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To suspect my neighbour killed my cat

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Mani2024 · 18/08/2024 22:56

Three years ago we moved to our new house. Day one we met one of our neighbours and he asks whether we have a cat because he hates them. We didn’t at that point but we had planned to get one as we and our children really wanted one. neighbour begged us not too even though there are many many cat in the area. We reluctantly agreed to keep the peace but after a terrible year with lots of heartache we decided it was non of his business and got two kittens.

When he found out we had cats he made a passive aggressive comment to my six year old child about how one of the cats in particular had been in his garden and on his bird table. Some months later I heard our cats squealing. I thought they found themselves in a fight with another cat so called out to stop it but turned out to be my neighbour doing something to them to get them out of his garden. He said they were stalking his bird house.

We tried to settle things down with him, said feel free to spray them with water if they come over, we would look into a fence with a slope and if they ever mess in his garden (which they doubt they had as they still used litter trays) he could put over the fence with a spade. That conversation went well but he did say he’d killed a cat previously because it had chased a bird and that the killing had been unintentional.

fast forward some weeks and one of our kittens was found at the end of the road dead in the road with a sever head injury. This is the cat that both neighbours had said was the main culprit of jumping on their bird tables. Initially I was extremely upset and couldn’t think clearly but after a week or so I remembered that morning I had heard a cat scream that was worse than you would usually hear and had looked out my window to see what was going on. My husband saw my neighbour around that time walking up the road away from where she was later found and when asked what he was up to today said he was going for a long walk. I saw the neighbour in his garden briefly a week later, when our eyes met he went straight back into his house which is unusual as he usually chats to me. Generally he has been quite friendly apart from the issue with the cats.

i have spoken to my husband and a few friends about this and generally the consensus is that I’m overthinking and that this theory is just generally wild. Im
absolutely convinced he killed her and placed her at the end of the road to make it look like she got run over. Then again, I’m so desperately upset by it all that I’m not sure if the grief is clouding my judgement

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superplumb · 20/08/2024 18:47

It sounds like he did. He sounds unhinged. Lots of people don't like cats but to intentionally hurt one is bloody sick.
Can you look at cat proofing your garden? You can get things that go ontop of fences. I wouldn't let the other cat out

MrsMrsD · 20/08/2024 18:47

Cats should be treated like dogs in my opinion. They should be on leads and not left to roam the streets leaving their crap all over my garden or leaving dead or worse half dead birds in my garden or killing my plants by spraying the pee. Your poor neighbour has probably had enough of trying to protect the birds in his garden. I would never kill a cat though.

When I was pregnant my husband was having to clear the crap out of the garden everyday. It can be dangerous to unborn babies.

Cats are a pest. They were never intended to be pets. All they do is decimate our native garden birds.

pilates · 20/08/2024 18:39

Yes I imagine he has. I believe my old neighbour killed one of mine. The police were involved but there was no proof. I would be asking neighbours for ring footage. Sorry for your loss it’s very upsetting.

Talkinrubbishagain · 20/08/2024 18:38

Firstly,I’m really sorry for you and your poor cat. That’s absolutely heartbreaking. If you really think that he killed your cat then you may wish to keep your other one as an indoor cat. You could set up a Catio and also walk the cat on a harness. This is what a number of my friends do, and it is very successful.

We spent 14 years creating a large wildlife garden. A new neighbour arrived with 5 cats. They caused devastation. It broke our hearts finding dead ,chewed up birds,voles,field mice,grass snakes, slow worms etc. Not much left now. It would help if neighbours saw you making an attempt to prevent the carnage.

Once again,I’m very sorry for such a dreadful outcome.

llizzie · 20/08/2024 18:26

Mani2024 · 18/08/2024 22:56

Three years ago we moved to our new house. Day one we met one of our neighbours and he asks whether we have a cat because he hates them. We didn’t at that point but we had planned to get one as we and our children really wanted one. neighbour begged us not too even though there are many many cat in the area. We reluctantly agreed to keep the peace but after a terrible year with lots of heartache we decided it was non of his business and got two kittens.

When he found out we had cats he made a passive aggressive comment to my six year old child about how one of the cats in particular had been in his garden and on his bird table. Some months later I heard our cats squealing. I thought they found themselves in a fight with another cat so called out to stop it but turned out to be my neighbour doing something to them to get them out of his garden. He said they were stalking his bird house.

We tried to settle things down with him, said feel free to spray them with water if they come over, we would look into a fence with a slope and if they ever mess in his garden (which they doubt they had as they still used litter trays) he could put over the fence with a spade. That conversation went well but he did say he’d killed a cat previously because it had chased a bird and that the killing had been unintentional.

fast forward some weeks and one of our kittens was found at the end of the road dead in the road with a sever head injury. This is the cat that both neighbours had said was the main culprit of jumping on their bird tables. Initially I was extremely upset and couldn’t think clearly but after a week or so I remembered that morning I had heard a cat scream that was worse than you would usually hear and had looked out my window to see what was going on. My husband saw my neighbour around that time walking up the road away from where she was later found and when asked what he was up to today said he was going for a long walk. I saw the neighbour in his garden briefly a week later, when our eyes met he went straight back into his house which is unusual as he usually chats to me. Generally he has been quite friendly apart from the issue with the cats.

i have spoken to my husband and a few friends about this and generally the consensus is that I’m overthinking and that this theory is just generally wild. Im
absolutely convinced he killed her and placed her at the end of the road to make it look like she got run over. Then again, I’m so desperately upset by it all that I’m not sure if the grief is clouding my judgement

It is reasonable to suppose that your neighbour, who had expressed hatred of cats, might have harmed the cat, but you have no evidence to prove that.

I wonder why he asked you if you had cats when you moved in, and said he hated them. When you bought the cats, perhaps he thought it was a challenge to him. He had warned you he didn't like them, and hoped you would not get one. Then you did. That is unusual. People who don't have cats rarely get one out of the blue like that.

Best not dwell on such thoughts, and certainly not gossip about it. He could sue for slander.

You should have had a post mortem on the cat's body to see how the cat died. A vet would know the difference between a road accident and a deliberate killing, even as far as the head is concerned. If there was a head injury, there would most certainly have been injuries to the body as well.

DroopyEyelids · 20/08/2024 18:24

I think often gut instinct is right about these things. I feel sorry for the cat and your kids. Do any of your neighbours have ring doorbells?

BooBooDoodle · 20/08/2024 18:22

I would get cameras put up back and front. Too coincidental not to think otherwise! This is awful. If someone can do this (allegedly) to an animal then what else are they capable of?

StrangeFoodChoice · 20/08/2024 18:14

Our neighbour killed two of my cats and my neighbours cat on the same day. Poison suspected.

His next door neighbour moved into their house, and their cat was poisoned the same night, they were distraught, as it was very much their baby.

Ours were killed after this, then we realised that their other neighbour had lost two cats and a neighbour one door from us, had also lost their cat, since the “cat killer” had moved into our quiet cul de sac

We sent our remaining cat to my parent’s house until we moved house.
His young daughter told us her Dad had killed the cats, but there was no proof.

Once people realised there had been a lot of cat deaths, they ( cat killer family ) bought themselves a pedigree cat, that they kept indoors.

I hope he hated that cat, not for the cats sake, of course.

I dare say he’s still at it, he and his wife divorced a few years later. She was just as horrible though 🤣🤣

Btb · 20/08/2024 18:08

Mani2024 · 18/08/2024 22:56

Three years ago we moved to our new house. Day one we met one of our neighbours and he asks whether we have a cat because he hates them. We didn’t at that point but we had planned to get one as we and our children really wanted one. neighbour begged us not too even though there are many many cat in the area. We reluctantly agreed to keep the peace but after a terrible year with lots of heartache we decided it was non of his business and got two kittens.

When he found out we had cats he made a passive aggressive comment to my six year old child about how one of the cats in particular had been in his garden and on his bird table. Some months later I heard our cats squealing. I thought they found themselves in a fight with another cat so called out to stop it but turned out to be my neighbour doing something to them to get them out of his garden. He said they were stalking his bird house.

We tried to settle things down with him, said feel free to spray them with water if they come over, we would look into a fence with a slope and if they ever mess in his garden (which they doubt they had as they still used litter trays) he could put over the fence with a spade. That conversation went well but he did say he’d killed a cat previously because it had chased a bird and that the killing had been unintentional.

fast forward some weeks and one of our kittens was found at the end of the road dead in the road with a sever head injury. This is the cat that both neighbours had said was the main culprit of jumping on their bird tables. Initially I was extremely upset and couldn’t think clearly but after a week or so I remembered that morning I had heard a cat scream that was worse than you would usually hear and had looked out my window to see what was going on. My husband saw my neighbour around that time walking up the road away from where she was later found and when asked what he was up to today said he was going for a long walk. I saw the neighbour in his garden briefly a week later, when our eyes met he went straight back into his house which is unusual as he usually chats to me. Generally he has been quite friendly apart from the issue with the cats.

i have spoken to my husband and a few friends about this and generally the consensus is that I’m overthinking and that this theory is just generally wild. Im
absolutely convinced he killed her and placed her at the end of the road to make it look like she got run over. Then again, I’m so desperately upset by it all that I’m not sure if the grief is clouding my judgement

I’d plot something and make him
pay dearly I couldn’t let it drop without revenge , he would be very sorry

Clarabell77 · 20/08/2024 17:57

SummerSplashing · 18/08/2024 23:50

@Rhaidimiddim

Is it too much for you to have some compassion?

Cats are entitled to be free roaming, I get that not everyone likes cats & some get quite uptight about their pooing in their garden or chasing/killing wildlife, I'm not keen on that aspect myself. But they are entitled to be as free roaming as foxes, so it is, what it is.

But why, when they are pets and can be kept indoors. One of our neighbours once said she would never have a litter tray in her house bcos it was disgusting, I think it was far more disgusting that her cat was shitting in our garden that our children were playing in.

nonethewiser · 20/08/2024 17:54

Tractive do an excellent pet tracker attached to a collar. We've used one for nearly a year now and the history generated seems to remain on the app indefinitely. There's an annual fee to pay for the service, but in my opinion it's worth it for peace of mind. BTW I'm not on commission.

Mwanamatapa · 20/08/2024 17:44

Keep trying to get evidence as I'm sure your neighbor is responsible. You can report him for animal cruelty. He deserves to be punished. Killing animals is not acceptable behavior.

Beth216 · 20/08/2024 15:01

namechangeforthisi · 20/08/2024 02:21

@Fluufer cats are a higher animal than birds. They bond with us and communicate with us. They feel more and have personalities

What on earth do you mean by 'higher' and how on earth could you know that a cat feels more than a bird or think that birds don't have personalities? Corvids are very intelligent and can solve puzzles.

You're talking absolute shite.

I8toys · 20/08/2024 14:53

Cruelty to animals is a major red flag and to openly brag about it is abhorrent. Please keep your other cat in and have nothing more to do with the psycho.

ThisOldThang · 20/08/2024 14:46

yumyum33 · 20/08/2024 13:41

I read the last two posts and while quite aggressive in their anti-cat stance why were they deleted? I'm not as au fait with mumsnet rules as perhaps I should be. Is blind agreement the MO on here?

I agree. There was nothing untoward about those posts.

Expont · 20/08/2024 14:29

@ScrubbedCauliflower Well said. Excusing criminal violence is abhorrent.

LakieLady · 20/08/2024 14:15

I certainly don't think YABU in thinking the neighbour might be responsible, OP, but I would focus on protecting the cat you still have.

Someone who lives near me has valuable pedigree cats and they have had this stuff fixed to the top of their fence so that they can't get out of her garden: Cat fence . She says it works a treat.

I wish my neighbours would get some. I'm fed up with finding cat shit in my garden, and utterly sick of their cat leaving dead or mortally injured birds on my lawn (I'm bird phobic, and even dead birds freak me out.)

I'd never dream of harming the cat though, or any other animal, for that matter.

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LettyToretto · 20/08/2024 13:47

I agree @yumyum33

Guess there's no free speech on MN now

yumyum33 · 20/08/2024 13:41

I read the last two posts and while quite aggressive in their anti-cat stance why were they deleted? I'm not as au fait with mumsnet rules as perhaps I should be. Is blind agreement the MO on here?

TigerBloomer · 20/08/2024 12:37

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ScrubbedCauliflower · 20/08/2024 11:17

ThisOldThang · 20/08/2024 10:40

If you drove your car around your neighbour's back garden, leaking engine oil all over the flower beds, damaging their property and killing random wild animals, would that be acceptable?

Would the neighbour be entitled in getting pissed off? If the neighbour smashed your car to pieces, would that be unreasonable?

What a load of claptrap.

If you want to own cats, you need to take responsibility for them - i.e. they should never be allowed to roam. If you can't manage that simple task, don't get a cat.

If you don't really care about your cats, and consider them to be nothing more than disposable pets (which is the only logical conclusion), then let them roam near roads, crazy neighbours, aggressive dogs, etc.

Well it depends on the law in your particular country doesn’t it.

In the U.K., letting your cat roam free is a legal right. So they are allowed to roam and whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

in the UK, it’s illegal to kill someone else’s pet and in the future, the laws on animal cruelty and harming pets are only going to get stricter with even tougher penalties.

In the U.K., driving your car around a neighbours garden without permission and causing damage is illegal.

In the U.K., taking the law into your own hands and smashing up your neighbours car even if they/it’s trespassing on your property and damaging it, is also illegal.

the latter 2 scenarios will likely both result in a criminal record and will affect the rest of your life very negatively.

Laws are there for a reason, if we don’t agree with them is it acceptable to just do what we want anyway. People that do that are breaking the law and are generally called criminals.

Your analogy isn’t equitable or relevant. Perhaps where you live, but not in the UK or many other countries. A better one would be;

If you drove a polluting car still within legal emission limits, would it be acceptable for someone who doesn’t drive and who gets asthma and other respiratory health issues who lives nearby smash up your car? If you really don't care about others health you shouldn’t be allowed to drive.

Caerulea · 20/08/2024 10:54

caffelattetogo · 19/08/2024 18:04

My neighbour's sighthound killed another neighbour's cat when it came into the dog's garden and it all got very ugly.

Same happened to my old cat, guy nearby rehomed racing greyhounds (worked with them so they could be pets, a very wholesome thing to do) & would thoroughly check his garden before letting the dog out. One morning he missed my cat & so my cat (who was incredibly special to me & had saved me from a guy looking to get into my house whilst I was alone) was dead within seconds. One single bite to the head. He was DEVASTATED, as was I!

But I wasn't angry! Not his fault, certainly not the dogs fault.

Conversely, my cats sister was nearly killed by some teens - very deliberately & horribly. On that occasion, 3 members of my family went out to find the teens, luckily for them they didn't find them.

This situation is the second example, not the first. Cruelty to animals, by humans, is lowest of the low

ThisOldThang · 20/08/2024 10:40

BanksysSprayCan · 19/08/2024 09:37

That’s illogical.

It’s like your neighbour saying that he hates cars and in the past destroyed one.

As his neighbour, would you desist from getting a car, or would you expect him to respect your property? You’d expect him to respect your property regardless of his feelings, because damaging your car would be against the law, not to mention very un-neighbourly!

If you drove your car around your neighbour's back garden, leaking engine oil all over the flower beds, damaging their property and killing random wild animals, would that be acceptable?

Would the neighbour be entitled in getting pissed off? If the neighbour smashed your car to pieces, would that be unreasonable?

What a load of claptrap.

If you want to own cats, you need to take responsibility for them - i.e. they should never be allowed to roam. If you can't manage that simple task, don't get a cat.

If you don't really care about your cats, and consider them to be nothing more than disposable pets (which is the only logical conclusion), then let them roam near roads, crazy neighbours, aggressive dogs, etc.

yumyum33 · 20/08/2024 10:21

It's an old article but interesting all the same.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/14/cats-kill-birds-wildlife-keep-indoors