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To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

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WolabiMe · 19/08/2024 18:05

As the mother of a son I find this highly offensive

all rapists, attackers/ murderers/ creeps have mothers too you know

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 18:05

mitogoshi · 19/08/2024 17:52

I've seen many women fighting at night, also female on female domestic abuse. I suspect it doesn't get talked about

You can't suggest women are a threat here... men only are wicked evil and abusive!

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 18:04

watchingsmurfs · 19/08/2024 18:00

Perhaps this is something you should spend your time working instead of spouting this ridiculous tripe on mumsnet.

Disclaimer - my response to the OP in no way reflects my feeling towards women who have suffered abuse by men. Abusers deserve to be punished, the whole male population does not.

Wow the male violence apologists are out today 🙄

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 18:04

Plzdontaskmyname · 19/08/2024 18:02

Those who think this suggestion is punishing the innocent for the actions of the guilty - what do you think about the parallel suggestions from the other side that if women don't want to be attacked, we should restrict our movements? What about those long lists of rape prevention tips like "don't wear your hair in a ponytail because it's easy for an assailant to grab" that go around the Internet once in a while? Are those punishing the innocent (women) for the actions of the guilty? Or is it ok that women are effectively under curfew in many areas?

Gonna blow your mind, but it's possible to think both those things are wrong.

ComealongMartha · 19/08/2024 18:04

ExtraOnions · 19/08/2024 17:58

Violent Criminals are mostly men, as are sexual criminals, drug dealers, gang members, thieves, dangerous drivers etc etc etc.

Men seem to be in no hurray to solve the problems caused by thier sex - all you get is a load of wet “It’s not all men” apologists.

Men need to own the behaviour of thier sex, and acknowledge that they are part of the problem.

“but my son’s not like that” .. in front of you maybe, get him with his mates, drunk, or worse .. then see how it is.

I think a male curfew would be blissful

What about those of us who work with these men? In prisons, hospitals and supported housing among other examples.
Do our male colleagues get the night off that night?

We need to educate our sons right from tiny kids not lock them up just because they have a penis.

HelloMiss · 19/08/2024 18:04

I work nights....with men

How are they going to get to work during this curfew? Will I be left alone?

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 18:03

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 17:58

It isn't his fault you're afraid though. It's not fair to punish an innocent person for your fear.

If nothing else, this is completely counter to how justice works in a decent society - punishing people who've done nothing wrong because they happen to share a social class with people who have. It also wouldn't actually have a significant impact on levels of violence because attacks from strangers, while obviously awful when they happen, are relatively rare. Most violence against women is perpetrated by men they know in private homes. It would actually be safer for women to make all the men go out for one night a week while they stay at home.

I never said it was? My point is that some women are of the impression that if they think their husband/son/brother is lovely then all women should. Even if we know nothing of the sort.

Also, how is walking away quickly from a man, "punishing" him? Because that's what I was talking about, not a curfew.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 18:03

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:57

So how do we even up the imbalance so women have more protection and are safer?

At least I'm making a suggestion.

Anyone got any other bright ideas that could lead to real change right now?

We could start by making sure men who actually commit crimes are held accountable for them, ie by looking at how we can ensure more men who commit rapes are actually convicted. A curfew wouldn't change that one jot.

invisiblecat · 19/08/2024 18:02

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:57

So how do we even up the imbalance so women have more protection and are safer?

At least I'm making a suggestion.

Anyone got any other bright ideas that could lead to real change right now?

Put more Bobbies on the beat. When was the last time anyone saw a police constable on foot patrol?

Plzdontaskmyname · 19/08/2024 18:02

Those who think this suggestion is punishing the innocent for the actions of the guilty - what do you think about the parallel suggestions from the other side that if women don't want to be attacked, we should restrict our movements? What about those long lists of rape prevention tips like "don't wear your hair in a ponytail because it's easy for an assailant to grab" that go around the Internet once in a while? Are those punishing the innocent (women) for the actions of the guilty? Or is it ok that women are effectively under curfew in many areas?

ThisCalmUser · 19/08/2024 18:02

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SallyWD · 19/08/2024 18:02

I've been attacked three times in my life. All three times by women! Sorry but your idea is ridiculous.

BlackShuck3 · 19/08/2024 18:02

The subset of men that constitute 'bad men' are a huge problem for all societies.
It seems to me that once they get past a certain stage they are too far gone and cant be reformed.
I think the only solution is for men to step up and be good role models/fathers/parental figures for young men. There are men who step up and do that, but not enough.

watchingsmurfs · 19/08/2024 18:00

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 17:52

And if your son was walking behind me on a darkened street, I'd still be afraid. Doesn't matter how lovely his mum thinks he is 🙄

Perhaps this is something you should spend your time working instead of spouting this ridiculous tripe on mumsnet.

Disclaimer - my response to the OP in no way reflects my feeling towards women who have suffered abuse by men. Abusers deserve to be punished, the whole male population does not.

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 18:00

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 17:56

Men are allowed to walk the fucking streets!

I know they are, what's your point?

watchingsmurfs · 19/08/2024 18:00

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 17:52

And if your son was walking behind me on a darkened street, I'd still be afraid. Doesn't matter how lovely his mum thinks he is 🙄

Perhaps this is something you should spend your time working instead of spouting this ridiculous tripe on mumsnet.

Disclaimer - my response to the OP in no way reflects my feeling towards women who have suffered abuse by men. Abusers deserve to be punished, the whole male population does not.

Deipara · 19/08/2024 18:00

ExtraOnions · 19/08/2024 17:58

Violent Criminals are mostly men, as are sexual criminals, drug dealers, gang members, thieves, dangerous drivers etc etc etc.

Men seem to be in no hurray to solve the problems caused by thier sex - all you get is a load of wet “It’s not all men” apologists.

Men need to own the behaviour of thier sex, and acknowledge that they are part of the problem.

“but my son’s not like that” .. in front of you maybe, get him with his mates, drunk, or worse .. then see how it is.

I think a male curfew would be blissful

No, not all men are part of the problem. My husband has stepped in when a woman was being attacked by her husband. Most men are not a danger to women and I'm sure most would help a woman in need.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 17:59

Theotherone234 · 19/08/2024 17:57

it says a lot about the world when men take going out alone at night for granted, yet women need to have safeguards like male curfews 😪😪

Even if it was possible, there would be loads of men self identifying as women to get around the rules

I wondered how long it would be before someone used this thread as an excuse to trans bash 🙄

noworklifebalance · 19/08/2024 17:59

Ha! I knew there would a string of NAMALT and the predictable “what about my son”
(and I say this as a mother of a lovely son, sister of a lovely brother and wife of a lovely husband).
Of course it is about all men.

ExtraOnions · 19/08/2024 17:58

Violent Criminals are mostly men, as are sexual criminals, drug dealers, gang members, thieves, dangerous drivers etc etc etc.

Men seem to be in no hurray to solve the problems caused by thier sex - all you get is a load of wet “It’s not all men” apologists.

Men need to own the behaviour of thier sex, and acknowledge that they are part of the problem.

“but my son’s not like that” .. in front of you maybe, get him with his mates, drunk, or worse .. then see how it is.

I think a male curfew would be blissful

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 17:58

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 17:52

And if your son was walking behind me on a darkened street, I'd still be afraid. Doesn't matter how lovely his mum thinks he is 🙄

It isn't his fault you're afraid though. It's not fair to punish an innocent person for your fear.

If nothing else, this is completely counter to how justice works in a decent society - punishing people who've done nothing wrong because they happen to share a social class with people who have. It also wouldn't actually have a significant impact on levels of violence because attacks from strangers, while obviously awful when they happen, are relatively rare. Most violence against women is perpetrated by men they know in private homes. It would actually be safer for women to make all the men go out for one night a week while they stay at home.

Theotherone234 · 19/08/2024 17:57

it says a lot about the world when men take going out alone at night for granted, yet women need to have safeguards like male curfews 😪😪

Even if it was possible, there would be loads of men self identifying as women to get around the rules

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:57

So how do we even up the imbalance so women have more protection and are safer?

At least I'm making a suggestion.

Anyone got any other bright ideas that could lead to real change right now?

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ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 17:56

GoldViper · 19/08/2024 17:52

And if your son was walking behind me on a darkened street, I'd still be afraid. Doesn't matter how lovely his mum thinks he is 🙄

Men are allowed to walk the fucking streets!

BlackShuck3 · 19/08/2024 17:56

@twojumps It's an interesting thought experiment!