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To think that putting to sleep very difficult dogs is not the most awful thing for them?

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UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:11

DH and I recently adopted a dog. It’s taken nearly 4 years and lots of patience to get to this place. We found rescues quite difficult to deal with and some were downright dishonest. Those that were great often had criteria as strict as the Pissfingers meme (will attach in case anyone hasn’t seen it!) so were possibly more overcrowded than they need to be.
We had a foster to adopt trial with a dog 18 months ago which went horribly wrong when he bit DH badly. The rescue did not tell us that the dog had a history of biting and challenging behaviour, but took him back after the incident (which would have been fully preventable had we know more about the dog and were prepared for the behavioural issues, although they were so tricky to handle we wouldn’t have adopted him).
It’s taken a long time to find the right dog, and part of that is that there are so many very difficult dogs in rescue shelters, which we (and apparently most other people) feel unable to take on. Some of these dogs end up in kennels for years.
Our previous foster is still as yet unhomed, and we learnt that he’d been fostered a further couple of times with similar outcome to our own.
I am a dog lover, I hate to see cruelty, and having had several years of visiting various shelters and getting close to finding a dog a few times I’m starting to think that keeping really challenging dogs in kennels for a long time is downright cruel. Many are anxious and stressed, yet are living in conditions that don’t suit them on the off chance that someone will be willing to take on a dog with a difficult history.
My own old dog was pts about 5 years ago. Whilst the process was upsetting for me, my old girl was very peaceful throughout, it wasn’t a traumatic thing to go through at all for her.
Talking about dogs being pts is very emotive, but I wonder if for some dogs this would be preferable to long spells in kennels.

AIBU

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Whaleandsnail6 · 16/08/2024 17:16

I agree. A dog does not have anxiety about death , they dont know its happening. Much better for them to just be put to sleep in a calm manner with gentle people around them than potentially go through months or years of stressful or anxiety situations.

ntmdino · 16/08/2024 16:58

For what it's worth (and I'm not setting us up to be some paragons of virtue here), we've taken on a number of dogs over the last 20 years who'd be considered unsafe or unadoptable.

One was even in his last two days before being PTS at the shelter at six months old - he had warnings all over his paperwork and we were told there was no way he'd ever be safe, especially with children. The only time he ever came to the front of his enclosure instead of hiding at the back and baring his teeth, though, was when our daughter went to look at him. Nearly bent himself in two wagging at her. We had to sign a waiver, but there was no way we were going home without him. Damn dog hated me for 15 years (until he had dementia and forgot he hated me every morning), but only had two minor bite incidents - and those were people who ignored all of our warnings and shoved their hands in his face.

Then there's the Akita, who was unadoptable because of her size and "scary" posture. Most well-behaved dog we've ever encountered. She basically raised the feral Chihuahua (who's now the most placid example of the breed we've come across), and the traumatised Romanian rescue (who would apparently never accept human contact, but now can't live without fuss and sitting with us at every opportunity).

Point is...we aren't miracle workers, and I know there are many dogs out there that we wouldn't be able to rehabilitate, but for an awful lot of them it's because the environment we provide isn't what they need. I'm convinced that many "unadoptable" dogs just need to find the environment or people that suit them most, and they suddenly become unrecognisable from the scared, fear-aggressive selves they showed everyone else (and us, to begin with) - for the dogs we've had (all of them), it's been down to treating them as individuals instead of seeing teeth or a bite incident and thinking "Yep, aggressive" and writing them off - by rescues, fosters or adopters.

I don't think that applies to the OP's experience, though, because it was doomed to failure the instant the rescue decided to hold back the dog's history. That's just bloody stupid and irresponsible.

PetulantPenguin · 16/08/2024 16:56

Agree completely. We adopted a dog, were told he didn't like going outside and wasn't fond of other dogs ... Actually he loved going outside and would jump out the window if you weren't careful and as for not being fond of other dogs, actually they meant he would try to rip them to pieces at every given opportunity. It took a lot of management (and a muzzle) but we did keep him but it would have saved a really nasty attack on another dog if we'd been told the truth.

pixie12 · 16/08/2024 16:43

Iheartmysmart · 16/08/2024 16:15

I completely agree. Far worse things can happen to a dog than a peaceful and humane death. If a dog has issues to the extent it will never safely be rehomed then put the poor thing to sleep. Don’t leave it festering in a rescue centre indefinitely.

Completely agree

TangerinePlate · 16/08/2024 16:37

YANBU.

A couple of years ago a friend was looking for a dog. Out of curiosity we checked one of the rescue centres. They held about 30 dogs at that time and each of them was marked as „unsuitable for children or the other animals”. She got a puppy.

Ponoka7 · 16/08/2024 16:35

I've stopped giving to two dog charities because of their no kill policies. One was in Romania and they'll let puppies die of malnutrition/cold while spending a fortune on 12 year old dogs. Some of the very aggressive dogs, who could easily be a danger should be pts once a certain amount of time has passed, unless they can be fostered. I say that as someone who adopted two German shepherd's who had behavioural issues, at different times. There's too many people who don't have a clue and won't do consistency with rules. There's too many dogs vs potential owners.

UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:33

Zanatdy · 16/08/2024 16:26

Yes I had to make a very difficult decision 20 odd years ago to have my dog PTS for aggression. I really did give him many chances and it broke my heart but he could never have been rehomed. My mum wanted me to tie him to a fence somewhere so she wouldn’t have to cope knowing he was PTS which would have been cruel. The final decision was taken in haste as he attacked me but it was always the right decision. It broke my heart but I know it was the responsible thing to do.

I’m so sorry, that must have been so difficult. 💐

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UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:32

MyDogsPaws · 16/08/2024 16:23

I 100% agree, pts is better than a scary stressful life in kennels for years and years. My dog is very nervous and would hate to be in kennels if I had to choose that for the rest of her life or PTS I’d choose PTS.

Yes, that’s where I’m coming from too.
It would be a horrendous decision to make, but maybe for some dogs it’s the kindest and most humane option.

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UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:31

AugustAlready · 16/08/2024 16:22

I love dogs, all kinds, bit of a soft spot for the big ones (the ones that worry people)

i do agree with you in principal, but 'no kill' shelters are the first ones over run & where most people would want to place a dog.

plus who decides 'how long' they get on 'death row'? & how many vets are going to sign up to pts?

Another thing the rescues need to do is be more open to people actually adopting a dog, some of the reasons they refuse for are absolutely ridiculous, it's no wonder people give up & buy a puppy when they would have been very happy to adopt one.

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It would be tricky to decide where to draw the line.
In principal any bite history should mean pts, but in reality many bites are caused by owners not recognising the dog’s body language and have pushed beyond reasonable boundaries.

A relative had a very difficult dog that she couldn’t handle (no fault of her own, it was a young rescue, but the shelter shut up shop not long after the dog was adopted), but was warned off surrendering it due to the state of shelters. She considered pts but the few people she spoke to were aghast that she could consider that. She kept the dog - the miserable anxious dog - until it died of cancer 7 years later. Her life was 100% dictated by the needs of the dog, she had no life, couldn’t leave it alone, couldn’t have visitors. I feel like in cases like this pts is not the worst option.

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MyDogsPaws · 16/08/2024 16:27

AugustAlready · 16/08/2024 16:22

I love dogs, all kinds, bit of a soft spot for the big ones (the ones that worry people)

i do agree with you in principal, but 'no kill' shelters are the first ones over run & where most people would want to place a dog.

plus who decides 'how long' they get on 'death row'? & how many vets are going to sign up to pts?

Another thing the rescues need to do is be more open to people actually adopting a dog, some of the reasons they refuse for are absolutely ridiculous, it's no wonder people give up & buy a puppy when they would have been very happy to adopt one.

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I’ve worked with vets and they tend ti be much more practical and less emotive about those things than the general public, I’ve worked at a practice that was responsible for euthanising dogs from a dogs home and no one looked forward to it but it was necessary and done with care and kindness.

Zanatdy · 16/08/2024 16:26

Yes I had to make a very difficult decision 20 odd years ago to have my dog PTS for aggression. I really did give him many chances and it broke my heart but he could never have been rehomed. My mum wanted me to tie him to a fence somewhere so she wouldn’t have to cope knowing he was PTS which would have been cruel. The final decision was taken in haste as he attacked me but it was always the right decision. It broke my heart but I know it was the responsible thing to do.

MyDogsPaws · 16/08/2024 16:23

I 100% agree, pts is better than a scary stressful life in kennels for years and years. My dog is very nervous and would hate to be in kennels if I had to choose that for the rest of her life or PTS I’d choose PTS.

AugustAlready · 16/08/2024 16:22

I love dogs, all kinds, bit of a soft spot for the big ones (the ones that worry people)

i do agree with you in principal, but 'no kill' shelters are the first ones over run & where most people would want to place a dog.

plus who decides 'how long' they get on 'death row'? & how many vets are going to sign up to pts?

Another thing the rescues need to do is be more open to people actually adopting a dog, some of the reasons they refuse for are absolutely ridiculous, it's no wonder people give up & buy a puppy when they would have been very happy to adopt one.

Dearg · 16/08/2024 16:22

I do agree. Some, though probably not many, can cope with multiple foster homes, or with life in a shelter with the strong ( to them) smells and sounds of other dogs; many though will get stressed.

This stress will play out in different ways but may make it harder to find a home.

UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:19

I also think, maybe unpopularly, that if there weren’t so many difficult dogs in kennels, dogs surrendered for non-behavioural reasons would be rehomed more quickly, and more people would give rescues a chance.

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Iheartmysmart · 16/08/2024 16:15

I completely agree. Far worse things can happen to a dog than a peaceful and humane death. If a dog has issues to the extent it will never safely be rehomed then put the poor thing to sleep. Don’t leave it festering in a rescue centre indefinitely.

UnchainedMelanie · 16/08/2024 16:14

Forgot to add the Pissfingers thing!

To think that putting to sleep very difficult dogs is not the most awful thing for them?
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