To suggest a male curfew one night a week

@Iwasafool
I had the same thoughts. And also, how easy it would be to forge said licenses and for 'non-licensed' men to get a pass to be out.

If this is clickbait - I've been suitably baited - you want to curtail the freedom of my DP, brother, brother in law, son, nephews, my 16 year old Ukrainian guest, my neighbours 4 lovely sons, my DCs friends and class mates and teachers, my local shop keepers ... and so on... all because SOME people misbehave..

@listsandbudgets you do realise that statistically 15% of these people ‘misbehave’ so let’s say you’re talking about roughly 100 people in the group you’ve identified. 15 of them will commit VAWG.

This. I’m really surprised MN has let this thread stand.

Like Wayne Couzens. Brilliant idea.

you do know that woman also attack other woman don't you? and you do know that not all men are violent beasts?

what a ridiculous notion

Errrrrr

18-25 year olds are a huge group of those working late nights as bar staff, packing crews, fast food staff, shitty construction...

I just can't see how it would work.

I'm not sure having one night where only the predatory men are out and about is a good thing. Surely that would make women more vulnerable, not less?

Not blaming all men and pointing out women are also violent isn't ignoring the issues...

This has to be the most brainless OP I've ever read on here. I've barely got down the first page and numerous suggestions have been given as to why it's stupid. Not least this one

What about the fact it would essentially TRAP abused women at home with abusive men angry about the discriminatory rule? Where they are more likely to be abused than a woman on the street?

Then of course there's all the anger it will cause men, who'll then blame women for y, and we'll end up with even more misogynists who'll use their 'not allowed out' evenings to tune into Andrew Tate for the first time, and suddenly think 'maybe he's right'.

Never said they were - I suggested it as a solution to OPs desire to segregate the sexes she can join a convent

My son is 12. I do not want him to grow up in a society in which people appear to assume him to be violent and abusive AND to propose punishments (and yes that's what curfew is) just on the supposition he might be.

My DD is 18. She prefers to go out in mixed groups - she feels safe and comfortable with her friends and would be horrified that some of the people on this thread think that many of her friends should be punished for their Y chromosome.

If this is clickbait - I've been suitably baited - you want to curtail the freedom of my DP, brother, brother in law, son, nephews, my 16 year old Ukrainian guest, my neighbours 4 lovely sons, my DCs friends and class mates and teachers, my local shop keepers ... and so on... all because SOME people misbehave..

Vile misandry very sad to see it on mumsnet

Its an interesting thought experiment. If men were under curfew or magically dissappeared altogether the criminal/power vacuum will be filled by other women. This idea that with no men about it would result in crime free safe streets is nonsense. Sexual crimes would be virtually nil but there are plenty of scumbag women out there who will happily mug you for your mobile or handbag, sell drugs or get into fights at kick out time.

here's another thought experiment for you

would there be more resources to solve societal problems if

people kept posting pointless thought experiments on forums
people did useful things

Well said.

I have a theory that if a man knows not to say something in front of his wife/daughter/mother then he knows it's inappropriate. Throwaway comments that make a woman feel uncomfortable are of course very different from sexual violence. However, the good and decent men still do it even though they know it's not on. Just because we don't witness our male relatives doing it doesn't mean they don't.

Violence to women creases at times like Xmas when men are at home more . Not sure locking them in with women is the solution.

I do remember reading something that a university had a high number of sexual assaults the solution was to recommend women stay in after 6pm. A group of women suggested men stay in. This was rejected as it infringed on men's human rights

Yes, although statistically male violence against women (and against men) is higher than female violence, there is an issue of female violence against women. Maybe less common but it still shouldn't ignored because it being less common is of no help or consolation for any victims of it.

All violence needs to be tackled - but in effective and sensible ways. That costs money but imo a safer society is worth it (and longer term it saves money because violent crime has massive financial cost on society).

I’m not a man. I used it. Because that’s what it is. If someone had posted something even half as misogynistic as this thread is misandrist it would have been taken down by now

explain really simply how this thread - the original post and subsequent discussion is misandrist? I can’t see any way it could be construed as so.

4 MILLION MEN are perpetrators of VAwG in the UK.

15% of men.

Of course that means 85% aren’t but I wouldn’t say it’s a tiny minority that engage in it.

However 85% majority should be able to stamp out VAWG from their current positions of power if they put their minds to it.

Why would your lovely sons and husbands not support staying in one night a week so women can feel safe?

That’s not suggesting they’re evil - rather the opposite really

No one is grouping all men in the same way but 98% of all prisoners in jail for physical and sexual assaults are male. Male violence is a huge problem in every ruddy country on earth. Here in the UK rates of sexual and physical assault by men against women are rising:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/14/violence-against-women-on-uk-trains-rises-by-50-in-two-years

It's really about time that decent men, men with wives and daughters and mothers, stood up for women and didn't stand back and 'I'm not one of those bad men, this is nothing to do with me.' It is. It's to do with us all. Women have been protesting and trying ti influence governments for hundreds of years. It's time men started supporting women. Though given how many women here don't support women, I'm not going to hold my breath.

My first thought was ‘But the law breaking, violent men, won’t heed it anyway’.
My second thought was ‘But at least they’d be easier to spot’

Is anyone else old enough to remember that women were told to self curfew during the Yorkshire Ripper attacks, and the resulting Reclaim The Night marches? Might be nice for it to be men who are censored instead of women having to self curfew as a matter of course, for fear of their safety.

What would help is tackling root causes of increased breakdown in society and increased violent crime. That requires tackling poverty and the lack of well-funded (and good) public services

Agree that this needs to be done but how long do we need to wait for this to happen and then take effect?

Im sorry to say this but have you considered going to therapy? Because that’s just not healthy.

As others have said you’re more likely to be attacked in your own home and by someone you know.

A bit like the Jewish Kapos in the Nazi concentration camps.

Presumably female police officers?? Along with the female prison officers staffing the male prisons by themselves. Sounds ...... ideal. 👍🏻🙄

It’s akin to white people calling out racist comments by other white people - the impact is greater for the transgressor than if a black person were to do it.

It’s also not laughing along with locker room jokes, walking along the same side of the road as a lone woman. All the microaggressions as well as the overt ones

Oooh, WDIT. Well done you.

Men with a special government issued lanyard, and a high viz jacket with 'keyworker' on the back?