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Help with 6 year old not eating

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Summertimewoes · 20/08/2024 10:50

I’ve posted in AIBU as I need as much traffic to get some help !

This is going to be very long - sorry !

My 6 year old dd had a near choking incident four months ago and since then has been barely eating .
She has an active phobia now of swallowing .
She lives off certain crisps, mini Oreos , vanilla ice cream , the cheese part of dairy Lea dunkers , one bite of waffle with Nutella per day , one or two pieces of pasta with ketchup .
If we are out in a cafe , she will eat some donut or some cake .
Sometimes before bed she is so hungry and will accept a chopped up banana- will only eat two pieces .
she will have two innocent smoothie and one Ella’s kitchen fruit pouch per day as well .

Backround is she was diagnosed with sensory processing disorder at age 5.
she’s on a private waiting list to assess for autism .
She is what you would call high functioning . Very bright in school, masks incredibly well , and Then can’t cope once we are at home .
School has seen no issues whatsoever up until June when she could no longer mask as she was so hungry all the time .

I’ve been to the gp three times , sent to children’s hospital to rule out any physical problems with swallowing ( none )
She attends OT for past 18 months for sensory regulation. ( private )
She Is seeing a child councilor ( private ) weekly but seeing no difference.
Gp has referred her to a dietitian and a psychologist but not sure how long we will be waiting .
I had been referred to a child psychologist - Public - who said there was nothing they could do - this is the HSE so our public healthcare system .
Ive emailed private psychologists who either are not taking on new patients or say she’s too complex .

Her OT thinks she is showing signs of PDA and is experiencing burn out.

Her behaviors are very difficult at the moment but we are doing low/no demand in the hope she will regulate and the eating will follow .

Here’s my question (after all that !)
Has anyone got any experience with this ? I can deal with the behavior ( just about ) but we are extremely worried about the eating . I’m not sure how she is surviving.
I’ve tried different approaches with food but maybe there’s something I havevt tried ?

Our healthcare system in Ireland is broken , no one knows what to do with her and we basically don’t know where to turn .
Gp mentioned Arfid so I’ve been researching a bit on that too .

Anything else I can do to encourage eating , get some help ?

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 08:39

Gumbo · 20/08/2024 20:14

I've been there too unfortunately, almost identical situation where my son witnessed me choking (unconscious, stopped breathing etc) and was terrified of swallowing after that. His weight plummeted, he's also autistic and we were very worried about him. Anything he ate took forever as he'd chew it until it was almost liquid...

CBT made a huge difference, he now eats much better and faster, although he still struggles a bit with certain foods but it's now completely manageable.

Good luck, is a horrible situation to be in.

So sorry to hear what you went through , hope you are doing well now .
💐

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GarageBand · 21/08/2024 08:31

I have a PDAer who has a restricted diet, although I would say it’s quite in ARFID territory.

Mine will avoid a specific food for a few months or years if he has it once and it’s not quite right ie soft biscuits, over or under ripe fruit. So what she is doing makes complete sense. She’s had a shock.

She’s eating something, so that’s great. Remove the pressure. Leave food she will eat around the place for her. Throw out what you think should happen at meal times and do whatever you need to do to get her eating whether that is TV, on her own in a hiding place etc etc.

Getting something in is the most important thing, then getting enough calories in, then getting macro nutrients and micro nutrients.

The paediatric dietician recommended to us that mine had a daily multivitamin, but also daily calcium and iron supplements. If sweets are okay it might be worth giving those a go.

Hariborange do a tablet that has both iron and calcium in it, but even I think it’s absolutely disgusting. Haliborange and others do separate chewy sweets for iron and calcium.

If you start using fortified supplement milkshakes or the like do make sure you don’t double dose.

It is sole destroying with all the healthy eating campaigns on knowing that your child is subsisting off of sugar and processed food but baby steps and no pressure are your friends.

Someone upthread mentioned about using oral stimulation aids. Given it’s the swallowing part I wonder if there’s anything that can be done that is more throat based, but I don’t know anything about that. You are into SALT territory, or SALT/OT combined.

OneFastDuck · 21/08/2024 08:07

Could you buys some of the large innocent smoothies in bottles and reuse the bottles. Put homemade ones in.

Would she eat homemade biscuits? Cam do veggie muffins. I'd be so worried all she's eating is processed junk. Is there nothing fresh or homemade she'd eat? How did none of those things become her safe foods?

There was a course local to us a friend used for her autistic son. It was playing with food and lots of games with veggies. Holding things in their mouths- whole carrots sideways then moving onto lickong different flavour ice etc. It worked really well for her. Maybe see if there's anything like that near you?

Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 08:06

Raaraathelionrah · 20/08/2024 20:06

So sorry you’re in this situation.

We have the same.

do you know what ARFID is? My son has this. Maybe google this. And autism. Last year he had a choking incident as well and then he stoped eating, he lost a stone in weight. We paid privately at the London eating disorder clinic and he had CBT and they diagnosed him with ARFID. Since he’s out weight on - still eats a limited range of foods but he’s gone back to normal amounts now.

We found that they don’t treat younger children - most eating clinics under nhs are 8 plus or even older

Thank you

Yes I know what Arfid is and have been dipping in and out of reading about it . It’s been mentioned a lot so will do some proper research this evening.

I did email a feeding OT but unfortunately they are not taking on any more patients.
Im in Ireland and it’s extremely hard to get services privately and nearly impossible going through the public system

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 08:03

CLEO42 · 20/08/2024 20:06

Posting in solidarity @Summertimewoes.

My 11 year old, currently mid-assessment for ASD, and Dyspraxia, diagnosed ADHD has had restricted food intake since age 3. We’ve now got to a reasonable intake over the course of a week but it’s Spag Bol (every 2nd night), interspersed with plain meat with rice and broccoli. Weetabix for breakfast, lunch is some grated cheese and a carrot during the hols/eeekend - at school he eats nothing. It’s taken since the end of the pandemic to get to this range. During lockdown he reduced his food down to boiled rice and raw carrots. He lost loads of weight and I was sick with worry myself.

Pre-pandemic we had worked to increase his range and I was surprised to find a reward chart worked here. I made a list of food up on the wall and he got a tick each time he tried one (even a mouthful) and a star when he’d tried something 3 times. His brother did it alongside which was encouraging. When they got 15 stars they each got an Alexa (massive motivation for them at the time!!). Bloody lockdown set us back a lot but it did improve again over the last couple of years. I can’t tell you how happy I was when he started eating fries (no potatoes at all before then), though he eats them sideways and never more than half a dozen.

Holiday mealtimes this year were extremely challenging and we try to keep it low demand but it’s really fucking hard.

I hope you have a breakthrough soon OP. I really feel for you

That’s very hard , sorry to hear you went through that . Anything issues with eating is so emotive do it’s very stressful
Glad to hear your ds is doing well now .
I was thinking of some kind of reward chart . I feel I’ve nothing to lose now by trying it just to see if it can encourage her !

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 07:59

Blueotter22 · 20/08/2024 19:59

Do you think the sensory issues are what caused the choking incident a few months ago?
some children really struggled with oral discrimination and tracking foods in their mouth, which can lead to choking.
If she’s showing PDA traits then the more you present food as a “demand” the more she’ll avoid.

I wonder whether her confidence might increase from building oral motor strength - sucking, blowing games, facial vibration, tough chew necklaces to practice chewing/having things in her mouth without fear of it being food, thick milkshakes or smoothies through those bendy curly straws.

If she associates food with a scary experience, it might be helpful to explore regulating activities before the offer of food and give lots and lots of choice, low fuss approach. Has your OT put together a sensory diet of heavy work activities? Has your daughter got a visual timetable in place?

Good idea re games and chewing

Yes we’ve had a sensory diet plan put in place for the past year and also a visual timetable ( which she is very resistant!)

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 07:47

Apileofballyhoo · 20/08/2024 19:32

https://fromthelarder.co.uk/gluten-free-fairy-cakes/

Fairy cakes above are made with ground almonds, good for protein and calcium and there's plenty of eggs in there too, and butter for even more calories. I don't put in the full amount of sugar.

When DS was little I just rang around speech therapists till I found one who'd do private sessions. I'm in Ireland too.

Thanks for that . I’ve an app with gp on Monday with her so I’ll going to say again about the slt

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 07:46

Smartiepants79 · 20/08/2024 19:10

Is there no other liquid easy to swallow things she will accept? Yoghurt? Soups??
Can she really tell the difference between the brands or is it simply what comes out of the Innocent bottle?
Will she eat more of the acceptable foods?

Nope I’ve tried everything . In the beginning she would eat the soup from spaghetti hoops so I would buy cans of it and drain them . It ended up only a tiny bit of liquid so I’d need about 4 big cans and then the actual spaghetti hoops went to waste . She went off that Then !
Yep only the innocent ones and to be honest the other brands don’t have as much nutrients in them so I don’t mind .
Have tried making smoothies but she won’t drink drink them unfortunately

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 07:41

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 20/08/2024 18:57

Im sure you've tried this but as she'll have an Ella's pouch might she have some of the dinner type ones? I know there's a bolognese one.

I’ve thought about this but was thinking she might not go for it . No harm in trying though , thanks !

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Summertimewoes · 21/08/2024 07:40

Sirzy · 20/08/2024 18:52

Especially if she has a PDA profile my best advice is don’t let her see your worried, don’t put any pressure on her to eat at all and keep talk of food to a minimum.

Provide safe food for her, have other things available but not touching anything that is safe. Try to remove any pressure or expectation.

if your on Facebook there is a very good ARFID parent and carers support group.

Thanks, I joined one of the Arfid groups a couple of weeks ago so will reach out there and see if they can offer advice!

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Justalittlenaughty · 20/08/2024 20:51

Try homemade smoothie in innocent bottle maybe? 🤔

HamBagelNoCheese · 20/08/2024 20:40

May or May not be something you've tried, but I wonder if distraction might help somewhat - sit her in front of a favourite TV program/film with a plate of her chosen food - is there a chance she may eat a bit more absent mindedly when the focus isn't actually on eating?

Octavia64 · 20/08/2024 20:20

Advice:

Multivitamin supplements. Try loads until you get one she will tolerate.

There are a lot of meal replacement drinks out there as well - complan is what my DD uses.

It takes a long time to work on this. We did rewards charts, cooking, trying something new each week. None work fast but they all help.

HateThese4Leggedbeasts · 20/08/2024 20:16

I would follow arfid groups as pp said.

I follow an Instagram account called evie the explorer who has given me tips on managing restrictive eating in dc. Plus kids eat in color too helped me plan strategies around food.

The key for us was hugely reducing pressure on eating. Always having a safe food (and enough to fill up on) at every meal but putting different food in the table or plate in miniscule quantities and not commenting on whether it was eaten or not . Eg one sliver of a carrot next to the safe food.

My dc was not as extreme as yours but has very gradually improved willingness to tolerate new foods after we have some difficult phases with eating in the past. I also suspect some ND is relevant here too.

We never suggest one more bite at meals or hide foods/trick dc into "trying" something as I found that added pressure and was counter productive.

I do casually talk between meals about the things "kids eat in color" teach, eg green foods help fight germs etc which sparked some interest.

It's a long road and very difficult to manage.

PuddingAunt · 20/08/2024 20:16

Only suggestion i have, is it possible to arrange a different eating situation eg at aunty's house, at a picnic, with friends/ cousins.
My tricky little one used to eat whatever her cousins were having, so i would get a Sunday roast into her. Then it was back to plain pasta and a frozen frube... hugs to everyone who has a fussy eater.

Gumbo · 20/08/2024 20:14

I've been there too unfortunately, almost identical situation where my son witnessed me choking (unconscious, stopped breathing etc) and was terrified of swallowing after that. His weight plummeted, he's also autistic and we were very worried about him. Anything he ate took forever as he'd chew it until it was almost liquid...

CBT made a huge difference, he now eats much better and faster, although he still struggles a bit with certain foods but it's now completely manageable.

Good luck, is a horrible situation to be in.

Raaraathelionrah · 20/08/2024 20:06

So sorry you’re in this situation.

We have the same.

do you know what ARFID is? My son has this. Maybe google this. And autism. Last year he had a choking incident as well and then he stoped eating, he lost a stone in weight. We paid privately at the London eating disorder clinic and he had CBT and they diagnosed him with ARFID. Since he’s out weight on - still eats a limited range of foods but he’s gone back to normal amounts now.

We found that they don’t treat younger children - most eating clinics under nhs are 8 plus or even older

CLEO42 · 20/08/2024 20:06

Posting in solidarity @Summertimewoes.

My 11 year old, currently mid-assessment for ASD, and Dyspraxia, diagnosed ADHD has had restricted food intake since age 3. We’ve now got to a reasonable intake over the course of a week but it’s Spag Bol (every 2nd night), interspersed with plain meat with rice and broccoli. Weetabix for breakfast, lunch is some grated cheese and a carrot during the hols/eeekend - at school he eats nothing. It’s taken since the end of the pandemic to get to this range. During lockdown he reduced his food down to boiled rice and raw carrots. He lost loads of weight and I was sick with worry myself.

Pre-pandemic we had worked to increase his range and I was surprised to find a reward chart worked here. I made a list of food up on the wall and he got a tick each time he tried one (even a mouthful) and a star when he’d tried something 3 times. His brother did it alongside which was encouraging. When they got 15 stars they each got an Alexa (massive motivation for them at the time!!). Bloody lockdown set us back a lot but it did improve again over the last couple of years. I can’t tell you how happy I was when he started eating fries (no potatoes at all before then), though he eats them sideways and never more than half a dozen.

Holiday mealtimes this year were extremely challenging and we try to keep it low demand but it’s really fucking hard.

I hope you have a breakthrough soon OP. I really feel for you

IntrepidCat · 20/08/2024 20:03

I have a child with ARFID, ASD and SPD. ARFID sounded likely to me with what you wrote. In all honesty, there isn’t really much available to treat or help. It’s mainly CBT and chaining foods to try to less restrictive.

There is a good Facebook group about ARFID that can advise you further with regards to what to go for an assessment depending upon where you live.

LizzeyBenett · 20/08/2024 20:00

I don't have any experience but might it be worth booking her in with a private dietitian even just to get better food into her that she will eat if she is eating so little they could at least advise a plan say a high fat/protein diet of foods she will accept ? That sounds really hard and your poor DD the poor little mite x

Blueotter22 · 20/08/2024 19:59

Do you think the sensory issues are what caused the choking incident a few months ago?
some children really struggled with oral discrimination and tracking foods in their mouth, which can lead to choking.
If she’s showing PDA traits then the more you present food as a “demand” the more she’ll avoid.

I wonder whether her confidence might increase from building oral motor strength - sucking, blowing games, facial vibration, tough chew necklaces to practice chewing/having things in her mouth without fear of it being food, thick milkshakes or smoothies through those bendy curly straws.

If she associates food with a scary experience, it might be helpful to explore regulating activities before the offer of food and give lots and lots of choice, low fuss approach. Has your OT put together a sensory diet of heavy work activities? Has your daughter got a visual timetable in place?

nutbrownhare15 · 20/08/2024 19:43

The Mealtime hostage facebook group is a good source of support

Apileofballyhoo · 20/08/2024 19:32

https://fromthelarder.co.uk/gluten-free-fairy-cakes/

Fairy cakes above are made with ground almonds, good for protein and calcium and there's plenty of eggs in there too, and butter for even more calories. I don't put in the full amount of sugar.

When DS was little I just rang around speech therapists till I found one who'd do private sessions. I'm in Ireland too.

Easy Gluten-Free Fairy Cakes

Gluten-Free Fairy Cakes are simply made with gluten-free flour, ground almonds and no weird gums. Delicious buttery vanilla flavour with a lemon glaze.

https://fromthelarder.co.uk/gluten-free-fairy-cakes

Smartiepants79 · 20/08/2024 19:10

Is there no other liquid easy to swallow things she will accept? Yoghurt? Soups??
Can she really tell the difference between the brands or is it simply what comes out of the Innocent bottle?
Will she eat more of the acceptable foods?

orangetree1999 · 20/08/2024 19:05

Not the same situation as yours - but when my daughter had issues with food in the short term the advice was to just give her what you know she will eat (but in bigger portions if she is losing weight).
Stop all conversations about food and talk about something else during meals.
Take all the pressure off for now pending a referral.

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