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How do you deal with flying monkeys : people you don't know well but know they speak the words of their controller

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Flyingmmonkeys · 17/08/2024 07:47

. ?? I've got a several days wedding with flying monkeys from my sister.
An ex flying monkey told me my sister (much older) is obsessed with me and overwhelming jealous. People I know less than aqantences have been vile to me , people I don't know have been vile and other family members I don't see much have been vile and they all feel sorry for her? They use the same phrases about me she uses
What do you say? How do you combat it she's extremely good at what she does ie turning family members away.

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Flyingmmonkeys · 17/08/2024 10:05

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience apologies I missed your more helpful response earlier on

Yes it is consuming for her, I don't necessarily think she's a narrassite I don't know.
But she's definitely done the flying monkey thing.
She's definitely got some sort of personality disorder and she thrives on keeping me cut off from my wider family.

I've explained an example of her behavior when I worked for her once.

The ex flying monkey ran into issues with her and the scales just fell. Then she did to her what she did to me, contacted thru Facebook many of her relatives from her husband and friends and start to befriend them then start the poison.

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FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 10:01

Flyingmmonkeys · 17/08/2024 09:56

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience because you have taken against a term which is fine but this site is supposed to offer support so I'm aksing you, in the spirit of this site what support you are now offering me?
I don't think taking against this term and repeating it is effective support.

Oh, I am sooo sorry.
I didn't realise we were only able to offer support in AIBU!
Were the rules changed while I was asleep, because AIBU has mostly been lots of conflicting thoughts/support/rudeness/laughter/highs and lows, before
Plenty have supported you by suggesting you get a grip or that your interpretation of FM behaviour is somewhat skewed. They've also suggested you don't go to the wedding...
Me, well I just think the term FM is fucking stupid, so sorry if that's not supportive

satsumaorange · 17/08/2024 09:59

You need to step back and stop engaging in people you don’t care about anyway. If your sister lives nowhere near you and you never see her, why do you even care or let yourself be engaged in the unnecessary drama. Just shrug your shoulders and live your own life. It does seem like you like the drama yourself tbh.

Flyingmmonkeys · 17/08/2024 09:59

@CubistViolin again it's not something you understand unless you've experienced it.

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Flyingmmonkeys · 17/08/2024 09:56

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience because you have taken against a term which is fine but this site is supposed to offer support so I'm aksing you, in the spirit of this site what support you are now offering me?
I don't think taking against this term and repeating it is effective support.

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satsumaorange · 17/08/2024 09:55

CubistViolin · 17/08/2024 09:03

Support can also come in the form of asking whether you’re not exaggerating unconsciously, or perceiving a pattern of behaviour that doesn’t exist.

For instance, you seem to know a lot about the substance abuse and pathological jealousy of a sibling who lives thousands of miles away and whom you’ve not seen in years. But your source for this information seems to be the same people you’re dubbing ‘flying monkeys’? Why would you trust information from people who, according to you, are just mouthpieces for your sister? If they’re wrong about you, why would they be right about her?

And is it really that likely that she’s directing them by phone from the other side of the world to approach you to criticise you at weddings when they barely know you, or are total strangers?

Spot on.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 09:51

satsumaorange · 17/08/2024 09:48

Same here. Didn’t understand a word of what she was saying. 😂 Am I on a different planet!?

It has been explained ad nauseam since I asked - and despite people trying to tell me this has been around as a phrase since 1939 (bollox), I think it is a ridiculous label to stick on a bit of human behaviour!
But I will be flamed for saying that too!

satsumaorange · 17/08/2024 09:51

LookItsMeAgain · 17/08/2024 08:21

You mean you’ve never seen The Wizard of Oz? After all, that’s where the term comes from. Are you that old? Have you never read threads on MN that speak of flying monkeys before today?

Well they do say, everyday is a school day! So you’ve learned something new today and that can’t be a bad thing.

How fucking condescending @LookItsMeAgain

BeeCucumber · 17/08/2024 09:49

Remove yourself from the drama by not going to the wedding. Problem solved.

satsumaorange · 17/08/2024 09:48

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 08:01

I don't understand this post at all! Is it a game?
What are flying monkeys?
Am I that old I have completely fallen out of step with the world?

Same here. Didn’t understand a word of what she was saying. 😂 Am I on a different planet!?

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 09:44

Go and talk to the glaring relative; say that they clearly have some sort of issue with you, can you sort it out? And take it from there.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 09:42

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 09:04

Please explain why you think it is upsetting me.
I asked what flying monkeys were; you responded, I also googled the phrase.
I then pointed out that this is yet another label to attatch to behaviours that existed long before this descriptor, using the descriptors we would have used before the term flying monkey was applied
If you re-read my response to your explanation, am I upset or unsupportive?

Hello, @Flyingmmonkeys !
Still awaiting an answer....

Ponoka7 · 17/08/2024 09:42

@SmileyClare if you Google it, there's who sections on it across physiology websites. They do use that term.
@HowIrresponsible because then that person becomes cut off from family occasions and connections.

People are lucky that they haven't had someone so destructive in their lives. A relative by marriage has a PD and attachment disorder because of being fostered and the contact with family being a shit show. She decided, in her teens to target two of her siblings and can not see them as equal victims. She's emigrated, but still manages to recruit FM.
OP the only way to handle it is as suggested. Shut it down, ask is it appropriate at a family wedding, tell them that it's your business and keep out of it.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 09:38

user68712226 · 17/08/2024 08:40

Yes we all know what an actual fictional flying monkey is. The scary fuckers from the wizard of oz. It isn’t clever to try to patronise by explaining that.

what some of us are saying is

  1. it isn’t true that 95 percent of people you don’t like are narcissists. Very very few people are. Not all behaviour you don’t like is because that person is a narcissist
  2. it isn’t necessary to put labels into every single thing and group people into categories.
  3. in all likelihood other people are far far less interested in you than you think and with most of the few who genuinely have a view you could probably dispel any preconceived ideas with a smile and some friendly words.
  4. if you genuinely can’t cope with the situation don’t put yourself in it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post!
This thread just seems to be full of people willing to pull your head from your shoulders if you don't know what a flying (actually winged) monkey is, or that is related to narc behaviour (you see, in my day, a narc was the equivalent of a grass - someone who told, not someone who was a narcissist!)
And yes, it seems everything does require a label...!!

Madamecholetsbonnet · 17/08/2024 09:31

I understand your situation (and terminology) perfectly.

What I don’t understand is why you are there? Can you leave? Or completely avoid the toxicity by doing your own thing?

Lesson learned for you hopefully, you were foolish to willingly put yourself in harm’s way.

SmileyClare · 17/08/2024 09:25

user68712226 · 17/08/2024 08:40

Yes we all know what an actual fictional flying monkey is. The scary fuckers from the wizard of oz. It isn’t clever to try to patronise by explaining that.

what some of us are saying is

  1. it isn’t true that 95 percent of people you don’t like are narcissists. Very very few people are. Not all behaviour you don’t like is because that person is a narcissist
  2. it isn’t necessary to put labels into every single thing and group people into categories.
  3. in all likelihood other people are far far less interested in you than you think and with most of the few who genuinely have a view you could probably dispel any preconceived ideas with a smile and some friendly words.
  4. if you genuinely can’t cope with the situation don’t put yourself in it.

Absolutely. “Flying monkeys” is a twee over simplified description popularised by social media. It’s not an educated psychological descriptor of human behaviour.

Over simplifying complex family relationships by identifying a hero and a villain isn’t helpful. It absolves one person of any responsibility in a complex dynamic, and labels the other person as “evil” .

Its not a term a psychologist would use.

CortieTat · 17/08/2024 09:19

HowIrresponsible · 17/08/2024 08:55

So you're on of those who thinks they can diagnose anyone as they don't like their behaviour.

This thread is weird as fuck. Quite frankly the OP isn't covering herself in glory either. Just walk away and leave it at that. Don't go to the wedding, block her everywhere you can and move on instead of this hysteria about how to handle this [enter pop psychology term of your choice] behaviour.

Don't go. If you do, on your own head be it.

I don’t have any opinion, it’s just strangers on the internet and their behaviour and choices are beyond my control. To some extent it’s unavoidable because people like to put labels on everything.

Your advice is spot on.

Schoolchoicesucks · 17/08/2024 09:17

Do you like the relative whose wedding it is?

If so then go along, stick with people that you know and like and any other vaguely friendly others.

If other relatives glare at you, smile sweetly back and turn away.

If they approach you to have a go then a polite but firm "I'm sorry, I don't think Belinda's wedding is the place and I don't think you're aware of all of the details. Excuse me" and walk away.

SerafinasGoose · 17/08/2024 09:15

Fraaahnces · 17/08/2024 09:01

If you go and anyone is confrontational look baffled and ask, “Do you really think someone’s wedding is an appropriate time and place to insert yourself into the ancient private business of someone else’s family?”

Most sensible response on this thread.

Keeps the high road, and immediately dumps the strange baggage right at the feet of those it belongs to, rather than picking it up and carrying it as your own.

Shallamantor · 17/08/2024 09:12

user68712226 · 17/08/2024 09:00

mumsnet ethos is support

it really isn’t I’m afraid. Ironically in this case, people on MN will challenge you in a way those in RL never would.

This is posted in AIBU where you could literally say your neighbour set your dog on fire and someone would say you are unreasonable to be upset. The OP's situation needs to be posted in Relationships but a lot of people think that the Relationships board is about DP/DH relationships and it isn't it is about all relationships including parental and sibling etc. That board is far more supportive than AIBU which is known for brawling sadly.

The term flying monkeys has been used on MN at least a decade before TikTok was ever invented and I have experienced it personally in real life by a woman who liked to play the victim. Sadly grown women like to think they are back in the playground and get involved in other people's lives and create drama, just like on this board.

Tagyoureit · 17/08/2024 09:10

I knew what it meant, I get that other don't don't but 3 pages in, it's been explained now so let's move on. 🤷‍♀️

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 09:07

Tagyoureit · 17/08/2024 09:05

Does the thread really need derailing over terminology?

An understanding of the 'terminology' will help PPs offer advice/thoughts, surely?
Otherwise, limits responses

justbeingasmartarse · 17/08/2024 09:07

Tagyoureit · 17/08/2024 09:05

Does the thread really need derailing over terminology?

tbf if you don’t understand the term it’s difficult to understand the OP.

SerafinasGoose · 17/08/2024 09:07

LookItsMeAgain · 17/08/2024 08:24

If someone asks you if you & your sister speak, you could reply “well no we don’t because she doesn’t have anything interesting to talk about” and then leave.
Or you could ignore their question and reply with a question of your own asking them something completely unrelated and different from what they asked you.

Or simply: 'why would you like to know?'

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