To suggest a male curfew one night a week

If we separated men and women in the workplace that might avoid some problems too.

Or we could let men out, but make them wear electronic tags, or maybe wear weights so they are slow.

Maybe for fairness sake there should be a curfew on women one day a week too

Then men can go out and not have to worry they'll be called a predator just because they're... walking down the street where a woman happens to be

It might actually also help those women most at risk as their men go out to enjoy "blokes night" and give them chance to plan an escape

And why just apply this method to men vs women?

Which men commit the majority of crimes anyway?

Maybe people could start restricting on other on the basis of other group memberships too? Where I live violent crime is highly correlated both race.

If people cared a jot about the millions of women in the UK who've experienced physical or sexual violence, they wouldn't be suggesting a curfew for men.

Not only because it's unfair on innocent non-violent men and an unhelpful (doesn't address the actual issues) and divisive idea that would cause resentment and likely increase VAWG. But also because Women were more likely to be killed by someone they knew than men, for example, of the 100 domestic homicide victims in the year ending March 2023, 70 were women.

A large proportion of VAWG (and the majority of domestic homicides) happens in the home - by someone the victim knows.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023

I literally just said: 'Not all men are predators/violent nor are all men responsible for the few that are.'

And you reply with: 'It’s about all men because all men need to make a stand against the few'.

Why are you just repeating a claim, I've already refuted? I'll say it again since you're hard of thinking: NO men do NOT have to make a stand against the few.

Most men are decent. If you haven't been lucky enough to experience that, well, then I'm sorry for that.

I have personally had my life literally saved by the most amazing men - twice - my dad first then my husband of 30 years.
I will NOT have them demonised.
Don't come at me again.

Education. There is no short term solution, we need to start with our male children and teach them about proper respect for the opposite sex. Reinforce that certain behaviours aren’t acceptable and that personal boundaries shouldn’t be crossed. Women are not playthings or possessions. No means no every time. I’m probably going to get flamed for this, but realistically judging by some of the parenting I’ve seen lately in public I don’t hold out much hope.

Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

Huh, I must be imagining the scars from the knife wounds on my back then.

I And a few other posters upthread drew a comparison with what happened in Nazi Germany too. How many dictatorships and oppressive regimes have begun with a curfew against the perceived perpetrators of ‘evil. In Hitlers’ case it was the Jews, and what started with deprivation of liberty led to the holocaust. It sounds inconceivable that that could happen again, but humanity’s record on learning from history isn’t great. You only have to look at the posts that followed the OP’s suggestion. In the blink of an eye there was escalation - we went from a one night curfew to locking up men between the ages of 16-25 until they ‘earned’ a licence to walk the streets, which could be revoked at any time for bad behaviour. There was even a suggestion that trustworthy men should be allowed to police it and given high viz vests. Chillingly similar to the Kapos of the concentration camps. Hilarious and chilling at the same time ? I’m not laughing, I’m distinctly chilly.

Well done on deliberately ignoring the PP point

They weren't on about the "decent" men. They are literally saying that the sort who already wants to break the law and do harm will not be stopped by a curfew.

Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

Women can and do hurt men. We need to stop this attitude of "women can't hurt men because men are all big and strong". That contributes to toxic masculinity and thus encourages the attitudes which also allow abusive men to get away with it and think it's acceptable

Except restricting their movement is having power.

It's giving women a luxury men don't have.

I agree some of their posts are coming across as aggressive, and are a good example of the fact that women aren't always benign to other women.

Whilst this is just online posts, it's a fact that in real life although male violence (against women and men) is statically a bigger problem, there is also an issue of female violence against women.

I don't want to jump on anyone and understand that reading posts and their tone and intent is subjective. It's also a highly emotive topic, and perhaps that poster has personal experience of VAWG by a stranger or she suffers from particularly strong anxiety issues about it happening to them or a loved one.

That might be influencing the tone of their posts - posting when scared or overemotional and stressed, perhaps. To add, before I get accused of misogyny for using the term 'over emotional' - because some people (not me) mistakenly associate "over emotional" as a 'female thing', the issue of posting when scared or over emotional is something both men and women do at times.

And how do you measure that ? I’ve seen men calling out other men on quite a few occasions. I’ve also seen male managers disciplining other men in the workplace. But according to MN it doesn’t happen.

Not as such, but you said no-one is suggesting women should have power over men. That’s exactly what people are suggesting - that’s what a curfew would be.

ALL people were at threat on London Bridge

And it IS relevant that men will step in to stop other men being violent. It shows they aren't all passively violent

But good on you for ignoring all the other examples to say ONE didn't count

Women will never have that kind of power over men because men have physical advantage. You can put a spin on it to make it out to be a more palatable interdependence if you like, but when it comes down to it, it really is that simple. If women tried to impose something on men they didn't want, or withhold something they did, such as in this case, their freedom, they would simply take it by force. Which is why all the poor men, nasty women ooh how chilling type angst is entirely overblown and unnecessary. Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

Not sure why you are quoting me, I didn’t say I support the idea of a curfew.

And when it does come to light men often don’t want to know.

Likewise many women don't want to know.

This thread actually highlights that fact. The very suggestion of a curfew for men, aside from being unfair on innocent non-violent men, is indicative of the dismissal of DV. Perhaps due to subconscious victim blaming attitudes ("I'm not that sort of woman", when it can happen to any woman).

I'm NOT a man. I'm a woman (with a husband and a young son). I know several women who've experienced DV. Loads of people - both men and women, didn't want to know. Including some working in statutory services (the latter, partly due to these services being poorly funded, poorly run, and as a consequence poorly trained staff who often, due to lack of funds or experience, prioritised 'gatekeeping' over helping the women in need of help).

Unfair curfews for all men, irrespective of whether or not they're violent, won't stop VAWG or violent crime in general. They'll likely increase it if anything, whilst also causing resentment and division.

Clearly you haven’t read the thread or think more in depth and the best you can up with is DFOD?!

It’s about all men because all men need to make a stand against the few - calling out inappropriate and low level sexual microaggressions that may occur in the friendship groups, work place, chat groups, at home etc. Men won’t listen to women - we will be told to “calm down, dear”, “it’s only joke”, “you must be on your period” etc if we call it out. It’s other men that need to call it out.

So imposing a curfew and denying liberty to an entire cohort ‘because men’ isn’t having power over men ?

Why do you want to increase VAWG?

As we know, and as pointed out by many posters on this thread, a large proportion, the majority I believe, of women killed by men are killed in domestic homicides - in the home (by someone they know, not by a stranger).

Why not, instead, of proposing an unfair (on innocent non-violent men) and divisive policy that would cause resentment and very likely increase VAWG, advocate for genuinely helpful and effective ways to reduce VAWG (and violence in general including against men)?

I've outlined these ways in my previous posts.

You literally said:

Of course it is about all men.

It isn't. Not all men are predators/violent nor are all men responsible for the few that are.

And DFOD with the 'intelligence' crap.

Men are we know this but I was replying to comment about women having to be careful but so do men as they are the victims to more crime. Everyone needs to be aware of their surroundings this is what we teach children from very young starting from stop look listen when crossing a road to stranger danger.

Who are the perpetrators of most violent crimes against men……

But more men are victims of violent crime to so it's not just women moderating their behaviour all people need to be mindful of their surroundings.