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Realstudd · 20/08/2024 14:59

despite a decent job and income, I am absolutely rubbish at anything financial. I don’t understand pensions etc.

i became a single parent last year and I have one dc, 9. I am 42. I have 3k in savings but these are used for car stuff or emergencies and never get beyond 3k.

i looked at my pension pot the other day and it says 2,400… I’ve been paying in for over 9 years, 8 percent of my salary. My salary has always been over 35k and for a few years has been over 50. I don’t get how the pot can be so low?

the only positive is I have 140k left on my mortgage which I overpay so could be paid off in 6 years. But what good is that really if I can’t afford the bills! I feel like an idiot for not having planned ahead, I guess I will lose my home and have to go into rented to pay bills when older? What do people do? I go from feeling insanely stressed about it to accepting that that’s just how it is but I can’t picture my future anymore. What do you do in this situation?

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Tiredalwaystired · 01/09/2024 22:13

MrsSunshine2b · 01/09/2024 19:22

Does this mean that your annual pension is:
Annual salary/54 x number of years worked for NHS?

Kind of. It’s 1/54th in each year. if you earned £30000 in 2023 you’d get 1/54th of that (adjustednfor inflation going forwards). If you earned £32000 in 2024 you’d earn 1/54th of that. Add together these amounts since you have worked for the NHS to get your total. You should be able to access your total rewards statement through ESR to get a current estimate.

DeclutteringNewbie · 01/09/2024 19:30

MrsSunshine2b · 01/09/2024 19:22

Does this mean that your annual pension is:
Annual salary/54 x number of years worked for NHS?

Sort of. It’s the salary for the year and it then gets updated for inflation.

So if you earn £27k per year, you get a £500 pension for that year (adjusted for inflation) when you retire. All the “years” get added together.

MrsSunshine2b · 01/09/2024 19:22

Tiredalwaystired · 01/09/2024 12:04

Sorry if someone has said this but your NHS pension is 1/54th of your annual salary you’ve earned each year for life. The money you pay in is largely irrelevant as you’re paying for a membership.

Does this mean that your annual pension is:
Annual salary/54 x number of years worked for NHS?

Tiredalwaystired · 01/09/2024 12:04

Mumto32022 · 20/08/2024 20:40

Mine says similar - nhs worker. I have only been paying in to this pension for 5 years but pay approx £370 a month into it.
so I’m assuming it is wrong to be honest! I’ve paid far more in to it then what’s on the quota plus what the nhs pay in to it doesn’t match up.

Sorry if someone has said this but your NHS pension is 1/54th of your annual salary you’ve earned each year for life. The money you pay in is largely irrelevant as you’re paying for a membership.

Woodstocks · 28/08/2024 10:09

Realstudd · 20/08/2024 15:02

@Janedoe82 but after paying in over 9 years how can it only be that? What was the point

You are reading it wrong. The pot is more than £2400. But the returns if will give you per year is £2400. I am in a very similar position to you, and the pension letters are very confusing but essentially it says that the pension pot would buy you a yearly income of £2400. It’s not much for sure but it will continue to grow until you actually retire.

MsMoneyPennie · 28/08/2024 09:41

LoveRosesClimbing · 22/08/2024 13:44

I’m confused by the advice to put more in pension and less in overpayments. Crazy interest rates (thanks Liz Truss!) are costing £000s more than people were budgeting for before that massive shit show.
surely getting your mortgage debt down asap is safer?

The tax advantages of pension contributions make paying into a pension rather than overpaying on a mortgage much more financially beneficial at almost any level of interest rates, but depending on what rate someone has on their mortgage, if they fixed 2 years ago, they could have really low interest rates on their mortgage and be better off putting money in a 5% savings account than paying off a mortgage where interest rates are less than 2%, even if they have to pay tax on the interest earned. But paying £800 as a lower rate tax payer or £600 as a higher rate tax payer into a pension is automatically £1k and interest on mortgages is not going to compete with that

Donsyb · 22/08/2024 17:01

Realstudd · 20/08/2024 15:06

@Snoopsteandcooper i have worked at 3 companies over this time. How can I trace them? God I feel stressed!

https://www.gov.uk/find-pension-contact-details

all you need is the nsame of your previous employer to find your pensions

Find pension contact details

Find the contact details for a pension provider by using the Pension Tracing Service

https://www.gov.uk/find-pension-contact-details

Donsyb · 22/08/2024 16:57

Realstudd · 20/08/2024 15:02

@Janedoe82 but after paying in over 9 years how can it only be that? What was the point

Get a review on your pension- depending on the type you can either move it to a better performing pension or a different fund within the same pension.

My DP paid a load of money into a virgin money pension for years and it was worthless, he finally got it reviewed and moved it to a much better one. I changed the fund my best pension was invested in to a better performing one.

some pension funds take high charges as well which come out of the money you have invested.

BettyBardMacDonald · 22/08/2024 14:11

LoveRosesClimbing · 22/08/2024 13:44

I’m confused by the advice to put more in pension and less in overpayments. Crazy interest rates (thanks Liz Truss!) are costing £000s more than people were budgeting for before that massive shit show.
surely getting your mortgage debt down asap is safer?

If you look over the long range of investment growth, the value of getting money into the market now may outweigh the mortgage interest rate.

That's the sort of thing a professional advisor can evaluate and calculate.

Dubuem · 22/08/2024 13:50

Who does the payroll at your workplace? Is there no one there or HR who could set your mind at rest. You should be getting a yearly forecast.

LoveRosesClimbing · 22/08/2024 13:44

I’m confused by the advice to put more in pension and less in overpayments. Crazy interest rates (thanks Liz Truss!) are costing £000s more than people were budgeting for before that massive shit show.
surely getting your mortgage debt down asap is safer?

BettyBardMacDonald · 22/08/2024 13:40

www.sofi.com/learn/content/can-investors-receive-compounding-returns/

Above is a primer on compounding stock market returns.

vickylou78 · 22/08/2024 13:20

Op get some financial advice about combining the three pensions. Also don't forget you'll also get state pension too.

VanGoghsDog · 22/08/2024 10:58

BettyBardMacDonald · 21/08/2024 13:11

@VanGoghsDog

You're getting mired in semantics. Most of us know that investment returns are not "interest" per se but in trying to explain to a beginner that gains compound as the years go on, it's a shortcut to use the simpler term.

Patronising.

Gains in investments do not compound. That's a fact.

usernamealreadytaken · 22/08/2024 08:41

Realstudd · 20/08/2024 20:09

@VanGoghsDog if it’s a year what is the point? 890 by then will be worth much less too? It’s going to make no real difference at all.

Thanks @Hollyhocksandlarkspur i might try and find someone as I have no idea what I am doing at all!

The current projection is based on the contributions you've paid to date, I assume only for a few years. You still have 25 years left to pay in, so your projected pension will increase every year with contributions and growth.

DeclutteringNewbie · 22/08/2024 07:10

Toptops · 21/08/2024 22:32

  1. Get a financial advisor. Someone has put up a link already, or get a personal recommendation. When you find 2 or 3 possibles, explain you are financially inexperienced and what exactly you are looking for from them. decide on whether they seem to understand your requirements and their price.
  2. I personally don't think 2400 is a skimpy monthly pension, if that's what it is. You'd have the state pension on top and be mortgage free by then. As other pp have said, you may be better putting some of the overpayment into your pension but be guided by your financial advisor.

It definitely won’t be £2,400 monthly. Pot would need to be nearly £600k for that.

Dibbydoos · 21/08/2024 23:52

You're 25+ years off retirement, so you've got time. And your biggest current asset, your home will be worth a lot more than it is today.

I'd consider starting a stocks and shares ISA buy stocks that perform no matter what's happening to the economy, it's not a tip but National Grid have been a solid bet. Do your research. Put all dividends into your ISA. In 25 years you'll have a significant pot of money to use tax free because it is not income - OK they're the current rules, we all know pensions are taxable, so start thinking about reducing your future tax burden. If you can put away £50-£100 pcm until you have more disposable income that will snowball nicely.

Ref your pension (existing) ask someone at work to explain it to you. Do this via HR then you will know how much it is. If it's £2,400 per annum now, they can provide a trajectory to confirm how much it could be when you retire. You can also check this out using a tool - eg moneysavingexpert has a pension tool.

You are not in a dire position, but it might be a good time to engage a financial adviser. For £600 or so, thry could save you a pretty penny and set you on the right course ref your pension.

Toptops · 21/08/2024 22:32
  1. Get a financial advisor. Someone has put up a link already, or get a personal recommendation. When you find 2 or 3 possibles, explain you are financially inexperienced and what exactly you are looking for from them. decide on whether they seem to understand your requirements and their price.
  2. I personally don't think 2400 is a skimpy monthly pension, if that's what it is. You'd have the state pension on top and be mortgage free by then. As other pp have said, you may be better putting some of the overpayment into your pension but be guided by your financial advisor.
changeme4this · 21/08/2024 22:14

Sounds like you should make an appointment with a budget advisor. They can work through the statements with you to ensure your contributions are in your current account/s and also look to see if the funds are invested appropriately for your age and future needs.

having said that, we are in the late 50’s mid 60’s age bracket and concerned about affordability when DH retires. We have already put his retirement age back twice.

CloudPop · 21/08/2024 22:10

In touch, obviously !

This is a free service

CloudPop · 21/08/2024 22:09

@Realstudd get in rich with Pension Wise

Pension Wise is a government service set up to help people understand the pension options available to them. It offers guidance to help empower people to make informed decisions about their pension which are best for their individual circumstances.

Lincslady53 · 21/08/2024 22:06

Recently retired here. We were in a similar position at your age. All our earnings went on living, paid a nominal amounting pension, some years nothing. Keep at paying your pension and your mortgage. It us surprising how the pension pot builds up over the years, and as the children get older, you can start to put more into your pension. If you get to retirement age with your mortgage paid off it makes a big difference. You can downsize if you want, but if you have a private pension and no mortgage you will be ok.

Bilbonne · 21/08/2024 21:27

It is probably worth booking an appointment with the Pension Advisory Service when you have traced your old pensions.

Myotherusernamesafunnyone · 21/08/2024 21:22

CharlieUniformNovemberTangoYankee · 20/08/2024 15:36

Honestly, get some proper financial advice. Pensions are complicated and I am hopeless with this stuff as well. A (very canny) friend recommended the guy I now use. He didn't charge anything directly but takes a management fee from the fund(s) he sets up.
I had money in a pot that was losing value (which is why I contacted him in the first place), but he explained the reasons and suggested a better product with the same company. He made all the arrangements and the investment started going up immediately.
It was well worth it for peace of mind. And do it now, while you're still young.

This x100!!

Please please go and see an IFA!!

They can work out- what the £2400 figure actually is, trace any other pension pots, advise about consolidating the separate pots into 1 or moving to a better fund, and also look at whether you are better overpaying/ paying off the mortgage early, increasing your pension contributions or saving into eg an ISA- there will be tax considerations etc etc to take into account so it's not easy to work out which option provides the most benefit without much more info and more knowledge too.

shehasglasses48 · 21/08/2024 21:12

If you’re only 42 you have years left to contribute towards a pension. Please don’t worry too much x

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