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To feel upset me and DS have lost friends and it wasn't our fault

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WiseOwl24 · 20/08/2024 08:29

DS is 10.
Since age 5, he's been best friends with a girl in his class, let's call her Mia (not her real name). They've spent 5 years being each other's best friends. And in that time I've become really close to Mia's mum. 5 years of playdates, park after school, entire Sunday afternoons spent together, going out for lunch at weekends as families, I've had them round to mine as a family and hosted them on numerous occasions. Bought lovely birthday presents for them as they have done for us. What I'm trying to explain is, we ensured been close for 5 years.
A few months ago, out of the blue, DS came home from school upset saying that Mia had suddenly started saying mean things to him like "I hate you". "Every one in this school hates you". "Your face makes me want to vomit". "You've got no friends". All this was out of the blue. There had been no fall outs or anything.
I talked to Mia's mum and told her that Mia had been saying these things to DS, and I asked if there was a problem I didn't know about. Mia's mum said "Mia simply wouldn't say anything like that. Your DS is lying". She then called Mia over and said "Did you say these things?" Mia said "No" and Mia's mum turned to me and said "See. She says she didn't say it." Then stormed off without saying bye and made it clear she was furious with both me and DS - she literally glared at him with fury as she stormed off. He became worried and said "Why is Mia's mum angry with me?".
The next day at school, Mia ran up to DS and said "You're a snitch!!! I hate snitches!!! I hate you for snitching on me!!!". DS said "You said those things to me Mia, it really upset me, I thought we were good friends, I'm not a snitch, I just told my mum about it". Mia gave him more horrible personal insults and ran off.
The insults carried on for the next few weeks, with DS coming home regularly telling us that she was saying really horrible, nasty, spiteful, personal mean things to him at school, and she totally dumped hanging out with him and switched to a new friendship group of 'cool kids'. They are much older in their ways and their attitude than DS is, much more streetwise, sarcastic, mouthy, argumentative, trendy 10 year old boys walking round in teenage style clothes like ripped jeans and oversized skateboard tops and beanies with smartphones and using a lot of swearing in their general chat (I see them hanging around the park a lot outside of school). DS is nothing like this, he's still very much a child.
After a few weeks of Mia saying spiteful things to DS at school, I spoke to their class teacher about it and told her everything Mia was saying and I asked her to see if she could help with trying to sort out what was going on, because DS was coming home in tears about it. I imagined the teacher would get the 2 of them together and talk it through, knowing that they'd previously spent 5 years as best friends. Instead, the teacher spoke to Mia alone and came down like a tonne of bricks. At pick up, she said to me "I've blasted Mia today for what she's said to your DS, I'm coming down on her like a tonne of bricks and I've told her I'll be watching her closely and I've told her you've spoken to me about her behaviour so that she can't lie about it and so that she knows we all know".
From that day on, Mia has never said another thing to DS, but equally she now just blanks him. He says "She looks through me at school like I'm air".
Likewise, Mia's mum has stopped talking to me and either blanks me on the school run or gives me sliitted eyed evil stares.
We've both lost good friends. Long standing friends who became family friends that we spent a lot of time with. Mia's mum constantly referred to my DS as "Mia's bestie" from age 5 to 10.
DS is asking me how it went from him and Mia being best friends, to Mia turning against him literally overnight without anything bad having happened between them, no fall out, nothing.
He's asking me about it a lot and says he's really upset about what has happened and that he thought he and Mia were close friends.
I don't know how to explain things to him, because I literally don't get it. I don't understand what has happened.
I've never encountered anything like this before!
AIBU to feel upset that we've both lost close friends without either of us having actually done anything wrong?
How do I advise and explain to DS when I myself don't understand Mia's behaviour after years of them having a happy friendship where Mia used to actively seek out and love my DS, and ditto Mia's mum towards me?

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BeansNfranks · 27/08/2024 19:47

To bad it's all made up and none of this happened.

Paulafernalia · 27/08/2024 13:17

Catza · 20/08/2024 08:37

This sounds really tough for both of you. Sometimes, I find, you just need to tell the truth and treat your child as an adult.
Tell him that sometimes people do things that are unexpected and friends let you down. We should do our best to understand them and forgive them but we can never really know why people do and say things that are hurtful. The best thing we can do is to have a conversation with them and find out if we upset them in any way but, if it doesn't work, we just have to accept that the friendship is over, forgive and move on. In time, they may realise their mistake and apologise. We can then decide whether to accept the apology and continue the friendship or whether to accept the apology but distance ourselves from the person anyway.

I think this is lovely 🥰

Marvelsquirrel · 26/08/2024 08:38

My best friend from primary school ditched me at about 11. No reason that I could see except that she was growing up quicker than me.
She was into boys and clothes and I wasn’t cool anymore. It’s an age of big changes.
I was heartbroken so I can sympathise with your son.
It was hard while we were in the same school but when I moved to high school I made new friends and never looked back.
I saw my old friend again when we were about 15 and she wasn’t a person I had anything in common with or wanted to be friends with.
I know a few women who went through the same thing at the same age. I think puberty starts and kids change dramatically.
It’s sad that the mum has acted this way too. Adults should know better.
All you can do is support your son and reassure him things will get better and that he hasn’t done anything wrong. And also he’s probably not the only one going through this.

Duechristmas · 24/08/2024 09:35

You can't force a friendship and as children make at different rates this isn't uncommon. What sucks is the mum's reaction. Ideally you two would be able to continue your friendship regardless of the children's relationship. Clearly it wasn't as valued by her as it was by you.
Definitely let it go now and focus on helping DS find HIS people.

OolongTeaDrinker · 23/08/2024 10:31

It is really sad for your son, but I think you could have seen this coming and encouraged your son to have a wider friendship circle. I've seen this happen is DS' class. One rather intense mum strongly encouraged her son to be best (and only) friends with a girl who was the daughter of one of her drinking buddies. It was fine in the early years, but now they are in juniors the girl wants to hang out with the other girls, and the boy has been left with no friends.

Rightly or wrongly, the sexes do tend to divide (and I know there are exceptions to this rule) as the kids get older, so not encouraging your son to have both male and female friends and put yours and his eggs in one basket was a mistake.

Going forward though can you help him to gain some social capital by encouraging extra-curricular activities that will expose him to a different peer group, hopefully one that will give him some ready made friends for secondary school.

Greenphonecase · 23/08/2024 09:42

Im sorry this has happened to you and your DS. My DD went theough something similar at primary school. Made a best friend in reception year and by years 5/6 she had been dropped because her friend wanted in with the cool mean girls. It broke my heart to see my DD sat all alone on sports day while the other girls all sat in a circle on the grass ignoring her. I was matey with her mum too, but she believed the rubbish her DD told her and made out my DD was the problem. Thankfully they went to different secondary schools and my DD made some proper friends. In her quest to be one of the cool kids at her secondary school her former best friend has been bullied and ostracised by her ‘cool mates’ and has suffered with her mental health.

My DD and this girl still see each other occasionally and the other girl did apologise for her behaviour at primary school blaming peer pressure because my DD was a nerd and not a cool kid.

its really hard when you see your child hurting. I agree with PP, talk to him about how friendships change and that he didn't do anything wrong and encourage him to make friends with other children and leave Mia to it. Its a shame you lost a friend too but tbh she wasn't interested in sorting the situation out and soon got in a snot about it so maybe you don't need friends like that. My DD’s friend's mum was the same.

Pickled21 · 23/08/2024 09:22

Reassure your son that he did nothing wrong but that friendships can change and he is better off without her. Encourage him to make new friends whether it be after school clubs or extracurricular through which he can meet other children.

I'm not friends with any of the parents of the kids mine play with. Kids fall out and parents naturally take their own kid's side leading to awkwardness I could do without.

DottyLottieLou · 23/08/2024 09:09

They weren't good friends. Draw a line a move on, safe in the knowledge that the mother will reap what she does when zmia becomes a teenager. Re assure your son the problem isn't with him, it was her not being a nice person. Explain the importance of having many friends rather than relying on one.

Emmz1510 · 23/08/2024 08:46

Friendships are very difficult at this age and they do come and go, plus it sounds like for some reason the girl decided to turn on your DS. She probably wanted to look cool to her other friends- no doubt she took your DS friendship for granted and didn’t expect to be pulled up for it. Anyway your DS is better off without someone who would bully him like that. It’s probably quite rare for a child to have such a longstanding friendship at this age. Ask yourself this- would they have stayed friends this long if you and the mum hadn’t been friends? I’m not saying that’s a bad thing but friendships that happen or are maintained because the parents are friends might be less likely to last if you see what I mean?
Im sorry this has happened it sound me awful for you both but you don’t need people like that in your life.

HannahGsMummy · 23/08/2024 08:29

From experience - this is the age little girls become almost demonised and it gets worse. Encourage him to build friendships with boys, they’re much simpler creatures!
Hope he’s okay

CosyLemur · 23/08/2024 08:21

Are you sure that there was nothing said on your son's part? It seems very strange that a friendship that was so close would suddenly result in that amount of name calling.

Dibbydoos · 22/08/2024 00:53

Same thing happened to my DD and her DF lied to her mum about it all saying my DD did abc when she was doing it all. We agreed to separate them, but I still talk to her mum.

My DD and her are still acquaintances, they call each other occasionally and message (8 years later) but my DD would never choose to go see her even though her DF is now a mum.

Have a grown up conversation with your DS. She turned, that's it. Nothing he did it was her decision. I hope he resettled with new friends soon and that you can get past her DM who is clearly very childish.

Ukrainebaby23 · 21/08/2024 21:43

"Sorry DS, people are weird sometimes, even grown ups have friends that turn on them for no apparent reason. It wasn't your fault and we are not upset with you. It's sad we can't be friends anymore and do stuff with them, but we will find other friends. "

Evan456 · 21/08/2024 18:50

The mother will find out as she’s going to be a big problem with the new so called friends she’s made when she starts getting into trouble

OhcantthInkofaname · 21/08/2024 18:05

InevitableNameChanger · 20/08/2024 08:53

Friendships change. An adult friendship that was totally dependent on the children's friendship was always a vulnerable one.

My best friends son and my son went to infant school together, they walked to school on the first day hand in hand. Then never played with each other again at school Grin. We are still best friends, we didn't try and force friendship on our children

In your case I assume that one child did not suddenly turn vicious with the other child?

JLou08 · 21/08/2024 17:59

It's not unreasonable to be upset. It will feel like a loss. On the bright side though it is best the friendship ended now and the bullying was nipped in the bud. 'Mia' doesn't sound like someone I would want my children to be friends with in secondary school. I imagine she will be in quite a lot of trouble with hers and her mothers attitude.

Codlingmoths · 21/08/2024 10:42

I think it’s really positive that the teacher came down hard on the behaviour

5128gap · 20/08/2024 20:30

Its a tale as old as time. Girl grows up faster thsn boy best mate, becomes cool girl and dumps less cool boy mate.
In the movies girl later regrets it and resumes the friendship, first secretly, but then openly when her new crowd are revealed as vacuous and mean. However, in real life, it tends to mean the friendship had reached an end, as one person had outgrown it and moved in another direction.
It's sad for your DS and horrible that Mia's new image had to involve such cruel distancing as the name calling, but it can't be changed.
Your role now is to explain to DS its not him, it's her, and encourage friendships with other DC who share his interests.
Your own friend was clearly one of convenience when it suited her and so she isn't the loss you may think.

MorvernBlack · 20/08/2024 20:08

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/08/2024 17:34

What's off about that?

Nothing is off about it and troll hunting is against MN rules and tiresome to boot.

It's how the skater kids dress where we live. But even if it is a US poster, this isn't a local site for local people.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/08/2024 17:34

MrsStottlemeyer · 20/08/2024 14:08

Yes. The cool kids with ripped jeans, oversized t-shirts and beanie hats is off to me.

What's off about that?

pleasehelpwi3 · 20/08/2024 17:11

MrsStottlemeyer · 20/08/2024 14:08

Yes. The cool kids with ripped jeans, oversized t-shirts and beanie hats is off to me.

If not AI, then North American for sure.

MrsStottlemeyer · 20/08/2024 14:08

minerva7 · 20/08/2024 10:20

Does this read like AI to anyone else? The exaggerated descriptions and duplicate use of words/sayings.

If I am wrong I wholeheartedly apologise op it just reads very strange.

Yes. The cool kids with ripped jeans, oversized t-shirts and beanie hats is off to me.

NeedToChangeName · 20/08/2024 14:00

WiseOwl24 · 20/08/2024 12:01

After reading all the replies, I get the moving on bit.
I just don't get the nastiness.

10 year olds don't always have the social skills to gradually let a friendship fade out, or to realise when they're being faded out. So, their behaviour can be cruel / nasty

I'd approach this as Mia being immature, rather than Mia being cruel. But, the end result is the same. I still wouldn't encourage my child to try to stay friends with someone who doesn't treat them well

OolongTeaDrinker · 20/08/2024 13:46

ichundich · 20/08/2024 09:56

No advice, but this why I have stopped making friends through my kids. It inevitably happens.

I totally agree with this. Situational friendships can seem like more at the time especially if you spend intense amounts of time together when the kids are small. My approach is be friendly to your kids friend's parents, but keep them gently at arms length.

If you wouldn't necessarily have become friends with the parents if you had met them in another setting like through work or a hobby, then just treat them as colleagues who you are friendly with - then you or they wont get dragged into any drama when the inevitable fall outs between the children occur.

Oopstoo · 20/08/2024 13:17

Unfort never a good idea to speak to parent - speak to school.
welcome to the work of pre teen girls - some can be vipers
I suspect poor attempt of Mia to push your son away as she wanted a different friendship group.
your son, through no fault of his own, was losing her as a friend regardless

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