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Cleaner drank the juice, ate the salmon and charged her phone

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Shadow743 · 16/08/2024 17:52

I have a cleaner who has been coming for 2hrs a week for approx a year. She is unreliable, often texting the day before with a wide selection of reasons as to why she can't make it, and she doesn't always do a great job. I've been thinking about getting rid of her for a while but I have a lot of guilt around having a cleaner in the first place, as it feels like such a luxury and I feel like a bit of a snob for having one. I've come home whilst she's been there before and seen her charging her devices, noticed that the cordial seems to have been drunk and a couple of weeks ago, I'm sure (but can't be 100% certain) that she finished of the smoked salmon from the fridge. Today, my kids marked a line on the juice bottles as a little experiment and lo and behold, I've come home to find not only has she drunk the cordial, she's finished it AND put the empty bottle on the top of the bin.
Am I being unreasonable to be furious and feel like she's taking the mick now or am I overreacting to some minor issues which I should overlook because a little bit of juice and a little bit of electricity here and there won't kill me???

OP posts:
Nowordsformethanks · 18/08/2024 07:49

She is there to work. Offering beverages or food is fine but not an entitlement. You don't owe her anything. I wouldn't go to work in someone's home expecting them to give me something besides the payment they owe. I'd do my job, bring my own stuff or ask if I need anything that I can't do without.

Nowordsformethanks · 18/08/2024 07:46

Drinking (alcohol?) on the job is a no-no.

Not doing a good job is a no-no.

Not being reliable on a regular basis is a no-no.

Rummaging through someone's fridge and cupboards, eating food or drink that hasn't been offered is a no-no. Akin to stealing. What else would she help herself with?

All sackable for me. If she can't see the boundaries she's crossing there, I wouldn't trust her in my home.

Charging devices using an empty electric slot is not a problem at all. She doesn't need to ask.(Assuming she didn't remove something that was there first and could be important, just to charge her phone. That, she needs to ask first).

I would be sacking this person since she seems to take more than she gives and you pay her while at it. Find a better cleaner.

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 07:33

Lizzie67384 · 18/08/2024 06:57

That’s poor.

Every job I’ve ever done from admin when I was in my early to 20s to my senior role now has provided free tea, coffee and come to think of it, squash!

I’ve found it’s more dependent on the industry than your level in the organization.

I work in tech and software development places are pretty generous but when I support software on site it can be very different. In most retail and factory sites I’ve had to bring in my own if I want it. Public service and smaller offices have normally had some sort of kitty. More corporate places have tended to provide. A brewery I worked for had free tea, coffee, juice, soda, hot chocolate, etc. and a free canteen with free beer on tap (30+ years ago, mind, maybe not now!). Finance places also pretty generous with free canteens sometimes. Charities some free, some kitty.

FiveShelties · 18/08/2024 07:15

NoSnowdrop · 16/08/2024 17:57

Mmmm. Really.

This 😂

Whatwouldnanado · 18/08/2024 07:08

Get the chip off your shoulder. If you need a cleaner you need a cleaner. Get rid of the one you have. Engage the services of an agency, or come up with a clear contract for one you find privately. Encourage your kids to be respectful of whoever you take on. The idea of involving them in monitoring actions etc doesn’t sit right.

CautionaryTaleGirl · 18/08/2024 07:03

I've worked in schools for 25 years.

I have never had free tea and coffee.

Lizzie67384 · 18/08/2024 06:57

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 06:26

Charging a phone has not been a problem anywhere for me but tea and coffee has been very varied.

That’s poor.

Every job I’ve ever done from admin when I was in my early to 20s to my senior role now has provided free tea, coffee and come to think of it, squash!

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 06:26

Lizzie67384 · 18/08/2024 05:23

Every place I’ve ever worked has had free tea and coffee and no problem with charging a phone?

Charging a phone has not been a problem anywhere for me but tea and coffee has been very varied.

ConstantlyFuriosa · 18/08/2024 06:03

She’s obviously a wrong ‘un. I think you should call the police.

OtterMouse · 18/08/2024 05:29

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Lizzie67384 · 18/08/2024 05:23

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 01:00

Most people don’t get free food and drink at work.

Every place I’ve ever worked has had free tea and coffee and no problem with charging a phone?

Lizzie67384 · 18/08/2024 05:21

PermanentTemporary · 16/08/2024 17:59

She's taking the piss and she's not very good. Sack her. I wouldn't at this point bother with talking through any reasons.

Next time though, get your expectations up front in writing - eg I have zero problem wuth charging a phone, making up to 2 hot drinks and a ten minute paid break. I would be incandescent if someone ate my food or (obviously) was slack with security or ignored my cleaning priorities (I give a list of essential jobs every week plus a list of jobs to be done occasionally if there's time). If you set that up you can then go back easily if there are issues.

I found an amazing small agency when asking for a really deep one off clean, and have used them ever since. They deal with any issues, not that there have been any. We pay well, tip generously (Christmas I mean) and give plenty of notice for any holidays (actually we still like a clean when away). Domestic cleaning is a decent job, don't wiry about it.

You sound fun

mathanxiety · 18/08/2024 03:15

llizzie · 18/08/2024 00:42

There are some employment rules, even if you just have someone a few hours. How much does it cost to make the people who work for you comfortable, feel that they are wanted, and doing a good job?

The cleaner is not an employee.

She is a self-employed provider of a service, just as a plumber or painter or electrician or hedge trimmer would be.

Would you let your plumber help himself from the fridge?

Bellamari · 18/08/2024 02:55

I wouldn’t have a problem with her charging her phone. Having a drink would be fine if I’d offered refreshments or told her to help herself (which I probably would). Bit cheeky to just take without being offered though! Food is a different matter, I’d be annoyed if she was taking food from the fridge.

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 02:00

llizzie · 18/08/2024 01:07

True, but they should get breaks, and how much does it cost to give refreshments? I am disabled, and have carers and cleaners and I would deny them nothing. I only buy individual packs of drinks and food for them. In the past decade I have had just 4 different care people.

You were talking about employment rules. OP has a self-employed contractor in her house for two hours at a time. Rules do not entitled them to breaks, free food and drink, or a charging spot for their phone.

Yes, these are nice things to provide, but they aren’t requirements and they shouldn’t be taken without permission. OP is contracting her cleaner on terms the cleaner is at liberty to set, if the cleaner doesn’t think the terms and conditions are generous enough she should be asking for what she feels is needed or appropriate or finding other customers, not simply taking.

The phrase “I would deny them nothing” is a little worrying. They are doing a job, they should do it well and providing things like drinks can certainly help people feel more loyal, but I hope they don’t abuse your generosity.

Bellsandthistle · 18/08/2024 01:14

YABVU to involve your children.

Having a cleaner does not make you a snob.
Encouraging your children to monitor said cleaner’s juice intake does.

theduchessofspork · 18/08/2024 01:09

Pherian · 17/08/2024 23:51

Are you that hard up that you can't afford juice, but you can afford a cleaner. Get a grip.

It’s not even juice, it’s bloody squash..

theduchessofspork · 18/08/2024 01:07

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 01:00

Most people don’t get free food and drink at work.

Most people do get free tea and coffee, and squash isn’t unusual either.

I don’t think the OP has a clue if this woman ate the salmon or not, but perhaps she can get her kid to booby trap it for next time.

llizzie · 18/08/2024 01:07

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 01:00

Most people don’t get free food and drink at work.

True, but they should get breaks, and how much does it cost to give refreshments? I am disabled, and have carers and cleaners and I would deny them nothing. I only buy individual packs of drinks and food for them. In the past decade I have had just 4 different care people.

theduchessofspork · 18/08/2024 01:05

You got your kids to spy on the cleaner?

Obviously if she is unreliable you ought to get rid of her.

There’s nothing wrong with her drinking squash or charging her phone - it’s normal for a workplace. If you don’t want her using a specific item then tell her.

I have no idea why having a cleaner would make you a snob.

You seem.. a bit odd.

RawBloomers · 18/08/2024 01:00

llizzie · 18/08/2024 00:42

There are some employment rules, even if you just have someone a few hours. How much does it cost to make the people who work for you comfortable, feel that they are wanted, and doing a good job?

Most people don’t get free food and drink at work.

llizzie · 18/08/2024 00:42

mathanxiety · 17/08/2024 19:05

I disagree, obv.
Drinking beverages other than water in someone else's house when you're there to perform a service you're being paid to do is taking the piss.

Would you allow a plumber or electrician or painter to help himself to whatever he fancied from the fridge? Coke? Beer? Your iced coffer? Leftovers you were going to have for your supper that evening? Yogurt you bought for your children's packed lunches? Berries you bought to make muffins with?

There are some employment rules, even if you just have someone a few hours. How much does it cost to make the people who work for you comfortable, feel that they are wanted, and doing a good job?

Poodleydoodley · 18/08/2024 00:29

She probably left the empty bottle out so you’d know you’d run out of it.

SGANDRUE · 18/08/2024 00:14

I cleaned homes for years! Ive been accused of stealing wine, a bible, cassette tapes, meat from a fridge and breaking stuff. The trouble is the cleaner is the go to person to blame if anything gets broken or goes missing. Very annoying! I would happily charge my phone. Not take food or drinks. No without permission.

Pherian · 17/08/2024 23:51

Are you that hard up that you can't afford juice, but you can afford a cleaner. Get a grip.