That LGBTYS (LGBT Youth) should be removed from schools and investigated asap?

Do you know, I had never heard the term 'dysphoria' until a few years ago. Makes you wonder.

A trans person has a body which is incongruent with their sex, which means society treats them in a manner incongruent with their sex

Please explain how a person's body, a feature of which is its sex, can be incongruent with the person's sex, which is determined by what the person's body is like.

Shouldn't everybody be treated the same by society?

What I find frustrating is that clearly LGBTQ Youth Scotland is doing huge damage in schools and to individual students, the organisation is surely deeply discredited yet no-one in any position of authority is lifting a finger to change things. It's like Mridul Wadhwa still being employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis centre. Why isn't anyone talking action?

A non hate crime incident is one that sits on your police record. It will come up with any check that is done.

It will impact anyone who needs police checks as part of their role. Any one who disagrees with using their abusers demanded language is at risk of losing their livelihood if they need that check done.

It is the chilling effect of this that is concerning. It shows just how coercive the language usage has become.

India Willoughby has shared part of a letter on Twitter. It could relate to something else though as JKR is not named in the section that has been shared.

Ooops, cross posts.

So I’m not sure exactly what a non crime hate incident is. Or indeed, what the potential repercussions are…

But it does relate to the following

For the purposes of the code, a ‘particular characteristic’ means race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity

Notice how just your sex isn’t included as a characteristic?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/india-willoughby-s-jk-rowling-complaint-did-not-meet-criminal-threshold-police-say/ar-BB1jAclq?ocid=sk216dhp

I have just read this, they’re saying it didn’t meet the criminal threshold, thankfully. Although I’m not sure what you have seen @Helleofabore ?

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1825573057513103572

According this tweet, it is true and I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

This is scary if true.

If you use my example above of someone with NPD, surely you could also be charged if you told that person that they aren’t special. Their ’condition’ makes them believe they are. So we are now in the realm of not playing along with someone’s fantasy can get you charged.

Or… what if I told someone with an eating disorder that they looked underweight?
Where does it end?

Speaking of language. The latest news that India Willoughby has been successful (this is news published by Willoughby) in having a Non Hate Crime Incident registered to JK Rowling for using the descriptor 'man' for Willoughby will be significant if true.

Willoughby has a long history of abuse directed towards JK Rowling.

And Willoughby is now assisted by the police in further controlling JK Rowling's language around discussing male abuse towards women.

I wonder if the police thought this through? How they are now fully supportive of an abuser continuing to abuse the abuser's victim? While that abuser claims special privileges including victimhood.

DARVO in action. Supported by the Northumbria Police.

YANBU.

The more I read about all this stuff… the more I see pictures of men standing smiling on podiums with medals they’ve won after competing against female athletes, the more I feel like I am in a George Orwell Novel.

We’ve always been at war with Eurasia
War is Peace
Freedom is slavery
Men are women

Well, it never meant just female bodied people. It always included 'any person assigned female at birth' remember. Remember that term 'AFAB'.

See how it all unravels? Once you see it, it is very hard to miss.

What is really fucked, is that people insist on using this term while declaring that they are feminist! What feminist leaves female people without a unique identifier for the times when it matters? One that will always prioritise male people. I think since we are querying language, that we may as well point out that feminism has also now been changed to mean the opposite to what it was intended to mean.

here you go.

Thanks @Helleofabore - I'm strangely both irritated and relieved to have missed it!

So they invented a short hand - ‘cis’ female to describe a natal female, we said we didn’t want it because we already have ‘woman’ and they said “no, we took woman. You can have cis”

And then they took cis

Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder.

Along with, say, Narcissistic Personality Disorder

People with NPD are born as regular, normal people who develop a grandiose sense of self. They expect to be treated as though they are special, and if people treat them the same way as they treat people who aren’t special, it would also cause them great distress.

Do we, therefore, demand that the whole of society treat that individual as though they are better than everyone else? I.e. play along with the fantasy this individual has about themselves?

yes. I have seen this before. And sure, it hangs together but it again shines a huge spotlight on what has been demanded and gained by this group as additional rights that are not available to all in the UK.

And to which I say, excellent news. I would suggest it should then be treated in exactly the same way that elective body modifications are treated. ie. rarely, if ever, performed under NHS funding.

After all, I see myself quite differently to how society treats me and I don't get any option to make those changes under the NHS. Even though it causes me incredible emotional distress.

I've had it explained to me why gender dysphoria is no longer considered pathological/necessary for diagnosis, and yet the NHS should still provide drugs and surgery.

A trans person has a body which is incongruent with their sex, which means society treats them in a manner incongruent with their sex, which can be uncomfortable in the same way as it's uncomfortable for disabled people to live in a society designed around the able-bodied. Any discomfort experienced is not pathological, but a normal human response.

Being trans is just a state of being, not an illness, but drugs and surgery should be provided just as we provide treatment for pregnancy and menopause, which are also not illnesses.

Not saying whether I agree, but it hangs together, sort of.

So a lot of this would be covered in PSHE and schools have to contact parents outlining the content and allowing them to withdraw their children if they want, (but only up until the term before age 16). I'm a teacher, married to a PSHE lead teacher.

I think the post was within the last few pages.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5144263-jkr-being-uncharacteristically-quiet?page=1

here you go.

Here is another twist Errors.

The term 'cis' is now meaningless because it also now includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes, ie. a male person with a difference of sex development that have testes or testes tissue. Such as Caster Semenya.

Therefore, female people have no unique words that describe just those female people who have a body ^^formed around the production of large gametes.

Because 'girl' and 'woman' both now mean:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.

2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Cis = 1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **

and 3 Any person who has a female body^^

Trans = 2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Visualise as per this image.

Do you see the issue here? There is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is now shown to be meaningless. Yet we still get posters telling us we need to use it out of respect? Respect for which people? Because to me that demand looks like misogyny to me.