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To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)

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AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 16:46

This is on a regular route I drive and I am always approaching it from the angle seen in the photo, to turn right. My approach road is short so no time to build up any speed. As you can see, it is really a T junction of a smaller road in to a bigger one, but it has been configured with a mini roundabout.

Nine times out of 10 traffic coming from the right or the left doesn’t slow down, so even if a car coming from my right is not on the roundabout yet it will beep at me if I pull out and cause it to slow down. I know that the rule is give way to traffic coming from the right, but doesn’t that only apply to traffic already on the roundabout?

I can see that the problem with a mini one is that there is much less time that the car is actually “on” it, but surely everyone should be slowing down as they approach a roundabout?

At this one, usually the only way to get out is by waiting for a pedestrian to cross at the zebra and stop the traffic from the right that way.

AIBU to think that a mini roundabout is still a roundabout and the normal rules should apply? Or am I misunderstanding the rules?

To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)
To think that people don’t use this mini roundabout correctly? (Diagram and picture)
OP posts:
AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 09:49

thefamous5 · 16/08/2024 09:23

It's quite concerning that you have a drivers license and yet don't know how to manoeuvre a mini roundabout.

It's simple. Everyone shows down on the approach to the roundabout. You don't wait until you're at the junction to look what's going on, you look at the situation as you're approaching the roundabout. If there are cars approaching from the right and you don't have time to go, you stop and wait. If there are no cars approaching or on the roundabout, you can carry on at a safe and appropriate speed.

Please go and do some refresher lessons before you cause an accident.

I have a driving licence. Not a “drivers’ license”.

OP posts:
WonderingWanda · 16/08/2024 09:37

I use a larger roundabout which is tricky like this. It's on a dual carriage way and I join it and turn right. The exit to my right is so close to my exit and I can only go when cars from my left are turning into my exit therefore forcing cars from my right to slow down.....the problem is they hate to slow down and often either zoom out in front of or behind the car coming round from the left making it really hard to find a gap to pull out. It's a bad design because there's faster traffic with a straight route over and then traffic rom my exit joins from a standstill.

thefamous5 · 16/08/2024 09:23

It's quite concerning that you have a drivers license and yet don't know how to manoeuvre a mini roundabout.

It's simple. Everyone shows down on the approach to the roundabout. You don't wait until you're at the junction to look what's going on, you look at the situation as you're approaching the roundabout. If there are cars approaching from the right and you don't have time to go, you stop and wait. If there are no cars approaching or on the roundabout, you can carry on at a safe and appropriate speed.

Please go and do some refresher lessons before you cause an accident.

Littlemisscapable · 16/08/2024 09:22

Bellamari · 16/08/2024 09:16

There are 8 pages of replies telling OP they’re wrong and not driving correctly. If it hasn’t sunk in by now it’s not going to!

Yes how has this gone on for 8 pages. From the OP's approach this is an annoying roundabout as you could be waiting ages to get out but that's the way it works. Just have to wait for a suitable gap..the cars coming from OP's right don't need to yield and have clear view of what is coming due to the way this particular roundabout has been laid out. End of..

Zanatdy · 16/08/2024 09:16

If traffic is approaching you have to wait, that’s the rule of a roundabout, give way to the right. You can’t just go as you think that car should be driving slower. You’re BU

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 09:16

AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 09:10

20 is not as slow as you think. There are no 30 limit roads in this area. It’s the absolute max.

lol. I know how slow 20mph is. But thanks.

Bellamari · 16/08/2024 09:16

There are 8 pages of replies telling OP they’re wrong and not driving correctly. If it hasn’t sunk in by now it’s not going to!

wandawaves · 16/08/2024 09:16

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 09:09

@wandawaves have you driven in the UK? How does approaching a roundabout differ? I'm wondering if essentially everyone stops for the roundabout (apart from those you've mentioned obviously) meaning there's a reduced traffic flow or increased accidents/risk of? I imagine this rule changes the drivers behaviour significantly. I'm not sure if I think it's better or not. I think it could be if done correctly but as we all know, the percentage that do it correctly either way round isn't great. 😂

No I've never been to the UK. But roundabouts generally flow pretty well here, because there's not too much stopping... everyone just flows around. Many of them are a decent size though.
There are small roundabouts, but they generally are not in a busy area.

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 16/08/2024 09:14

I think pp are wilfully misunderstanding tbh.

OP’s point is that drivers are treating the roundabout as if it doesn’t exist. Barrelling through as if they’re on a main road and the third exit is a t junction onto that main road. Hence they don’t slow down at all.

OP knows that you give way to the right. On a ‘normal’ roundabout with plenty of room and a fairly even distribution of traffic from each route, this works well. But on a three-road mini roundabout (even one with fairly even exits), you actually have to look at the whole thing as you approach; we’ve all been in that situation where all three drivers get there at roughly the same time and no one is sure who should go! Mini roundabouts are actually quite tricky in that regard. You cannot act as if it’s a main road with no obstacle.

On OP’s roundabout, cars don’t take that into consideration. They treat it as a straight through road.

AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 09:10

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 08:56

"But there usually is a steady stream of traffic joining from the left so the driver coming from the right should be slowing down because one of those cars may want to turn right and cross his path."

The speed limit for the road is 20. This is to allow time for any decisions to be made and reduce injury to pedestrians. At 20, there is no need to slow down because you're already going sooooo slow. If the left are going right, they'll be indicating. This will cause the right to stop and give way. If they don't indicate, at a speed limit of 20, everyone will have time to react. That's probably why you haven't had an accident pulling out on people - the reduced speed limit allows time to react.

20 is not as slow as you think. There are no 30 limit roads in this area. It’s the absolute max.

OP posts:
MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 09:09

@wandawaves have you driven in the UK? How does approaching a roundabout differ? I'm wondering if essentially everyone stops for the roundabout (apart from those you've mentioned obviously) meaning there's a reduced traffic flow or increased accidents/risk of? I imagine this rule changes the drivers behaviour significantly. I'm not sure if I think it's better or not. I think it could be if done correctly but as we all know, the percentage that do it correctly either way round isn't great. 😂

AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 09:08

Kelly51 · 16/08/2024 07:54

I beg to differ and you haven't yet miraculously caused an incident.
If you expect traffic to slow down to allow you out, all traffic then slows , this is blind ignorance on your part.
You've now had 100s telling you you're wrong and yet persist in trying to twist it to suit your poor driving.

Look, if it makes you feel better that you have educated some random person on the internet not to drive out in front of 40 tonne trucks then fine, I’ll let you believe that’s what has just happened. Makes no difference to me.

OP posts:
wandawaves · 16/08/2024 09:02

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 08:52

Where do you live?

Not the UK.

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 08:56

"But there usually is a steady stream of traffic joining from the left so the driver coming from the right should be slowing down because one of those cars may want to turn right and cross his path."

The speed limit for the road is 20. This is to allow time for any decisions to be made and reduce injury to pedestrians. At 20, there is no need to slow down because you're already going sooooo slow. If the left are going right, they'll be indicating. This will cause the right to stop and give way. If they don't indicate, at a speed limit of 20, everyone will have time to react. That's probably why you haven't had an accident pulling out on people - the reduced speed limit allows time to react.

MoreCardassianThanKardashian · 16/08/2024 08:52

wandawaves · 16/08/2024 03:25

If you are asking are other drivers breaking the road rules at this roundabout, sounds like no, as per the links PP have posted.

If you are asking are other drivers driving like dicks and being unsafe, sounds like yes! Especially if there is a pedestrian crossing at the right, that's so unsafe to fly through there, what if someone steps out onto it? Joggers and kids on bikes seem to appear out of nowhere sometimes!

Where I live, the rule is that you give way ONLY to traffic on the roundabout. BUT, so many people think the rule is you give way to anyone approaching on the right... so that means that the safe and sensible thing to do, is to give way to cars approaching on the right (if you don't have a big enough space to go before them). I'm teaching my kids to drive, and I am teaching them "would you rather be right, or in an accident?".

So yes OP I agree that people are driving unsafely and it's frustrating, but if you want to avoid an accident, you're just going to have to deal with it unfortunately.
If you are sitting there forever waiting for streams of cars coming from your right, it sounds like they perhaps need to look at replacing the roundabout with traffic lights.

Where do you live?

Kelly51 · 16/08/2024 07:54

I beg to differ and you haven't yet miraculously caused an incident.
If you expect traffic to slow down to allow you out, all traffic then slows , this is blind ignorance on your part.
You've now had 100s telling you you're wrong and yet persist in trying to twist it to suit your poor driving.

AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 07:46

Kelly51 · 16/08/2024 07:44

What about if a 40 tonne lorry is coming from your right, they can see clearly there is nobody to slow for , you pull out because you think they should slow down, you are now dead and have caused a catastrophic rta.
Do you still think you shouldn't give way?

I’m not a complete idiot.

OP posts:
Kelly51 · 16/08/2024 07:44

What about if a 40 tonne lorry is coming from your right, they can see clearly there is nobody to slow for , you pull out because you think they should slow down, you are now dead and have caused a catastrophic rta.
Do you still think you shouldn't give way?

TheWellSungGame · 16/08/2024 07:35

They have the priority to carry on. You can only join ahead of them if your actions don't force them to change speed.

If you don't change your approach to this roundabout, one day you're going to misjudge it badly enough or cut up a distracted driver, and they're going to drive right into your door. If it's that hard to join, perhaps change your route to avoid.

bridgetreilly · 16/08/2024 03:30

And yes, they are supposed to slow down as they approach the roundabout. You, however, are not supposed to cause them to slow down by pulling out in front of them. That is dangerous driving, and you don’t get exempt from that by claiming that they started it.

bridgetreilly · 16/08/2024 03:27

You are wrong. I literally failed my first driving test on this. There was a car coming from my right, not yet on the roundabout, so I pulled out. The examiner judged that it was dangerous of me to have done so and I ought to have waited because he had right of way.

wandawaves · 16/08/2024 03:25

If you are asking are other drivers breaking the road rules at this roundabout, sounds like no, as per the links PP have posted.

If you are asking are other drivers driving like dicks and being unsafe, sounds like yes! Especially if there is a pedestrian crossing at the right, that's so unsafe to fly through there, what if someone steps out onto it? Joggers and kids on bikes seem to appear out of nowhere sometimes!

Where I live, the rule is that you give way ONLY to traffic on the roundabout. BUT, so many people think the rule is you give way to anyone approaching on the right... so that means that the safe and sensible thing to do, is to give way to cars approaching on the right (if you don't have a big enough space to go before them). I'm teaching my kids to drive, and I am teaching them "would you rather be right, or in an accident?".

So yes OP I agree that people are driving unsafely and it's frustrating, but if you want to avoid an accident, you're just going to have to deal with it unfortunately.
If you are sitting there forever waiting for streams of cars coming from your right, it sounds like they perhaps need to look at replacing the roundabout with traffic lights.

autienotnaughty · 16/08/2024 02:35

Everyone should slow down approaching a roundabout (mini or otherwise). You slow down, look right, if it's clear you proceed. By clear this means no traffic on the roundabout and no traffic close enough to the roundabout that they would have to brake if you pulled out. (Apply the same logic as turning right at a junction.) If there is oncoming traffic you stop and wait then proceed when clear. Each lane should do that.

If you are causing traffic to need to brake to avoid hitting you, you risk causing an accident.

AndiOliversGlasses · 16/08/2024 00:36

invisiblecat · 15/08/2024 23:46

The car coming along the main road to your right doesn't need to slow down because they aren't giving way to you, they would be giving way to approaching traffic coming straight towards them and indicating to turn right, down the road you are on. If there is no oncoming traffic, then they can see from a long way back that they don't have to give way to anyone. You are basically cutting them up.

But there usually is a steady stream of traffic joining from the left so the driver coming from the right should be slowing down because one of those cars may want to turn right and cross his path.

OP posts:
invisiblecat · 15/08/2024 23:46

AndiOliversGlasses · 15/08/2024 16:59

But why would it not slow down to a reasonable speed on approach so that I don’t need to give way, as we can both cross the roundabout at our own reasonable speeds?

Edited

The car coming along the main road to your right doesn't need to slow down because they aren't giving way to you, they would be giving way to approaching traffic coming straight towards them and indicating to turn right, down the road you are on. If there is no oncoming traffic, then they can see from a long way back that they don't have to give way to anyone. You are basically cutting them up.

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