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To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)

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AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 16:46

This is on a regular route I drive and I am always approaching it from the angle seen in the photo, to turn right. My approach road is short so no time to build up any speed. As you can see, it is really a T junction of a smaller road in to a bigger one, but it has been configured with a mini roundabout.

Nine times out of 10 traffic coming from the right or the left doesn’t slow down, so even if a car coming from my right is not on the roundabout yet it will beep at me if I pull out and cause it to slow down. I know that the rule is give way to traffic coming from the right, but doesn’t that only apply to traffic already on the roundabout?

I can see that the problem with a mini one is that there is much less time that the car is actually “on” it, but surely everyone should be slowing down as they approach a roundabout?

At this one, usually the only way to get out is by waiting for a pedestrian to cross at the zebra and stop the traffic from the right that way.

AIBU to think that a mini roundabout is still a roundabout and the normal rules should apply? Or am I misunderstanding the rules?

To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)
To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)
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sunsetsandboardwalks · 15/08/2024 17:23

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:16

So can I just be clear- all of you drive straight into roundabouts at or above the top speed limit as long as there is no traffic visible to your right?

Nobody has said that - but you must approach with caution - what speed that is will depend on the roundabout, the visibility and the road/weather conditions (amongst other things).

You should always be prepared to stop if needed, but in some situations you can see clearly enough that slowing down isn't necessary.

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2024 17:23

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:16

So can I just be clear- all of you drive straight into roundabouts at or above the top speed limit as long as there is no traffic visible to your right?

How did you get that from what's been said 😂

How would you get out if it was a T junction? Do that

Or lobby your council for traffic lights.

keylimedog · 15/08/2024 17:22

You keep mentioning sensible speeds - no one is suggesting approaching the roundabout at 50mph - but if cars approaching the roundabout from the right have to slow down / hit the brakes because you're pulling out on them, that's not a "sensible speed" issue, that's you causing an issue.

You say traffic can flow as intended with no need to give way - the intent of a roundabout is to yield to people with priority to the right, not for everyone to just match a sensible speed you've imagined would help traffic flow better.

Imisscoffee2021 · 15/08/2024 17:22

In a road designers ideal world yes a roundabout out woukd have this constant flow of cars on the move but not hitting eachother but that's just not how it works in practise all the time. Roundabouts of so many different sizes and yeah on a huge quiet roundabout you are yielding to traffic already on it because frankly you usually cant see their entrance anyway to the roundabout, and there's alot of distance on it.

A mini roundabout by nature is small so theres a tiny amount of time on it for cars so you give way to any traffic from the right even if its not on the roundabout by judging if they are far enough away that you have time, not that they should slow down and give you time. If you're popping out in front of a car on the right and a car to your left is beeping they've done what most would and looked to your right and saw a car coming so assumes you would give way, and they'd have time due to it being a further exit away.

Ivehearditbothways · 15/08/2024 17:21

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:16

So can I just be clear- all of you drive straight into roundabouts at or above the top speed limit as long as there is no traffic visible to your right?

No, you drive to the appropriate speed for the particular roundabout. Totally flat surroundings with clear views of the roads to your right and you can see it’s clear before you’re near it then you don’t need to slow right down because you can see it is clear. A more congested area with limit visibility then you approach at a crawl, but you go and get back up to speed if it is clear. You should not be driving into someone trying to nip out at your left, because no one should be nipping out ahead of you.

OP, you are a bad driver. You do not try and get out ahead of traffic coming from the right. You are causing other drivers to have to slow or brake. No one should have to brake because you’re cutting them up so stop doing it.

Paintpalette · 15/08/2024 17:18

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:03

OK So what about the cars coming from the left. Should they not be giving way to me? (They don’t).

Yes, they should. You give way to the right, those people give way to their right (not you on their left) and so on all the way around.

As there are three exits, it should be straightforward, but as you say, these mini roundabouts are plonked where it could be a T-junction from the minor road and people don't like it because things end up opposite from what you expect (because basically cars from the minor road can turn right on to the major road with priority over those already on the main road and intending to continue straight on!)

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:17

M4driver · 15/08/2024 17:17

Are you remembering to indicate?

Traffic on your left should give way to you if they see you indicating right. However, if you're indicating left they don't need to slow down because you will have left the roundabout before them. If you're not indicating at all, they may think you don't know where you're going and may choose to zoom across whilst you're thinking about it.

Of course I am indicating!

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Ivehearditbothways · 15/08/2024 17:17

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:06

But on a full-size roundabout, which is what that guidance is written for, traffic “approaching” is already on the roundabout. If they were not already on the roundabout there would be enough space for you to pull out before they reached you, unless they were speeding.

No, it is not already on the roundabout. You shouldn’t be speeding out to get round infront of someone approaching the roundabout. If someone is approaching to your right, you stop. I guarantee that you nipping out because they’re not yet on the roundabout has caused more than one driver to have to brake. You’re driving like a dickhead.

M4driver · 15/08/2024 17:17

Are you remembering to indicate?

Traffic on your left should give way to you if they see you indicating right. However, if you're indicating left they don't need to slow down because you will have left the roundabout before them. If you're not indicating at all, they may think you don't know where you're going and may choose to zoom across whilst you're thinking about it.

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:16

sunsetsandboardwalks · 15/08/2024 17:11

They should approach with caution, but you still need to give way to them and stop if needed!

So can I just be clear- all of you drive straight into roundabouts at or above the top speed limit as long as there is no traffic visible to your right?

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Kaaraa · 15/08/2024 17:14

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:00

What’s your authority for this?

What's my authority? Literally everyone who is driving should know that you give way to the right. If you can see something approaching to the right you give way. You don't disrupt their flow. You are disrupting their flow by misunderstanding (and likely to cause an accident).

Guavafish1 · 15/08/2024 17:14

A stops and give way to B

Bellamari · 15/08/2024 17:13

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:06

But on a full-size roundabout, which is what that guidance is written for, traffic “approaching” is already on the roundabout. If they were not already on the roundabout there would be enough space for you to pull out before they reached you, unless they were speeding.

You need some more driving lessons! Traffic “approaching” does not mean traffic already on the roundabout. It also means traffic approaching the roundabout and just about to enter it.

Motomum23 · 15/08/2024 17:12

The rule of giving way to gje right is not just for traffic on the roundabout but traffic approaching the roundabout too. Your left should be giving way to you but in reality if they are going straight ahead and traffic to your right is going straight ahead they aren't going to wait for you to have space to move.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 15/08/2024 17:11

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:11

I argue that the person approaching from the right should not treat the roundabout like a T junction and should approach with some degree of caution, allowing the traffic to flow as intended because there is no need to “give way” or yield as everyone has enough space if sensible speeds are observed.

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They should approach with caution, but you still need to give way to them and stop if needed!

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:11

I argue that the person approaching from the right should not treat the roundabout like a T junction and should approach with some degree of caution, allowing the traffic to flow as intended because there is no need to “give way” or yield as everyone has enough space if sensible speeds are observed.

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WeeGreenJumper · 15/08/2024 17:11

The highway code link specifically says the same rules apply to mini roundabouts. Yes you have to make a judgement call based on speed and distance, and if you can join without slowing down the flow of traffic from the right that should be fine. It sounds like you are causing them to slow down though, and therefore you're not following the rules of roundabouts and causing cars from the right to give way to you.

napody · 15/08/2024 17:10

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:03

OK So what about the cars coming from the left. Should they not be giving way to me? (They don’t).

Hmm... yes they should. If someone's coming from your right at the same time though they'll be expecting you to stop. Which would mean both other cars if theyre staying on the 'main road' would both be able to go. You're throwing the whole thing off by not giving way to someone approaching from the right.

If nobody is coming from the right and its just you and the person on the left pulling out then yes, they're wrong.

Your way just doesn't work- it's essentially people arguing that they got there a split second before another person and pulling out, with no real priority in place at all.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 15/08/2024 17:09

You need to give way to any traffic approaching from the right, whether it's already on the roundabout or not.

leafinthewind · 15/08/2024 17:08

I guess people approaching on your left see that you will have to stop for someone coming the other way, so they just breeze through. If you try to sneak in with so little space that you get beeped at by people coming from your right, you'll be in real danger of hitting someone coming from your left.

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:06

But on a full-size roundabout, which is what that guidance is written for, traffic “approaching” is already on the roundabout. If they were not already on the roundabout there would be enough space for you to pull out before they reached you, unless they were speeding.

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JaneGrint · 15/08/2024 17:05

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:03

OK So what about the cars coming from the left. Should they not be giving way to me? (They don’t).

They should be, yes.

Smithhy · 15/08/2024 17:04

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:03

OK So what about the cars coming from the left. Should they not be giving way to me? (They don’t).

Yes, they should.

c3pu · 15/08/2024 17:03

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:00

What’s your authority for this?

When reaching the roundabout you should

  • give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 17:03

OK So what about the cars coming from the left. Should they not be giving way to me? (They don’t).

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