To suggest a male curfew one night a week

Oh god yes, BargingOnBy, do seek therapy won’t you? It’s definitely your fault for not being more mentally robust than the, quite logical, fear of violence from unknown men, that’s the problem. FFS.

I have always walked my dogs, for miles, along the quiet and remote north Kent Coast and the adjoining farmland. More than once I’ve seen a lone man in the distance and my hackles have gone up, and I’ve tried to get back to my car as soon as humanly possible. Once a man literally ‘followed’ me whilst I was on a farm track and he was on the parallel sea wall - which are about 100 hundred metres apart maybe. We were the only two humans visible for miles. I just got a weird feeling about him. Instead of watching the cost line for birds as is usual for lone people there he was facing me and if I went left for a while, so did he. I stopped and went right, he stopped and went right. I was shit scared, no phone signal, alone. I basically left the farm track and entered the field and tried to run though it as fast as possible back to the car park, I couldn’t see what he was doing at the time but hoped he was following the sea wall which would give me a bit more time than him.

I haven’t walked that route alone since.

An acquaintance of mine, Claire Knights, was murdered in the same area a short while ago by a lone, unknown, man whilst she was walking her dog. I wonder if you’ve even heard of her? No, I won’t be seeking therapy for any fear I have, you absolute flan.

But yes, you think you're being funny. You're not, staying home every night is in fact the alternative for many women who just don't feel safe walking on their own, or travelling by train, or even in mini-cabs. That is reality for some of us. It has been for me since I was in my teens (I'm old enought to be invisible now, but it was an unpleasant fact of life for me for about 25 years). It's really not funny to be frightened of walking home on your own from a station or a city centre late at night when there are no taxis or lifts available. A woman's quality of life is affected and restricted because of men being on the streets.

So you're implying theres nothing that can be done?
Of course there is. But men need to change their own culture.

How about sport? Rugby versus Football. Both very macho, with passionate supporters, both have alcohol featuring heavily.
Entirely different cultures. Zero trouble at one, fans constantly causing problems at the other.

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

?? Sorry I don't understand. Is female not in the dictionary any longer?

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

Listen, this is a hypothetical discussion, it's never going to happen ever. So there's no point answering another hypothetical challenge. Chill.

Done it. It's 98%.

@nocoolnamesleft

Ridiculous!

You are deluded..

@Everyoneesleistheproblem what do you think the nice men should do about it?
I find that absolutely ridiculous that decent good men need to fight the battle for those rotten ones. What exactly do you think they should do? Provide some realistic example?

@Differentstarts we’re not taking about violent crime, which is a myriad of things. We’re talking specifically VAWG.

If you’re afraid to go out OP you can always stay at home every night!

My vote is that men who refer to women as "females" sound like Ferengi and we don't really need for them to rock up and tell us what we should want and what is good for us.

This wouldn’t end, or even reduce, male violence. Violent men aren’t prevented from abusing their victims by lack of opportunities to find women on the street. And think of all those poor women trapped at home with an abusive partner who is prevented from going out by a curfew and only has her to vent his rage on.

And then think of the way this would be twisted. A curfew wouldn’t do anything to resolve things like victim blaming, so if a woman was assaulted on a non-curfew night how many people would say ‘what was she doing out anyway? She should have waited for curfew to go for a walk at 10pm’. How many women would start to limit their own activities on non-curfew nights for fear of being blamed for something happening while they were out with men around?

The real solution is much harder, broader and deeper. It’s a start that Labour have announced that misogyny is going to be treated as a form of extremism going forward; we need to tackle the insidious influence of people like Andrew Tate. We need comprehensive education in schools on the VAWAG epidemic and how boys and men can prevent it. We need police reform so that survivors are believed and conviction rates improved.

I had this conversation with someone DH's other day. My preference would be for female only towns housing estates where only women and children could live. Totally impractical as how would you ever enforce it, but it would be nice. Totally sick of males dominating space and the amount of noise they make.

So what happens when your daughter gets hurt and hospitals are closed because their isn't enough staff because the men are at home what happens if a woman attacks her but their isn't enough police officers because the men are at home.

I'm not your personal Google you have a phone in your hand to

What about if your daughters needed urgent medical attention ,but couldn't get it as there were only female staff on duty so not enough staff , or your house caught fire and there were not enough female fire officers to put it out
Or if your daughters couldn't get a taxi or bus home because most drivers are male and at home?

What percentage of that 80 % of male crime is committed against women and what percentage is committed against men?

Do you have the numbers on sexual violence?

I had this conversation with someone DH's other day. My preference would be for female only towns housing estates where only women and children could live. Totally impractical as how would you ever enforce it, but it would be nice. Totally sick of males dominating space and the amount of noise they make.

I am SO glad that majority on this thread think it's a stupid idea

But where has the OP gone???