he doesn't live in? If the rent is £500 it's £500 whether she's there or not. If the utilities are £200, but would be £160 if she wasn't there, then the fair thing would be to ask for 50% of the difference. So 50% of £40. You couldn't just say £200 utilities, I'll pay £100 plus £50 and you pay £50. That means he's contributing to YOUR life as well as his daughters.

Genevieva · 21/08/2024 12:14

Give a total figure without a breakdown. Just say this covers all her educational materials, travel costs, sanitary products, hair cuts, clothes, food etc. Point out that it has always been far in excess of any contribution he has made through CMS and does not account for loss of earnings by being the primary carer for a child with SEN.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 12:08

Arthurnewyorkcity · 21/08/2024 11:37

I agree with previous posters and wouldn't advise supplying BUT realistically if your sister is going to get zero anyway, she may as well try.
Your sister should pay her own half of bills, dad responsible for 50% of dn so

25% of mortgage/rent
25% water
25% food etc

Does your niece get dla or pip or whatever it is at 18 to support access in community? If there's more to be paid above that, then more of that

A normal 18 year old I wouldn't assign a clothes budget but if she's disabled to the extent she wouldn't ever be able to shop independently or work then 25% of that too

Does she need anything specialist above and beyond? Certain shampoos etc? How does she get to college? Petrol? Bus pass?

I'd list everything can think of and if he starts picking it apart then just quietly live life without his pathetic contributions. He shouldn't get away with not providing but he likely will.

A normal Wow.

DN does not work, so clothing has not come from DSIS.

PIP is waiting on appeal.

OP posts:
Harrumphhhh · 21/08/2024 12:00

If she really must go down the financial break down route, could she start by sending a list without costs?

accommodation
electric
gas
water
council tax
clothes
toiletries
cleaning products
sanitary products
etc etc

Make it a really long, detailed list (to emphasise just how many costs there are) without itemising prices (because he will quibble over them anyway).

Spotlightt · 21/08/2024 11:54

A normal 18 year old I wouldn't assign a clothes budget but if she's disabled...

🤯 "normal"

I know it won't have been posted with the intention of offending, but disabled people are normal too.

Arthurnewyorkcity · 21/08/2024 11:37

I agree with previous posters and wouldn't advise supplying BUT realistically if your sister is going to get zero anyway, she may as well try.
Your sister should pay her own half of bills, dad responsible for 50% of dn so

25% of mortgage/rent
25% water
25% food etc

Does your niece get dla or pip or whatever it is at 18 to support access in community? If there's more to be paid above that, then more of that

A normal 18 year old I wouldn't assign a clothes budget but if she's disabled to the extent she wouldn't ever be able to shop independently or work then 25% of that too

Does she need anything specialist above and beyond? Certain shampoos etc? How does she get to college? Petrol? Bus pass?

I'd list everything can think of and if he starts picking it apart then just quietly live life without his pathetic contributions. He shouldn't get away with not providing but he likely will.

Spotlightt · 21/08/2024 11:33

I'd personally put:

Food
Travel
Mobile
Clothing
Appointment expenses
Days out
Pocket money

I wouldn't start putting bills and rent he will just pick it apart. Plus does having an 18 year old in the house cost much more than not having an 18 year old in the house? I have 2 teens and without them here I'd still be paying all my bills. I'm sure they'd go down a little but probably not too noticeable. This is how he will look at it. Because he's a deadbeat.

OhmygodDont · 21/08/2024 11:31

Thing is no matter what she decides to include he can decide doesn’t matter when you’re just doing a private arrangement.

You could put in water/gas:electric and rent and he will go but you’d pay that anyway so no.

You could include hair cuts and he could decide he knows somewhere cheaper so would only chip in a fiver.

Get her to list everything if that’s what she wants, but do so knowing he won’t agree. So when he then goes no only this much she can “agree” he feels he won and she gets something 🤷🏻‍♀️

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 11:25

Spotlightt · 21/08/2024 11:21

I think you just want people to agree with you. He shouldn't get away with anything, but how are you going to make him pay for the next 12 months? You're not really are you? Deadbeats like him get to get away with it.

I do not want people to agree with me.

I would advice on what can be included, as my DSIS is a walkover, she is the one that has taken my DN to all her appointments, not had a great career as she has been dealing with DN issues.

Does DSIS put a percentage of her utility bills, food costs.

DSIS is happy to stick to what he is paying now that hardly covers anything but her dickhead ex is stopping that.

OP posts:
Spotlightt · 21/08/2024 11:21

I think you just want people to agree with you. He shouldn't get away with anything, but how are you going to make him pay for the next 12 months? You're not really are you? Deadbeats like him get to get away with it.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 11:19

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 11:16

Yes but still an adult.

Still classed as a child in the circumstances.

Please educate yourself.

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eggandchip · 21/08/2024 11:16

Notamum12345577 · 21/08/2024 11:10

Who is still in full time education

Yes but still an adult.

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 11:15

TheFormidableMrsC · 21/08/2024 11:05

Oh do one. Do you have a disabled dependent? The father should be paying to support.

Im childless i didnt want drama in my life.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/08/2024 11:15

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 10:44

The child is now an adult.
Its all about money on mumsnett.

The child still receives child benefit, as she is in full time non advanced education.

Its about supporting your child, that you are legally bound to do, if my DN was at Uni her Dickhead father would not have to support her.

Why should someone get away with not paying for their own child, not to mention a disabled child. FFS

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SauvignonBlonk · 21/08/2024 11:14

I can sympathise with this situation.
Trying to argue with an idiot is impossible and a complete waste of time and energy.

I’d respond once. Get her to look at her bank statements and list all the costs on there. Rent/mortgage, utilities etc.

I'd definitely make an application with the CMS. Whatever you tell him he will argue about so let them deal with his arseholery.

My ex listed beauty treatments at £20 per month….when DD was 4 years old. That’s the level of lunatic I have to deal with!

Notamum12345577 · 21/08/2024 11:10

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 10:44

The child is now an adult.
Its all about money on mumsnett.

Who is still in full time education

FatmanandKnobbin · 21/08/2024 11:07

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 10:44

The child is now an adult.
Its all about money on mumsnett.

Weird how people say this about the Mum, but never the deadbeat dad who's trying to avoid paying the minimum legal obligation he has towards his child.

TheFormidableMrsC · 21/08/2024 11:05

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 10:44

The child is now an adult.
Its all about money on mumsnett.

Oh do one. Do you have a disabled dependent? The father should be paying to support.

TheFormidableMrsC · 21/08/2024 11:05

I have been down this road. It's shit. My own view is whatever breakdown she gives, he will want a breakdown of breakdowns or "receipts as proof" and then he will find a reason why they're not proof. She is not going to win this one. I'd report him immediately to HMRC and if she has the "I'll take cash in hand" message, I'd give them that too. I'd go through CMS, just for sheer amount of hassle it'll give him. They will go by last year's calculations anyway so if he's submitted a tax return then tough. I fucking hated men 🤬

eggandchip · 21/08/2024 10:44

The child is now an adult.
Its all about money on mumsnett.

RhaenysRocks · 21/08/2024 10:23

Ok, there's what should happen via CMS and then there's dealing with the situation you have. If your sis wants to go that route then I would include
Food
A portion of the utilities
Travel to college
Travel to medical appointments
Additional costs for ND related equipment or treatment
Phone bill
Any other tech costs eg laptop
Clothes
Toiletries
Any hobby costs
Allowance

OhmygodDont · 21/08/2024 10:19

I mean there’s two options isn’t there.

Give him the details
Don’t give him the details - go via cms

Sounds like either way however she won’t be getting the money.

Its a shit system than not resident parent abuse.

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