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To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

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noworklifebalance · 19/08/2024 18:33

notanotheronenow · 19/08/2024 18:27

Have you not heard the saying "face your fears"? I walk around the city where I live alone at 1am and think nothing of it. It's all mindset. The more you do something the less scary it becomes.

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This sounds lovely but I don’t they would really care about a woman or girl’s mindset.

5128gap · 19/08/2024 18:33

Personally I would prefer to see deterrents in the form of much harsher penalties, and perpetrators dealt with as speedily as we've seen the rioters dispatched the last week or so.
I'd like to see more women only events for those who wanted them and subsidies for women who wanted to start women focused business, like female only taxi firms for example. Women only train carriages may be an option on the late night services.
I'd also like to see an end to the NAMALTing and whataboutery. It just distracts us, when we should just be able to acknowledge the problem of bad men, and have a discussion about what might be done about them, without people trying to hide them behind good men and violent women.

LoneHydrangea · 19/08/2024 18:33

It is the school holidays...🙄

JabbaTheBeachHut · 19/08/2024 18:32

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/08/2024 18:31

It's obvious to me that the OP was suggesting a thought experiment. Not something that could be done in reality but a question get us to think differently about what we accept as "normal".

With that in mind, what is really interesting is seeing how the idea that men might be inconvenienced by having to stay home because of the actions of (other) men has triggered cries of "ridiculous tripe" , "it's not fair", "punishing the innocent", and most interestingly "what about their jobs?".

Because every night, for hundreds, thousands of years, all over the world, women, not all women, not all of the time, but plenty of women, plenty of the time are already restricted by the need to avoid being alone in some public places at night, are not doing things they'd like to do or not applying for certain jobs because they do not feel safe travelling to and from them, because of the actions of these (other) men. And that is just ... "normal". Apparently no one can do anything about it because that might restrict innocent men. So hey-ho, what you can you do, and the women continue to stay at home or stick to the safe spaces.

Seems it's only "ridiculous", "unfair", "punishing the innocent" when it's suggested that men might be limited by (other) men.

It's obvious to me that the OP was suggesting a thought experiment. Not something that could be done in reality but a question get us to think differently about what we accept as "normal".

I can only imagine you haven't read her subsequent posts then?

JessiesHuman · 19/08/2024 18:32

JessiesHuman · 19/08/2024 18:29

I really get the sentiment (having done some 'reclaim the night' marches at Uni and being a feminist). But no, this isn't right. Curtailing their rights to secure our safety may sound right - but it's not.

Edited to say - it actually doesn't sound right.

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And seeing as most violence happens within the home, I'm not sure what this would achieve.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/08/2024 18:32

Are you just going to ignore the fact that by doing this you’d likely see a rise is male violence OP?

Rather than ask us what’s the alternative from
your unrealistic and frankly ridiculous OP, what alternative to you suggest?

This is not only unrealistic, it’s also deadly to a working society.

starlight48 · 19/08/2024 18:32

We might want to rethink women only carriages on trains....

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:31

notanotheronenow · 19/08/2024 18:27

Have you not heard the saying "face your fears"? I walk around the city where I live alone at 1am and think nothing of it. It's all mindset. The more you do something the less scary it becomes.

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unfortunately, it is not all mindset if you get dragged into the bushes and raped at 1am

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/08/2024 18:31

watchingsmurfs · 19/08/2024 18:00

Perhaps this is something you should spend your time working instead of spouting this ridiculous tripe on mumsnet.

Disclaimer - my response to the OP in no way reflects my feeling towards women who have suffered abuse by men. Abusers deserve to be punished, the whole male population does not.

It's obvious to me that the OP was suggesting a thought experiment. Not something that could be done in reality but a question get us to think differently about what we accept as "normal".

With that in mind, what is really interesting is seeing how the idea that men might be inconvenienced by having to stay home because of the actions of (other) men has triggered cries of "ridiculous tripe" , "it's not fair", "punishing the innocent", and most interestingly "what about their jobs?".

Because every night, for hundreds, thousands of years, all over the world, women, not all women, not all of the time, but plenty of women, plenty of the time are already restricted by the need to avoid being alone in some public places at night, are not doing things they'd like to do or not applying for certain jobs because they do not feel safe travelling to and from them, because of the actions of these (other) men. And that is just ... "normal". Apparently no one can do anything about it because that might restrict innocent men. So hey-ho, what you can you do, and the women continue to stay at home or stick to the safe spaces.

Seems it's only "ridiculous", "unfair", "punishing the innocent" when it's suggested that men might be limited by (other) men.

housethatbuiltme · 19/08/2024 18:30

I'm a woman, I have been attacked twice in random violent attacks while walking the home alone BOTH times where by other WOMEN.

When I have been randomly insulted in the street or threatened on nights out it has always been by women too.

I have no real fear of men when out walking.

Yes some men are asshole (my old neighbor was a particularly nasty one but it was very easy to get a no contact order) but overall I have found them far less likely to aggressively attack out of absoloutly nowhere than women are (especially when you introduce group mentality and/or alcohol).

Frith2013 · 19/08/2024 18:30

How would my son get to work?

Amberpants · 19/08/2024 18:30

FFS what about lovely gentle men like my DH and DS

Fedupmumofadultsons · 19/08/2024 18:29

What a goady stupid Post oh I want my daughters and myself to walk about without pesky males for a night .but you needed one of those pesky males to have your daughters 🙄 .we need to teach boys from children on the kind of behaviour we would like to see .but no matter what we do nasty men and woman are always going to be out there and a free night for us is only a massive signal to the perverts you would actually be encouraging these folk because mainly young woman would just be bait without law abiding men to protect them on said night .could your idea get anymore stupid

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 19/08/2024 18:29

@bingobanjo exactly this!

AngryLikeHades · 19/08/2024 18:29

Even if that were to become legal, how the hell would it be enforced?
Crazy idea.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 18:29

twojumps · 19/08/2024 18:12

I'm not saying my suggestion is perfect but it's at least trying to make all women's lives better.

I started a thread recently asking if you've ever called the police and why. It was 99% for male violence in the street.

Honestly, something has to change. Women have to be made safer.

Forcing men to stay AT HOME where MOST violence happens would not help ALL women at all!

It would put those women at FAR more risk

But of course you won't listen to that

JessiesHuman · 19/08/2024 18:29

I really get the sentiment (having done some 'reclaim the night' marches at Uni and being a feminist). But no, this isn't right. Curtailing their rights to secure our safety may sound right - but it's not.

Edited to say - it actually doesn't sound right.

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:29

WolabiMe · 19/08/2024 18:26

Not a realistic idea OP but OMG how wonderful it would be. I’d go for a long walk in the countryside by myself. That would be bliss not to be scared of what could happen

So dreamy. The other week in a strange city I found myself on a beautiful deserted path by a river. I walked down it and spent about 20 seconds thinking about how bucolic it was and how happy I was to have found it.

And then the niggle of fear reared its head. That there was no way off of the path if a man was to approach me. Then I just felt on edge and sad I couldn’t enjoy it.

I knew the chance of something happening was very slim. And indeed nothing did happen. But I was checking behind and in front of me repeatedly and clutching my phone at all times.

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Yep, that is how I would feel too. It is so unfair that we have to live this way.

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 19/08/2024 18:29

Quite aside from the fact that not every man is a violent rapist, how do you propose to make this work.

Close all the shops/hospitals/police stations, and well, every baby boy is going to be a man one day so nothing male is allowed out.

And if they fall ill then they’ll die anyway because there won’t enough paramedics or hospital staff because many of them are men, but the ill men will just die anyway because they’re not allowed to go to hospital on Monday nights.

Probably best for them to stay home and beat up their wives instead eh?

utterly stupid idea.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 18:28

Growsomeballswoman · 19/08/2024 18:25

No male barstaff, taxi drivers, uber drivers, train drivers. These are predominantly male roles. If women go out alone, where are they going to go? Sounds great fun

Even if we had gender equality across all workforces - which obviously we don't- it would still mean the workforce dropping by half for a night every week. It would either be carnage - emergency services stretched too thin, taxis and public transport services halved, impossible to actually have a good night out because everywhere is short-staffed. Or no women would actually get to enjoy their one night a week because they'd all have to take on second jobs.

saltycashew · 19/08/2024 18:28

I still can't believe OP has suggested such a ridiculous idea.

Think about it from a business point of view.
No men in the pubs or restaurants, no men allowed to take their dogs for a walk or go out to enjoy a football match. No men in clubs, shows or concerts, or keeping the streets tidy in the middle of the night to collect the rubbish. No date nights for women. Men can't celebrate their birthdays in the evening if it falls on a curfew night.

This is just so stupid it's comical. And then watch how women would be up in arms because a man would want to try and introduce a night where all women had to have a curfew as not to entice men to rape, murder or abuse them because - you know, that's what they all do at night. They'd say they have women's best interest in mind to keep us safe.....

That wouldn't go down very well now would it 😵‍💫

DoIWantTo · 19/08/2024 18:27

And watch how quickly the rights of women are taken away again in the interest and safety of society. Idiotic to even suggest it.

ramsayboltonshounds · 19/08/2024 18:27

No, thanks. I'd rather not punish the majority for the actions of a few.

JabbaTheBeachHut · 19/08/2024 18:27

twojumps · 19/08/2024 18:19

@JabbaTheBeachHut

Give me your suggestions then? How do we reduce or end male violence?

I don't know, this is not my line of work, hence the reason I wouldn't start a thread making silly suggestions.

What I do know is (and I'm surprised you don't) is that domestic violence rocketed during lockdown.

How do you feel about that OP?

notanotheronenow · 19/08/2024 18:27

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:52

So what do we do? Just live with it?

Have you not heard the saying "face your fears"? I walk around the city where I live alone at 1am and think nothing of it. It's all mindset. The more you do something the less scary it becomes.