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To suspect my neighbour killed my cat

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Mani2024 · 18/08/2024 22:56

Three years ago we moved to our new house. Day one we met one of our neighbours and he asks whether we have a cat because he hates them. We didn’t at that point but we had planned to get one as we and our children really wanted one. neighbour begged us not too even though there are many many cat in the area. We reluctantly agreed to keep the peace but after a terrible year with lots of heartache we decided it was non of his business and got two kittens.

When he found out we had cats he made a passive aggressive comment to my six year old child about how one of the cats in particular had been in his garden and on his bird table. Some months later I heard our cats squealing. I thought they found themselves in a fight with another cat so called out to stop it but turned out to be my neighbour doing something to them to get them out of his garden. He said they were stalking his bird house.

We tried to settle things down with him, said feel free to spray them with water if they come over, we would look into a fence with a slope and if they ever mess in his garden (which they doubt they had as they still used litter trays) he could put over the fence with a spade. That conversation went well but he did say he’d killed a cat previously because it had chased a bird and that the killing had been unintentional.

fast forward some weeks and one of our kittens was found at the end of the road dead in the road with a sever head injury. This is the cat that both neighbours had said was the main culprit of jumping on their bird tables. Initially I was extremely upset and couldn’t think clearly but after a week or so I remembered that morning I had heard a cat scream that was worse than you would usually hear and had looked out my window to see what was going on. My husband saw my neighbour around that time walking up the road away from where she was later found and when asked what he was up to today said he was going for a long walk. I saw the neighbour in his garden briefly a week later, when our eyes met he went straight back into his house which is unusual as he usually chats to me. Generally he has been quite friendly apart from the issue with the cats.

i have spoken to my husband and a few friends about this and generally the consensus is that I’m overthinking and that this theory is just generally wild. Im
absolutely convinced he killed her and placed her at the end of the road to make it look like she got run over. Then again, I’m so desperately upset by it all that I’m not sure if the grief is clouding my judgement

OP posts:
Lorrymum · 19/08/2024 12:44

How horribly stressful for you. I can't even begin to imagine how you are felling. People feel justified when it comes to neighbours cats. I would contact the police.
Many years ago we moved into our new home with our two cats. They used indoor litter trays and seldom set foot outside. Two weeks later I remember the shock of coming home from work and finding cat poo spread all over our door step. A note was placed on top pointing out that cat poo carried toxoplasmosis and warning us to ensure our cats didn't stray to their garden..Pretty difficult when the coward didn't leave a name or address.

Omeleto2024 · 19/08/2024 12:35

Anyone trying to compare a cat killing birds to a monstrous psychopath slaughtering a pet should be avoided at all costs.

Anyone who is not horrified by humans slaughtering beloved pets is not a person who is safe to spend time with.

A vile, terrifying nutcase almost certainly lives next door to you.

That's not an exaggeration. I am not joking when I say you should move house.
And for God's sake keep your cat inside and your kids well, well away from this lunatic.

If he killed your cat - and he probably did - he is definitely capable of harming a human.

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Jackolanterny · 19/08/2024 12:34

SummerSplashing · 19/08/2024 09:49

It was not intended to be shocking....

One day, a different neighbour found it under their dining table, where one of their cats was gnawing on its head

no of course it wasn't. Dont apologise for me being offended, either apologise or don't fir being gratuitously graphic.

you don't need that degree of graphic detail to make your point.

Not to mention the rabbit was in the owners home (which the garden is part of). However, cats, like foxes have the right to roam, so I personally would have a rabbit or guinea pig etc, free roaming in my garden.

Ok, I take back my apology as you are being daft and over the top.

‘Delight’ in my description? There was no description. I’m actually tempted to write a description so you can see the difference, but I’ll refrain.

The rabbit was in its owners garden and later found in a neighbour’s house. It had been brought to a different house by a neighbours cat who had ‘roamed’ into that garden. Pets allowed outside are at risk and this is at the discretion of the owner, and therefore the owner’s responsibility.

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 12:29

Mani2024 · 19/08/2024 12:11

@henlake7 we didn’t know he killed a cat until long after we got one. Of course we wouldn’t have got cats knowing he was a cat killer!

this neighbour also complains about other things. He didn’t like it when I had the dead wood taken out of one of big trees at the back of the garden, he doesn’t like that we have diesel car, he doesn’t like the fact that we had someone come over to fix a fence because the sound of this disturbed his bird watching even though the broken fence had to be sorted to keep our kids safe (there is a big drop at the end of our garden). He made comments about us going away on holiday more than once a year (I’ll add that these holidays were Uk camping based not overseas by plane before people send venomous comments about that, not that it’s anyone’s business). He’s complained to me about the previous owners dogs.

there was a definite theme going on but at no point did any of this make me think ‘cat killer’ so no I didn’t bring cats into my home thinking they might be harmed by him

Unfortunately these types of neighbours are common. Sad but true

None of what he’s complained about is justified. You have not done anything wrong.

Unfortunately, this type of neighbour will also take a mile if you give him an inch. The trying to be nice to keep the peace approach doesn't work with these people.

Next time he complains about anything you’re doing / have done just stop him abruptly in his tracks and ask him to please put his full complaint in writing to you.

Receiving repeated frivolous complaints like this is a type of harassment.

I really do feel for you, it sounds stressful

I would definitely contact the police about your cat too.

catswithbowties · 19/08/2024 12:28

Mani2024 · 19/08/2024 12:11

@henlake7 we didn’t know he killed a cat until long after we got one. Of course we wouldn’t have got cats knowing he was a cat killer!

this neighbour also complains about other things. He didn’t like it when I had the dead wood taken out of one of big trees at the back of the garden, he doesn’t like that we have diesel car, he doesn’t like the fact that we had someone come over to fix a fence because the sound of this disturbed his bird watching even though the broken fence had to be sorted to keep our kids safe (there is a big drop at the end of our garden). He made comments about us going away on holiday more than once a year (I’ll add that these holidays were Uk camping based not overseas by plane before people send venomous comments about that, not that it’s anyone’s business). He’s complained to me about the previous owners dogs.

there was a definite theme going on but at no point did any of this make me think ‘cat killer’ so no I didn’t bring cats into my home thinking they might be harmed by him

Sounds like lots of little things that would make me anxious about him if he was my neighbour tbh. And I don't think it's unreasonable in light of all of this as well as him admitting to "accidentally" killing a cat to suspect he might have had something to do with the death of yours (I'm so sorry btw) and want to find out. YANBU

This sort of thing, amongst various other reasons, is exactly why I keep my cats indoors with safe outdoor access (Omlet cat pen or supervised on harness). I don't trust other people and there are so many possibilities for accidents, whether it's cars, dogs or wildlife etc. I hope your other cat stays safe x

Jackolanterny · 19/08/2024 12:15

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 19/08/2024 08:00

That’s not environmental damage. It’s nature 🤦‍♀️

It isn’t nature. It’s more environmental damage caused by humans.

We breed huge numbers of domesticated cats and dogs (not nature) and release cats in particular into the wilds of our towns and villages.

Domestic cats are not a natural native species but they do a lot of damage to our natural native species.

So this is environmental damage…but it is humans again.

Mani2024 · 19/08/2024 12:11

@henlake7 we didn’t know he killed a cat until long after we got one. Of course we wouldn’t have got cats knowing he was a cat killer!

this neighbour also complains about other things. He didn’t like it when I had the dead wood taken out of one of big trees at the back of the garden, he doesn’t like that we have diesel car, he doesn’t like the fact that we had someone come over to fix a fence because the sound of this disturbed his bird watching even though the broken fence had to be sorted to keep our kids safe (there is a big drop at the end of our garden). He made comments about us going away on holiday more than once a year (I’ll add that these holidays were Uk camping based not overseas by plane before people send venomous comments about that, not that it’s anyone’s business). He’s complained to me about the previous owners dogs.

there was a definite theme going on but at no point did any of this make me think ‘cat killer’ so no I didn’t bring cats into my home thinking they might be harmed by him

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Jackolanterny · 19/08/2024 12:10

Katemax82 · 19/08/2024 07:10

To everyone moaning that cats shouldn't roam free,..it's what they do IT CANT BE CONTROLLED!

This is untrue. Cats can very successfully be kept as house cats and gardens can be cat proofed.

It is an expense to do this, but if you have angled fencing that extends in towards the garden and it is wide enough and not made of sturdy material, the cat will be unable to climb over it.

Plenty of people cat proof their garden to keep in pedigree animals and go on to be able to love those pets for many years. I’m not sure why you think this is not possible?

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 11:53

PiIIock · 19/08/2024 11:10

@ScrubbedCauliflower oh you see it in your mysterious job? I believe you. Who pays you to deal with bird disputes, not the taxpayer, I hope?

Not really bothered if you believe me or not. But you’re giving my colleagues and I a right laugh at your expense it certainly has cheered up our Monday morning.

The next client who believes they know the law because they read it on Mumsnet will be contacting us shortly we’re sure.

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 11:18

tinklingchimes · 19/08/2024 11:06

I do live rurally but not in the UK. Definitely don't see wild game on any menus.

Not sure where you are then, but it’s a practice that goes back here forever and is also common across Europe. Oh and I forgot Wood Pigeon.

reallyworriedjobhunter · 19/08/2024 11:10

Have you spoken to the police? If I thought my neighbour was killing animals that is the first thing I would do.

But honestly, the neighbour seems unhinged and I wouldn't get cats while living next to someone like that.

PiIIock · 19/08/2024 11:10

@ScrubbedCauliflower oh you see it in your mysterious job? I believe you. Who pays you to deal with bird disputes, not the taxpayer, I hope?

OhmygodDont · 19/08/2024 11:09

I mean this man told you he had accidentally killed a cat before and that he hates cats.

I would have built a catio or got the garden cat fenced to keep your cats in. I still would now.

However honestly right now I wouldn’t be going around asking for peoples cctv. Because even if you see him putting the cat there, that’s not proof he did anything to it. He could just claim it was dead in a bush and he moved it to the road to be spotted.

Your neighbour is still going to be your shitty neighbour. Priority should be keeping your remaining cat safe.

tinklingchimes · 19/08/2024 11:06

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 11:03

You clearly don’t live very rurally. Where I live in the U.K., it’s perfectly normal to see wild pheasant, guinea fowl, quail and partridge on the menus of local pubs and restaurants. Our local pub’s owner regularly obtains what’s on the menu in wild shoots (inc venison). The latest wild menu kills are then announced on the pub’s socials. He has all the relevant licenses. Shoots of wild birds for personal consumption are organised every year in the season too. We live in the South West of England

I do live rurally but not in the UK. Definitely don't see wild game on any menus.

Poppysmom22 · 19/08/2024 11:04

Ffs you let your animals be a nuisance to everyone around you take some responsibility your actions got your cat killed keep it indoors and hey presto problem solved my neighbours cat shits under my tree every fucking day I take it and put in in the plant pot by her front door it absolutely stinks - you want the animal but you don’t want to take responsibility for it.

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 11:03

tinklingchimes · 19/08/2024 10:14

People don't eat wild birds though, just ones bred for the purpose. Unless someone hunts ducks, I suppose.

You clearly don’t live very rurally. Where I live in the U.K., it’s perfectly normal to see wild pheasant, guinea fowl, quail and partridge on the menus of local pubs and restaurants. Our local pub’s owner regularly obtains what’s on the menu in wild shoots (inc venison). The latest wild menu kills are then announced on the pub’s socials. He has all the relevant licenses. Shoots of wild birds for personal consumption are organised every year in the season too. We live in the South West of England

henlake7 · 19/08/2024 11:02

Im confused as to why you would get cats knowing your neighbour actively hated them and killed a previous cat without setting up a safe space for them first. Surely you had ample opportunity to cat proof your garden or set up a catio?
Its like letting your cat free roam when you live next to a busy road....then being shocked when they get run over!

Im sorry for your loss OP but you should of kept your cats safe IMO.

Butteredtoast55 · 19/08/2024 10:41

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 19/08/2024 10:35

Good idea but just tell them your cat was killed and you want to know how it happened.

Doesn't need to be about getting run over or anything about a neighbour. Could be a fox, or it fell out of a tree.

Lots of people like cats so will only be too happy to help

Edited

This is a sensible response. If there is footage and it shows him placing the cat there, 100% go to the police.
If there is footage that shows the cat being hit by a car or being killed some other way, you need to let it go. And perhaps consider that, as you mention neighbours in the plural saying this was the one that was mostly on bird tables and you then know has been killed on the road, you need to make your garden more secure for your cats.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 19/08/2024 10:35

NoBodyIdRatherBe · 19/08/2024 08:11

Go and ask for the ring doorbell footage. Tell them your cat was run over and you want to see what happened. If he killed the cat and you get proof don’t put it on Facebook. He’ll be lynched.

Good idea but just tell them your cat was killed and you want to know how it happened.

Doesn't need to be about getting run over or anything about a neighbour. Could be a fox, or it fell out of a tree.

Lots of people like cats so will only be too happy to help

ScrubbedCauliflower · 19/08/2024 10:34

PiIIock · 19/08/2024 10:14

And how many of the same same people who, on the one hand, stand so firmly on the side of the wildlife in the cat argument will, on the other hand be happily using slug pellets, pesticides, rat poison, weed killer in their gardens.

People who care about wildlife won't be using any of these - except slug pellets which have now been modified to be wildlife friendly, the old pellets are banned Smile

Seriously, why would somebody who likes birds kill rats? Rats are also wildlife, as are foxes. Weeds can be removed manually. Copper tape and phosphate pellets work for slugs.

This 'what about' argument isn't even applied properly!

quoting an edited version of my response really isn’t helpful. Let’s include the example I gave shall we about people who purport to be bird lovers who kill rats and I know and have known several neighbours who do this. I also see it in my job all the time, which deals with property and neighbour disputes. Still you apparently know better

”We have another neighbour who has 2 bird tables and 8 bird feeders which are filled to the brim for the birds all year round. He then wonders why he has a rat infestation. So he puts down rat poison. He then wonders why he keeps finding dead hares in his garden without a mark on them and why the hedgehogs and owls seem to have disappeared. He also found a dead red kite in his garden last week.”

LunasNewTeddy · 19/08/2024 10:32

toomanydiets · 18/08/2024 23:39

I agree about the catio tbh. Whatever the rights and wrongs if you let your cat roam where you know they are actively not welcome you take some risk. My dog hates cats- he is secured in my back yard but if a cat came in it would need to run faster than him! I get that cats roam but he was very clear on his position, however disgusting it is

Wtf? His 'position' doesn't really matter. He sounds like a controlling arsehole at best and at worst........

The risks OP knew about were traffic etc, she obviously shouldn't have to think that the neighbour would kill her cat.

Your post is odd.

twinmum2007 · 19/08/2024 10:31

So sorry. Sending lots of ❤❤

I adore cats and this makes me very angry and sad for you. X

Hatfullofwillow · 19/08/2024 10:28

Notwhatuwanttohear · 18/08/2024 23:30

Really?

They kill birds, they kill rodents they kill other small animals mostly for fun.

What did you think the cat was doing on her neighbours bird table?

Bird watching?

Cats don't have a serious impact on bird or rodent numbers in the UK. Despite the many millions that they kill annually.

People tend to ignore predation by other birds and mammals, even the grey squirrel is a huge predator of birds, when making the claim that decline in numbers is due to roaming cats. For good reason, they're not responsible for species decline in the UK either.

By far the biggest threat they face is from human activity, including both habitat loss and pesticides.

It can't hurt to put a bell on your cat's collar, but it won't make a difference to overall bird numbers.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 19/08/2024 10:26

How do you unintentionally kill a cat because it chased a bird?

I can't believe you didn't keep them indoors at this point.

This whole story is nuts.

SoupDragon · 19/08/2024 10:22

SummerSplashing · 19/08/2024 09:49

It was not intended to be shocking....

One day, a different neighbour found it under their dining table, where one of their cats was gnawing on its head

no of course it wasn't. Dont apologise for me being offended, either apologise or don't fir being gratuitously graphic.

you don't need that degree of graphic detail to make your point.

Not to mention the rabbit was in the owners home (which the garden is part of). However, cats, like foxes have the right to roam, so I personally would have a rabbit or guinea pig etc, free roaming in my garden.

So offended that you quoted it again, in bold, for anyone who missed it 😂