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Or is this unforgivable?

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AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:18

I’ve been married a year. Knew my husband for 3 years before we married.

Shortly after we married I found out that when we had met, he was still in a relationship. He had checked out of the relationship with the ex, but had kept her on the hook for almost 2 years while looking for something better. 6 months before we met, he had cancelled her visa (it was a partner visa linked to him) and she had been forced to move back to her home country. He told me they were broken up, but in reality they were still speaking every day and she was very much under the impression that he was looking for a job in her country. He continued this relationship for a year after we met until she got fed up and met someone else.

This came so soon after the wedding that I was knocked for 6. My husband convinced me that he had no feelings for her and was only continuing the relationship because she was mentally fragile and suicidal. It was only on the phone and it meant nothing. I agreed to try to get over it. I’m from a conservative culture and had to face a lot of opposition for marrying a white man. I was ashamed of losing face with my community. I’ve posted about this bit before. Now there’s more.

I have now found out that he had been visiting this ex in her home country and been sleeping with her, and attended weddings with her as a couple. I’ve seen messages sexting and wishing each other happy anniversaries months and months after he started dating me. This was all during covid, I wasn’t really keeping track of his movements, he told me he was attending the weddings alone.

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK. She moved in with him a few months after we met, and lived with him at least 6 months (possibly more as this was during covid, I don’t know for sure). He says he broke up with her before she arrived, but had to let her live in his spare room as she had moved for him and had nowhere else to go (not true, her job would have provided her paid accommodation). Even if it’s true they were broken up while living together, he had cheated on his more recent ex for 2 years with two different girls while stringing her along. He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

Please be gentle. My head is all over the place and I don’t know what’s real and fake any more. My husband has dismissed the whole thing saying they meant nothing, it was a mistake, he chose me not them etc. etc. It doesn’t feel like nothing, it feels very very cruel and manipulative. He can be kind but is also very conflict avoidant and a people pleaser, and can be quite selfish in his decisions, as this clearly shows. Ever since I found out about the more recent ex, he seems to have checked out of our marriage, but says he wants to work on things.

We’ve been married for a year. No kids no joint assets. AIBU in thinking that this is very very wrong? Or have I lost all perspective and it was early in the relationship so I should let it go? What on earth could possibly justify what he did? What could he have been thinking?

Due to family and cultural stuff, I need to think about what I do very carefully. I’m not saying that I agree with the cultural bullshit, just that my family will make life hell for me if I leave, but I may well be in a hellish marriage, so I’m kind of between a rock and a hard place.

OP posts:
tsmainsqueeze · 15/08/2024 10:53

You deserve so much more than this excuse of a man ,equally you deserve the respect of your family .
Please leave and make a happy life , any family who put image and reputation before their beloved daughter aren't worth bothering with.
Your freedom awaits don't hesitate .

DaisyChain505 · 15/08/2024 10:51

Screw “family and cultural stuff”

this man has lied, disrespected you and treated you like dirt. There’s nothing to think about. Leave him.

Your family and culture should want you to live a happy life, not be miserable just to save face.

The more people in certain cultures break stupid traditions the more it will become normal to do things for your self and not because you think it’s what you should do.

life is far too short to be unhappy, disrespected and treated like crap.

LemonMead · 15/08/2024 10:50

Not RTFT but get out now while it's as easy as it'll ever be, OP. Sympathies to you - you deserve better than this awful person.

fruitbrewhaha · 15/08/2024 10:49

nextdoorconundrum · 15/08/2024 07:38

I think many men behave like this before they meet 'the one' . Until this point they don't feel any shame in sleeping around. He didn't marry either of the other girls. He married you. He can't change his sleazy past.So is frustrated that you have pulled him up on behaviour he can not now do anything about and to him is 'in the past'

That's how I expect him to be thinking.

You on the other hand would not of hung around long enough to become the one' had you known his behaviour.

Only you can know if you can forgive.

No, they really don’t all behave like this.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/08/2024 10:48

@AbominablePloughMan At 32 you do have time to meet someone else and have kids, even with the trust issues you will no doubt have. You just have to remember that most men don't actually do this. But please don't waste another second of your life on this man.

This is probably looking way too far ahead, but if you separate from your husband and then have an unplanned pregnancy with someone else very quickly, there could be an administrative nightmare to sort out if you are still married to your husband when you have a baby, because as your husband he will be assumed to be the father. So don't waste any time in getting divorced, just in case you move on with your life quicker than anticipated.

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 10:40

Thanks for all the responses so far. I understand what everyone is saying. I think I’m in shock, and I’m also grieving the future I thought I had. Obviously I know this is a phantom future since my husband is not the person I thought he was. I’m still trying to get my head around what made him do such a thing. What did he get out of it beyond stress and divorce? Why did he bother marrying me?

As many have pointed out, I do want kids. I’m 32 and feel like I spent 4 good years on a fantasy. I guess I’m also coming to terms with the fact that kids may not happen either. I find the thought of trusting another man unthinkable now.

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Izzynohopanda · 15/08/2024 10:34

He’s a s-hit isn’t he. If you stay, it’ll only get worse.

Get out and start living your life. Yes, your family may make it difficult for a while, but once you’ve moved on, it will be yesterday’s news.

Whete do you want to be in five years time? Regretting you didn’t do something sooner?

wp65 · 15/08/2024 10:27

LunaNorth · 15/08/2024 07:52

OP, you sound as if you have your head screwed on properly. You’re mature enough to be married, and you have a job in which you make life and death decisions for people, by the sounds of it.

Let this version of you make this decision - not the parentally/culturally conditioned part. I know that won’t be easy, but neither will living your life with a man who will in all likelihood ruin it. How are you ever going to be able to relax and trust him, knowing how he lied to you with such ease?

This is a really good response.

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 10:20

God help you OP, but he is lying scum.

Real lying scum.
Thank god you are not financially tied to him, nor have children.
This is a bad man.
Please do not believe a single word out of his mouth.

You need to get yourself into therapy asap.

Your family will only ever bring you pain and grief so unfortunately you have many tough decisions to make.

Don't throw your life away by accepting these toxic people in your life.

Could you look for a job transfer far away?

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 10:11

Could you tell your family a white lie like 'He told me he didn't want kids'. Would that make things easier?

Tell them you've discovered he's a cross dressing bisexual.

If they're conservative, that could be fun.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 10:09

oh and don't forget he did it because she was 'suicidal'.

The suicidal/unstable line reminds me of the excuses cheating men use not to leave their wives. And conversely also used to justify to their wives why they didn't end the relationship with their OW unequivocally.

It's "I string women along and cheat on them but it's only because I'm such a nice, sensitive, kind guy. I was a hostage to the risk of them harming themselves, poor poor me".

(It's up there in the golden oldies with "I can't leave my wife because I can't break up my kids home, cause I care a about then so much". Ah so that's why you're cheating on their mother and risking getting caught, resulting in years of hurt, bitterness, dysfunction etc if you stay and years of hurt, acrimony and bitterness if you leave; rather than just keeping your dick in your trousers until you leave. Sure).

timenowplease · 15/08/2024 10:05

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

He's obviously very good at what he does. After all, you are not the only woman he fooled-you have quite a lot of company!

Could you tell your family a white lie like 'He told me he didn't want kids'. Would that make things easier?

BlastedPimples · 15/08/2024 10:04

He does sound cruel and callous. The way he has treated those women and you.

That's who he is.

And you had to work quite hard to piece it all together. He didn't want you to know it all. He knows it's not right or acceptable.

Can you get out of this marriage quickly?

It's not that you're not special. It's just that he will treat you the same way it's who he is. What he does.

People do not change. And yes, I do believe cheaters will always always cheat. But more than that. This man's character is so dishonest and unkind to do what he's done.

Findingmypurposeinlife · 15/08/2024 09:59

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:00

Thank you for sharing. I can’t believe there’s more than one person out there like this? Do you mind me asking how you ended it at last? And did you ever understand anything more about his motivations, or what made you susceptible to such gaslighting behaviour?

You don't need to ask yourself why you 'fell' for the lies - as soon as you found this out, you are facing up to them and dealing with them head on.
Get out while you can.
I lost everything (everyone) and as devastating as it was, it has made me much more emotionally stronger. (More than I could ever have imagined)

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:57

Cancelling that women's visa was a cruel thing to do and then to string her along

This too.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:57

your parents, culture will get over it

This. I've seen many divorces and broken engagements ...they become ancient history quite quickly.
Years later, which go by fast, people often forget the person was even married before, and if reminded, struggle to remember to ex's name.

If your family bring it up after a while, it's only because they enjoy castigating & abusing you.

Which is another subject.

MintyNew · 15/08/2024 09:56

Op many men do not behave like this. He was in his 30's, not some 20yo starting out life. Cancelling that women's visa was a cruel thing to do and then to string her along with the weddings and stuff, oh and don't forget he did it because she was 'suicidal'.

You are dealing with a very dangerous man here. The danger is that he will wrap you in emotionally and then make your life an absolute nightmare. Leave. Your family will get over it in time, but dont commit yourself to a very unhappy life.

MintyNew · 15/08/2024 09:53

Thelondonone · 15/08/2024 07:23

The cultural bullshit will be temporary and your parents, culture will get over it. If you don’t leave you are accepting a lifetime of misery.

This op. You will be condemning yourself to a life of misery and regret not doing anything about it when you had full knowledge of who he really is. He has treated so many women SO badly, what makes you think you will be any different?

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:51

but I’ve asked if there’s a chance he’s learned a lesson.

Wasn't he at this with more than one other woman?

He's a cheater and liar. He's happy to be involved with more than one woman while "forgetting" to mention that to them.
He's also been extremely nasty when found out.

The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour.

I would not be hitching my wagon to that.

I never know whether posters who encourage people to give bastards and dickheads second chances are extremely naive, non risk averse .. or sadists.

toomuchfaff · 15/08/2024 09:48

Get out and get out now while you still have no kids.

Don't know where to begin... Lies, deceit. If he's cheated before he will do it again, he has no respect for you, at some point you'll be the one he tires of and moves onto another. He is not a good one.

Get out of this marriage, get away from this man, don't believe a word he says. If he told me it was raining outside I'd have to go check. He will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear but he will never tell you the truth. Leave and take some of your control back.

It's OK to admit that you made. mistake, you have walked through the wrong door, you made a mistake by believeing this man and marrying him, but it's absolutely stupid to stay in that wrong room for the rest of your life.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:45

but the fact that he has been horrendous since is also very telling regarding who he really is.

Yep.

RoachFish · 15/08/2024 09:43

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:18

Yes, it is the tip of the ice berg. He has done a bunch of other horrendous stuff in response to me finding out. I’m keeping this thread focussed just on the original crime, because my gut feeling is that the subsequent rest is irrelevant, this in itself is unforgivable.

Im wracked with guilt and self blame. I put myself on the line to marry him, and had to really face a lot of criticism. How could I have got it so wrong?

You are right that what you have mentioned here is in itself unforgivable, but the fact that he has been horrendous since is also very telling regarding who he really is. You have been manipulated, lied to and cheated on, the guilt and shame should firmly be with him, not you. He has made it his life mission to con women and he has obviously got quite good at it because I am certain that you or the other women he has conned as fools. You are just decent human beings who don't walk around being paranoid that somebody is trying to pull the wool over your head. It's normal and healthy to live life like that and his actions have zero reflection on you.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:42

He sounds like he had at least three women on the go at the same time.

And that he lied to all of them.

His integrity is ..... MIA.

People generally don't act like that and then suddenly stop.

I wouldn't beat yourself up.... Many smart, educated, attractive women have not seen red flags and ended up in worse situations. I can think of a few celebs just off the top of my head.

You have no shared kids, no ties, no financial mess ....you've actually dodged a bullet here. It could be way worse.

If your family gave you so much shit for dating and marrying a white man (just because of race) they must be prejudiced, bigoted, irrational etc.so I really wouldn't be taking anything they think seriously or giving it credit.
Nonsense from them is just par for the course.

You're sadly going to have to find coping mechanisms for dealing with their foolishness, on top of the pain & disappointment of dealing with this specimen.

A decent family member would be concerned, sympathetic, sorry you were in this position, supportive & protective towards you..... In total contrast my what you know you're in for from them. That says anything you need to know about them. In the nicest possible way (!) fuck 'em.
This is your life, your welfare, your happiness, your stability; look after your interests and forget about your nutty family. Replace anything the say with "blah blah blah".

It would be insanity to invest further with this "man".

Tagyoureit · 15/08/2024 09:41

You cannot stay in a marriage just to save face within your culture so you know what you need to do if you're completely honest with yourself.

Expect better!

Saltedbutter · 15/08/2024 09:31

Comtesse · 15/08/2024 09:11

What are you on about??

The OP says “he cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl”.

This is pretty awful not just some “boys will be boys” chickenshit thing.

What are you on about??

She said they spoke for a year. Which, of course, is unforgivable but I’ve asked if there’s a chance he’s learned a lesson.

Please could you highlight where I’ve said, or implied, that ‘boys will be boys’?

Have you woken up looking for an argument?

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