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Friends with camper vans needing lifts...

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Dygger · 16/08/2024 10:22

I've been going to tai chi classes for a couple of years and made friends there with a woman who lives about 15 minutes away from me. Last year she and her partner retired. They'd had two cars and they sold one to buy a big, shiny new motorhome. Shortly after that she started phoning me asking me to give her a lift to t'ai chi because her partner needed the car to go to something he was doing. The first couple of times I just did it, but it became a regular expectation. It's a pain because she lives 15 minutes away from me in the wrong direction. So instead of a 15-minute drive from my house to the tai chi class, she wants me to drive 15 minutes to her and then 20 minutes to the class. And all because their shiny new £80k motorhome is too big and too inconvenient to use as a vehicle for everyday things.

Another friend, on a tight budget, sold her reliable 8-year-old Skoda Yeti that has never given her trouble and bought a 22-year-old little Romahome camper van which she planned to use as an everyday vehicle. Except that because it's 22 years old it's always got things going wrong with it. Practically every month she's owned it it's needed work doing — and because it's old, it can take a while to get parts. So she's off the road for weeks at a time and looks to me — and others as well — for lifts. I think she's got nervous of what might go wrong with the Romahome next, so tries not to use it unless she's going away for a weekend in it.

I've said no to them both on a few occasions in the last few months and I suspect they are both quite pissed off with me because I'm not being more helpful. Mrs Motorhome in particular. We have to finalise and pay for the new term's tai chi sessions starting in September. Yesterday she contacted me to say that unless I agreed to pick her up and take her home again when she doesn't have access to the car she doesn't want to waste money on booking sessions she won't be able to use. I responded by saying I couldn't promise anything. She replied that it was all so awkward, but she didn't want to waste money on taxis — to which I responded by saying 'I noticed.' She hasn't responded. AIBU?

OP posts:
iwfja · 16/08/2024 11:49

"Yesterday she contacted me to say that unless I agreed to pick her up and take her home again when she doesn't have access to the car she doesn't want to waste money on booking sessions she won't be able to use. I responded by saying I couldn't promise anything. She replied that it was all so awkward, but she didn't want to waste money on taxis — to which I responded by saying 'I noticed."

Good for you OP. That was manipulative of her saying "unless" you pick her up and take her she won't be able to go.
She has several options. She could sort this out better with her husband to ensure fairer use of the car or he drops her off on the way to his activity and picks her up. She could use public transport or husband drops her off at a convenient place to get a bus/train if they don't live near a bus stop or station. She could cycle. They could buy a second cheap runaround car if they find they need two cars plus the motorhome. She could work out if there was somewhere she could get to by public transport which is on your way to the class and wait for you there if you were agreeable to that because maybe it wouldn't bother you if it was on your way anyway.
Or they could fucking pay for a taxi and stop being so bloody cheap and expecting people to drive 15 minutes in the opposite direction twice.
Or she doesn't do the class and finds one in a suitable location she can get to.

And the same goes for the Romahome person. She made a decision to buy that thing. It's turned out to be unreliable so she either sells it and gets a more reliable car or she works out public transport/taxi alternatives for when it's out of action or finds a better garage (my garage always gives me a courtesy car if mine needs to go in for something and I need a replacement car).

I didn't have a driving licence until I was nearly 40 due to living in a city where it wasn't necessary and I never once took the piss with things like this.

satsumaorange · 16/08/2024 11:47

I noticed

Finally someone who isn’t a doormat.

That would be 1 hour extra driving for you every time. CF.

murasaki · 16/08/2024 11:46

Anyone who has the chutzpah to say 'I noticed' , which was brilliant, definitely has the cojones to put a stop to the lifts.

LouH5 · 16/08/2024 11:44

I can’t get over how cheeky she was to basically put it on you and say she won’t be able to go to tai chi if you don’t drive her. The entitlement of “unless you agree to take me…” is unbelievable. I absolutely love the “I noticed” response- bloody brilliant!

I couldn’t emphasise with you more on this. Its not so much the case now that we are all in our mid 30s and a bit more settled, but in my friendship group in our 20s, a couple of the girls only had one car between them and their partner, and would often rely on the rest of us for lifts to places, and it used to really irritate me that their choice to save money by having one car affected my time and my money (petrol, going out of the way to collect them etc). I wouldn’t mind so much if I would be pretty much passing, but the WORST was one friend in particular where, we used to do a weekly games night at one friend who lived a 20min drive from me. Another girl loved 10mins in the opposite direction, and our weekly games night clashed with her boyfriends weekly football night. And for whatever reason, he always took the car, and she always asked me for a lift. So the 20min drive turned into a 40min one, there and back (10mins to hers, 10mins back passing my home, then the 20mins onto our friends house). And I’d be expected to do it there and back. And she was never that grateful. I did it for a few months because I felt a bit awkward about it, but then eventually asked her if maybe her boyfriend could start getting rides from his friends to football, and she could use their car, as it was becoming a bit much for me doing all the ferrying. From then on, she got the bus. I felt a bit awkward about it at first but then remembered it wasn’t my responsibility.

StickChildNumberTwo · 16/08/2024 11:43

We went down to one car when we bought a motorhome. It's rare that we both need a vehicle at the same time, but when we do one of us takes the van (usually the person going to the place it'll be easier to park). I would never think of asking anyone for a lift when there's a perfectly functional vehicle sat on the drive. YANBU to say no.

Hakunatomato · 16/08/2024 11:41

I love your reply! It is not your responsibility to ensure she has transport to an activity. It is hers alone! Cheeky cow.

BreatheAndFocus · 16/08/2024 11:40

YANBU - she is! We had a motorhome plus small car when I was young, and my DF always took the car due to his commute. My DM was perfectly happy to use the motorhome to do local trips. We wouldn’t have dreamed of asking someone else to collect us in those circumstances! It’s ridiculous!

If she doesn’t want to drive the motorhome there then she can’t go. That’s her fault. She’ll have to do alternate motorhome/car weeks with her DH. It’s absolutely not your problem.

OriginalUsername2 · 16/08/2024 11:39

Love this!

There must be a name for the sheer joy I get when reading about someone standing up to a CF

Lairymary · 16/08/2024 11:39

5foot5 · 16/08/2024 11:13

YANBU. And I would also wonder why Mrs Motorhome's husband always gets first dibs on the car when he has an activity. Surely it is a shared car so she should get to have it and him get a lift sometimes.

Nahhh, she probably just doesn't want to drive it. It'll be totally inconvenient to drive and PARK, I would imagine......

gamerchick · 16/08/2024 11:33

I do think that if you asked for the campervan for a week, it might focus husbands head a bit to stop being so selfish with the car.

Purplecatshopaholic · 16/08/2024 11:30

Good for you op. Some people are so flippin entitled it boggles my mind!

Titsonboard · 16/08/2024 11:30

Too right say no, she didn’t even pretend she was going to negotiate with her DH on the use of the car they still have, why does he have first dibs? In MN parlance she doesn’t have a lift problem she has a DH problem.

ScottBakula · 16/08/2024 11:30

ICantLogIn · 16/08/2024 10:48

I think you are missing a trick here. Point out how often she's used your car, and borrow her campervan for a weekend!

I was going to say almost the but I'd ask for a full week ( at least ) during the hight of summer / Bank hols

yourfavoriteweapon · 16/08/2024 11:29

“I noticed” is the greatest MN response I’ve seen yet, and is much better than “no is a complete sentence”. Well done. YANBU.

Iamnotalemming · 16/08/2024 11:29

If Mrs Motorhome doesn't like driving the camper van then she needs to arrange with her husband that he uses it when she wants the car.

I think your answer to her was spot on. Can't believe she never offered you petrol money.

MikeRafone · 16/08/2024 11:28

IDontHateRainbows · 16/08/2024 11:27

Please don't tell me she gives nothing for petrol

Thats what OP state in one of her previous posts

SuperBored · 16/08/2024 11:27

Surely the conversation should look like I can commit to doing half the trips to take us if you can commit to doing the other half in the car that you have, otherwise I'm afraid it doesn't work for me.

IDontHateRainbows · 16/08/2024 11:27

Please don't tell me she gives nothing for petrol

AgileGreenSeal · 16/08/2024 11:25

TeapotCollection · 16/08/2024 10:31

“I noticed”

😂 love it! YANBU, people will only take the piss if you let them

“I noticed” did make me laugh out loud 🤣

SinnerBoy · 16/08/2024 11:24

Well done, Dygger. She's got a problem entirely of her own making and is now trying to blame you for it! Is she in a management job?

As an aside, for me, the Moho is the Mohorovicic Discontinuity, the boundary between the Earth's crust and mantle. Yup, I'm a geologist!

MikeRafone · 16/08/2024 11:24

Id think that if you are travelling 15 minutes by car in one direction to pick her up - that's got to be about 4 miles in a car.

Thats 8 miles per week extra driving to take her to class - so at 50p per miles its going to add up to £4 a week, wear, tear, depreciation and fuel. Over 30 weeks of the year thats £120 a year extra to go to a class

Noseybookworm · 16/08/2024 11:23

Good for you! Your friend needs to arrange with her husband when she needs to use the car, that's something they need to sort out between themselves. Not your problem!

oakleaffy · 16/08/2024 11:21

AuCo44 · 16/08/2024 10:27

You’re not being unreasonable. Why should you taxi them around because they’ve made lifestyle decisions that mean ordinary driving isn’t possible? Tell both of them bicycles aren’t expensive 😉

THIS!!!!!
E bikes are game changers.

tailofthecock · 16/08/2024 11:20

"She replied that it was all so awkward, but she didn't want to waste money on taxis — to which I responded by saying 'I noticed."

😂Hahahaha...brilliant response.

It's so refreshing to read that an OP is not prepared to put up with CF's and to respond to them accordingly. Love it.

MikeRafone · 16/08/2024 11:20

How far is the distance between her house and the class in miles?