Other people’s Botox habits making me look old

How do people get tret? Can you get it aboard?

How old are you, lol!

I don't think people in their 30s realise what an ageing face really looks and feels like. Its not just wrinkles. Wrinkles are fine to a point. It's sagging, looking grumpy all the time, looking tired, having lots of youthful energy but seeing an old, miserable person looking back at you. Having botox has been a game changer for me. I wear very little make up and permanently look as though I've just got back from the world's most relaxing holiday.

But why do you want to look younger than you are? The Botox look just tells other people that you are insecure and don't mind having a plastic-looking face. You're not very old at the moment, but just age gracefully - wrinkles are the story of our lives, we should be proud of them. Oh, and stop bothering about what other people think!

Agreed

Same here, I can move it, I just don’t (not my forehead, anyway)!

Im 40 with no wrinkles or Botox. I don't want people to assume I use it either, I'd hate that. My face is my very expressive either which likely explains less wrinkles but I can move it!

I’m fed up with people presuming that those of us in our 40s with no forehead lines or crows feet are using Botox.

I’m mid 40s and have never used Botox (or tret or retinol). I do use spf, have a regular basic skincare routine - I always cleanse and moisturise, don’t sunbathe, drink lots of water, don’t drink alcohol, don’t have a very expressive face (I don’t scrunch up my forehead whereas I notice others do), and looking at my parents I’m lucky with genetics.

I once heard a work colleague make a comment that made it sound like she thought I’d had Botox, and this was over 10 years ago. My forehead can get a little shiny during the day and apparently this is a sign 🙄

I read similar on the ‘how old do I look’ post the other day. People saying that those in their 40s with no lines must have had Botox, and the shiny skin is a giveaway. This mid 40s woman has no forehead lines and has never even been tempted by Botox, and it’s really annoying when people presume others have had it when they don’t know that this is the case.

Have you got a link to those studies? Because a) botox has been around for a long time & is approved for medical use for migraine, dystonia & spasticity & b) cosmetic facial injections are subcutaneous (so just beneath the skin) so the only nerves nearby are tiny sensory nerve endings.
Someone with Parkinson's will classically have reduced facial movements (as the main issue with Parkinson's is slowness of movement generally) so might look a bit like someone who has had way too much botox but that's just 2 things looking a bit alike, not cause & effect.

I do know what you mean OP, you almost need to get the work done in order to keep in line with your peers.

Also, please submit a gentle complaint about the teenager. Really is about the worst thing you can say to a customer when in the beauty sector!

It doesn't, though. Celebs have access to the best practitioners in the world and they all still look within about 5 years of their age. J Lo (55) is probably the most natural looking but when you take away the insta filters, she still looks like a (stunning) mature late 40s.

If the therapist is skilful it does.

I’ll never understand the “but how could you inject a TOXIN” scaremongering - our own bodies produce toxins, and so many things we encounter and ingest on a day to day basis are toxins. If you never touch soft drinks or alcohol, only ever eat organic food, don’t venture into polluted city centres, only clean your house using 100% natural ingredients, and don’t buy anything in plastic packaging to avoid cross-contamination you might have a point. But it always amuses me how many people sneer about Botox yet have far more dangerous toxins in their day to day life; many of which we don’t even know are there. At least botulinum toxin has been rigorously trialed, tested, and otherwise studied by the medical profession - unlike whatever your Pepsi/Tesco apples/Vanish carpet spray is laced with.

Lots of sun creams - most, actually - have also been found to contain “dangerous” ingredients, but they’re obviously still better than not wearing any. That’s why there are laws on what % they’re allowed to contain of certain chemicals. A ton of it would kill you, but a certain threshold is appropriate. Why would it be any different with Botox? And I know the answer is that we don’t “need” Botox in the same way we need sun cream or cleaning products or fruit, but life would be pretty boring if we only ever did things because we had to!

Except it doesn't make you look younger in the real world. It just makes you look like a middle-aged woman who's had botox.

Apologies...video attached

https://www.dermatica.co.uk/referrer/27QLEK

here is a dermatica link - if you use it I get a discount on my next prescription and you also get a discount of £10.00.

few tips - it’s on online prescription only treatment. Go through the online questions, upload a no-makeup photo as requested and then in the other comments section I wrote “interested to try tretinoin please” a day or so the consultation results came back and it was agreed I’d benefit from tret. So I’d definitely recommend adding you want to try it.

I have been using it for a year now and my forehead lines and 11s have definitely got finer. As an added bonus I don’t get a spot on my chin when I have my period.

a tube lasts longer than a month but you can easily go into your account and amend when your next delivery will be - so it works out pretty cheap for such a great product.

hope this helps.

Actually I read an article recently which suggested that studies didn't support preventative botox as being particularly effective. So I'm not sure it is. Having it in 30s still makes sense as there are lines etc but the point they were making is 20s, not.

I'm in my 60s so no longer have any skin in this game (ho ho) but the rest of you have a choice: you can get the Botox and look young or you can not get the Botox and look old. That is just how it is in the real world.

Yes,I completely agree. I attach a video (quite a long watch), but really quite concerning. It's regarding the tear trough filler and how lots of practitioners have stopped doing them.

You don't see the irony then? They are literally putting a poison into their body in an attempt to look good. That to me makes them stupid.

People injecting themselves with a toxin cannot go on about healthy eating in my book either.

I get my Tret from family in another country so no use to you. I believe you can get it from Skin and Me or Dermatica in the UK. There are numerous threads on this.

Tret may not suit everyone; I have thick oily Asian skin which needs drying. Its the best thing I have done for my skin though. It doesn't do anything for sagging or jowls though. But as I said upthread, I don't think looking your age or even older is anything to be ashamed of. I don't want to look like Sandra Bullock. That's too shiny and odd for me.

I was the same. Had spinal surgery and after the relentless pain had gone, looked in the mirror and realised the pain was still etched across my face
Had Botox 3 times but haven't had any since 2019, started tret with skin and me in 2020 and pretty happy with my skin now

Good for you @Wrennyjenwren

I exercise for my weight, I get Botox for my crows feet. Totally separate things.

I'm on minimum wage and save some every month for it, it's worth it to me as it makes such a big difference. I don't get haircuts etc

I know for a fact if I ate better, reduced stress, and exercised, my skin would probably look brighter and I'd be less inclined to invest in Botox.

Don’t think botox and fillers makes people look younger. Lots of very young people are getting them and looking like freaks though it’s unnecessary.

People tend to look younger if they maintain decent skincare, good haircut, clothing, bit of make up etc. Some people just look older than their age due to genetics. .

But, as mentioned multiple times, 17 year olds are notoriously bad at judging ages!