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To feel upset me and DS have lost friends and it wasn't our fault

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WiseOwl24 · 20/08/2024 08:29

DS is 10.
Since age 5, he's been best friends with a girl in his class, let's call her Mia (not her real name). They've spent 5 years being each other's best friends. And in that time I've become really close to Mia's mum. 5 years of playdates, park after school, entire Sunday afternoons spent together, going out for lunch at weekends as families, I've had them round to mine as a family and hosted them on numerous occasions. Bought lovely birthday presents for them as they have done for us. What I'm trying to explain is, we ensured been close for 5 years.
A few months ago, out of the blue, DS came home from school upset saying that Mia had suddenly started saying mean things to him like "I hate you". "Every one in this school hates you". "Your face makes me want to vomit". "You've got no friends". All this was out of the blue. There had been no fall outs or anything.
I talked to Mia's mum and told her that Mia had been saying these things to DS, and I asked if there was a problem I didn't know about. Mia's mum said "Mia simply wouldn't say anything like that. Your DS is lying". She then called Mia over and said "Did you say these things?" Mia said "No" and Mia's mum turned to me and said "See. She says she didn't say it." Then stormed off without saying bye and made it clear she was furious with both me and DS - she literally glared at him with fury as she stormed off. He became worried and said "Why is Mia's mum angry with me?".
The next day at school, Mia ran up to DS and said "You're a snitch!!! I hate snitches!!! I hate you for snitching on me!!!". DS said "You said those things to me Mia, it really upset me, I thought we were good friends, I'm not a snitch, I just told my mum about it". Mia gave him more horrible personal insults and ran off.
The insults carried on for the next few weeks, with DS coming home regularly telling us that she was saying really horrible, nasty, spiteful, personal mean things to him at school, and she totally dumped hanging out with him and switched to a new friendship group of 'cool kids'. They are much older in their ways and their attitude than DS is, much more streetwise, sarcastic, mouthy, argumentative, trendy 10 year old boys walking round in teenage style clothes like ripped jeans and oversized skateboard tops and beanies with smartphones and using a lot of swearing in their general chat (I see them hanging around the park a lot outside of school). DS is nothing like this, he's still very much a child.
After a few weeks of Mia saying spiteful things to DS at school, I spoke to their class teacher about it and told her everything Mia was saying and I asked her to see if she could help with trying to sort out what was going on, because DS was coming home in tears about it. I imagined the teacher would get the 2 of them together and talk it through, knowing that they'd previously spent 5 years as best friends. Instead, the teacher spoke to Mia alone and came down like a tonne of bricks. At pick up, she said to me "I've blasted Mia today for what she's said to your DS, I'm coming down on her like a tonne of bricks and I've told her I'll be watching her closely and I've told her you've spoken to me about her behaviour so that she can't lie about it and so that she knows we all know".
From that day on, Mia has never said another thing to DS, but equally she now just blanks him. He says "She looks through me at school like I'm air".
Likewise, Mia's mum has stopped talking to me and either blanks me on the school run or gives me sliitted eyed evil stares.
We've both lost good friends. Long standing friends who became family friends that we spent a lot of time with. Mia's mum constantly referred to my DS as "Mia's bestie" from age 5 to 10.
DS is asking me how it went from him and Mia being best friends, to Mia turning against him literally overnight without anything bad having happened between them, no fall out, nothing.
He's asking me about it a lot and says he's really upset about what has happened and that he thought he and Mia were close friends.
I don't know how to explain things to him, because I literally don't get it. I don't understand what has happened.
I've never encountered anything like this before!
AIBU to feel upset that we've both lost close friends without either of us having actually done anything wrong?
How do I advise and explain to DS when I myself don't understand Mia's behaviour after years of them having a happy friendship where Mia used to actively seek out and love my DS, and ditto Mia's mum towards me?

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itsgettingweird · 20/08/2024 08:43

It's happens all the time.

10 is usually the age kids develop very differently in regards to puberty and emotional development, hormones and trying out new things.

Sometimes that means they become complete arseholes in the process until they realise it doesn't make you friends. And at 10yo that sort of behaviour won't get as much short shrift as it would older or even adulthood because the other kids don't have the emotional intelligence, confidence and language to call it out.

But I have to say - it's really nice to hear of a school take an absolute no nonsense approach to bullying. And obviously it's worked because she's shut up.

Just tell your ds that life is for having a hide variety of friends from all walks of life. As he grows up he'll meet people who become short term friends and some long term.
Forget this relationship and spend time with your other family friends.

Maybe get ds into sos e kind of club to meet other people outside of school.

But he had to learn as well you can't control another persons behaviour - just your reaction to it.

eish · 20/08/2024 08:42

I think you need to be honest with your poor son. You can say I don’t know what motivated her to do this but sometimes people do and let you down. Also explain that when people are growing up this is even more common. It looks to me like Mia wanted to join the cool kids but didn’t know how to tell your son.

are there other children you can help your son develop a friendship with?

it is ok to show your son that you are also hurt, he will look to you so model being hurt but making other friendships and moving on.

butteriesplease · 20/08/2024 08:41

ah, sorry this is happening to you both x I would say at this age, friendship groups can really change. Hormones, growing up at different rates etc. My own DS had a best pal since nursery, and come P7 (Scotland, he was around 10) suddenly the besties were no more. his friend was saying harsh things, and excluding him. He was very upset and found it hard to navigate. I did tell his class teacher, but she was great, and said she'd keep an eye, as DS was very worried about being seen as having 'told'.
They have now worked it through themselves, and are OK, but not besties. They are up at high school now anyway, so that will shake things up for most friendship groups.

I'd suggest encouraging other friendships if you can. And obv, the mum will 'side' with her own child, and might be embarrassed? I found that my DS' besties' mum hadn't been aware of how bad it had been, and I guess, from her perspective, it hadn't been. Her child hadn't been at home in tears after all.

hope things improve soon x

CelloCollage · 20/08/2024 08:40

Well, surely this suggests that in fact you haven’t lost two good friends, your son was just the victim of the kind of messy and upsetting friendship switch that sometimes happens with young children, and you realised that your friendship with the other child’s mother was purely situational, and didn’t survive the fallout?

An actual friend would have been concerned and promised to talk privately to their child to figure out why she’d turned against your DS. I had a not dissimilar situation earlier this year with my DS, aged 11, and talked to four parents in his friendship group, all of whom I also considered friends. They talked to their children, and the behaviour stopped.

Hoardasurass · 20/08/2024 08:39

I know that this isn't what you want to hear but you and your ds are better off finding out what sort of people Mia and her mum are now and getting out before that little madam gets worse and drags him into even more drama because in her mum's eyes Mia will never be wrong it will always be someone else who's to blame, and we all know what sort of brat that creates

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/08/2024 08:38

You poor things! Unfortunately, children can be pretty brutal about ending friendships, especially when social status comes into it and they start to become more aware of that. If Mia has been drawn into wanting to be in the cool gang, she may have felt that, to be accepted, she has to be seen to reject and dislike anyone who's not in the cool gang. This kind of thing is not uncommon. As for Mia's mum... well, parents will often react very angrily and cut off contact with anyone who criticises their child, rather than believe their child has done anything wrong. I hope your ds finds another, nicer friend!

Catza · 20/08/2024 08:37

This sounds really tough for both of you. Sometimes, I find, you just need to tell the truth and treat your child as an adult.
Tell him that sometimes people do things that are unexpected and friends let you down. We should do our best to understand them and forgive them but we can never really know why people do and say things that are hurtful. The best thing we can do is to have a conversation with them and find out if we upset them in any way but, if it doesn't work, we just have to accept that the friendship is over, forgive and move on. In time, they may realise their mistake and apologise. We can then decide whether to accept the apology and continue the friendship or whether to accept the apology but distance ourselves from the person anyway.

Octavia64 · 20/08/2024 08:37

It is very normal at this age for friendships to change.

It's unusual for children's friendships to last for many many years - it's more normal that they have fallings out and fallings in.
Most parents of 7-11 year olds will have experienced their child coming home and saying "I hate X she's so horrible" and the next day "X and me are best friends forever".

You and your DS should probably focus on developing a range of friendships with both boys and girls. That way when the inevitable falling outs happen he has other friends to play with.