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Or is this unforgivable?

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AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:18

I’ve been married a year. Knew my husband for 3 years before we married.

Shortly after we married I found out that when we had met, he was still in a relationship. He had checked out of the relationship with the ex, but had kept her on the hook for almost 2 years while looking for something better. 6 months before we met, he had cancelled her visa (it was a partner visa linked to him) and she had been forced to move back to her home country. He told me they were broken up, but in reality they were still speaking every day and she was very much under the impression that he was looking for a job in her country. He continued this relationship for a year after we met until she got fed up and met someone else.

This came so soon after the wedding that I was knocked for 6. My husband convinced me that he had no feelings for her and was only continuing the relationship because she was mentally fragile and suicidal. It was only on the phone and it meant nothing. I agreed to try to get over it. I’m from a conservative culture and had to face a lot of opposition for marrying a white man. I was ashamed of losing face with my community. I’ve posted about this bit before. Now there’s more.

I have now found out that he had been visiting this ex in her home country and been sleeping with her, and attended weddings with her as a couple. I’ve seen messages sexting and wishing each other happy anniversaries months and months after he started dating me. This was all during covid, I wasn’t really keeping track of his movements, he told me he was attending the weddings alone.

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK. She moved in with him a few months after we met, and lived with him at least 6 months (possibly more as this was during covid, I don’t know for sure). He says he broke up with her before she arrived, but had to let her live in his spare room as she had moved for him and had nowhere else to go (not true, her job would have provided her paid accommodation). Even if it’s true they were broken up while living together, he had cheated on his more recent ex for 2 years with two different girls while stringing her along. He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

Please be gentle. My head is all over the place and I don’t know what’s real and fake any more. My husband has dismissed the whole thing saying they meant nothing, it was a mistake, he chose me not them etc. etc. It doesn’t feel like nothing, it feels very very cruel and manipulative. He can be kind but is also very conflict avoidant and a people pleaser, and can be quite selfish in his decisions, as this clearly shows. Ever since I found out about the more recent ex, he seems to have checked out of our marriage, but says he wants to work on things.

We’ve been married for a year. No kids no joint assets. AIBU in thinking that this is very very wrong? Or have I lost all perspective and it was early in the relationship so I should let it go? What on earth could possibly justify what he did? What could he have been thinking?

Due to family and cultural stuff, I need to think about what I do very carefully. I’m not saying that I agree with the cultural bullshit, just that my family will make life hell for me if I leave, but I may well be in a hellish marriage, so I’m kind of between a rock and a hard place.

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eviconfused · 22/08/2024 20:36

First of all my deepest sympathies. This all sounds incredibly tough.

Not sure if it was mentioned before but you really need a therapist who will help u figure out what’s real. My ex gaslight me in the true meaning of the word. He was abusive, had another relationship, he was an alcoholic. Yet I was convinced that it was all my fault. I am a very logical woman but he managed to alter all inputs to my logic to make it justified. He ended up not only blaming me but being angry at me for him leaving!

Also I am not sure anyone else has mentioned; this man strung along at least two women while he was with you, never really told them he broke up with them. He let them get bored and figure it out.
This is not a one off cheating situation. This is cruel repeated behaviour. He went to weddings with this woman? That is not just cheating, that’s living a double life. How do you know he is not currently looking for something better right now? How do you know he hasn’t found it and is waiting for you to get phased out?

you said yourself in another comment that he has been different since you found out. Says he wants to work on things but not really acting like it.

Your answer is in his behaviour my love. Had he regretted deceiving you and all these other women he would be remorseful and doing everything in his power to show it to you (and them). It shouldn’t be on you to fix this.

I feel for you, I really do. And as someone with a similar story that lasted a lot longer, I can tell you there is happiness on the other side. And I can also tell you that your family, even if conservative, prefer you to be happy (I was also expected to marry within my country). In the end my heartache was so prolonged and agonising, they were the biggest supporters of the divorce.

I hope you find peace x

Minxmumma · 21/08/2024 09:48

@AbominablePloughMan put the visa issue to one side. You seem to be fixating on that rather than face the real issue here.

Look at everything else you've shared with us. The man is awful. He is destructive, deceitful and cruel. If a friend was to come to you in this situation what would you tell them?
Please protect yourself while you still can

AbominablePloughMan · 21/08/2024 03:02

Allie47 · 20/08/2024 06:17

The whole visa thing is a lie. You can only get visas for a spouse not a partner and one person can't 'have it' cancelled.

Also, literally 2 mins of research gives you this

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/proof-income-partner

Family visas: apply, extend or switch

Get a family visa for the UK, live with your spouse or relative - eligibility, proof, renewing, financial and English language requirements.

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/proof-income-partner

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TryingToBeHelpful267 · 20/08/2024 16:37

Get out as fast as you can.

He has transgressed far more than any decent person would do.

i can’t believe some of the terrible advice you’re being given.

He’s cheated on you already and probably plans to do to you what he did to the most recent ex.

Don’t stay in an awful marriage to save face, take your lumps you married a scumbag. We all make mistakes (just not as many as your husband has).

WoolySnail · 20/08/2024 12:49

You're worried about leaving (understandably) because of everything you'll have to go through, but just think what you'll have to go through if you stay?

No good can come of this relationship, as you'll either be stuck with him continuously treating you badly or him doing that but leaving you anyway ( which I suspect your parents would still blame you for) so you may as well do what's best for you and deal with the fall out now.
I know its easy for us to all sit here typing out what to do, but honestly a lot of us have been there and we know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Big love and hugs to you; you got this xx

Wabberjockey · 20/08/2024 11:45

You have to leave. You have to. It’s your only choice.

AbominablePloughMan · 20/08/2024 11:06

Allie47 · 20/08/2024 06:17

The whole visa thing is a lie. You can only get visas for a spouse not a partner and one person can't 'have it' cancelled.

This was in his home country, not the UK. I’ve deliberately left out details of locations and the kind of work we do (where there are partner visas which are linked to the employed partner specifically). I’ve explained in other threads which I don’t want linked to this one. People have reported this thread already, mumsnet has reached out. All the details here are true.

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Mamabear487 · 20/08/2024 08:46

Please go back and read your post. 1000% you need a divorce he will do the same to you!!

TimetoPour · 20/08/2024 07:00

The day I met my husband, I was already in an unhappy relationship that I didn’t know how to end. We met through a friend and we really got on well. It was a turning point for me. I knew I couldn’t stay. Do you know how long it took me? I was moved out in less than 3 weeks and never saw the ex again. I made it happen and so would your “DH” if he had any respect for you or any of the other women he has strung along.

He has had more chances than he deserves. He has lied to you and cheated on you repeatedly. Get yourself out of there. Get your brother to help you speak to your parents and ask your trusted friends for help. I would be devastated if I though one of my friends was going through this alone x

Allie47 · 20/08/2024 06:17

The whole visa thing is a lie. You can only get visas for a spouse not a partner and one person can't 'have it' cancelled.

OoLaaLaa · 20/08/2024 03:56

@AbominablePloughMan ok, so what is he getting from you? He married you - is he living in your house, is he in the country because of you? He sounds like he is married to you for a reason that is not honest.

Letsgocamping67 · 19/08/2024 23:12

Remember you only need to tell your parents a very small reason as to why you are splitting up. Don’t give them all the ammo to beat you up.

hastalavista · 19/08/2024 23:04

He sounds like a psychopath. Whatever u do dont have children with him. Family shame fir leaving him etc yes it will be horrible, but having children together ties you together forever and he will use them to hurt you.
People dont change that much especially as he is already in his 30s. When people show you who they are, believe them.

TreeOfLives · 19/08/2024 22:52

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pikkumyy77 · 17/08/2024 17:01

He is a juggler—only he juggles relationships not balls. And he is a con man—he says what he needs to in the moment, robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is only ever viable as a short term strategy. Or in a french farce where the writers work hard to keep all the actors moving in and out of all those doors.

Once you really see it you can’t unsee it. He is at the stage where he is juggling knives and he can’t keep up the pace. It is all going to come crashing down But because his style is Mr Winsome/sensitive some part of the audience will continue to empathize with him and excuse the damage.

AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:29

HoneyLimesBlossom · 16/08/2024 21:22

Just a passing comment OP - (i’ll message properly later i’m out right now) but you say he’s a ‘people pleaser! .. how so?

as he sounds like a PEOPLE ‘TAKER’ , a piss taker! NOTHING whatsoever sounds like a ‘people pleasing ‘ ‘man’

He has a very mild, submissive and pleasing demeanour. He bends over backwards committing to things he has no chance in hell of seeing through because he can’t say no. But he doesn’t exactly kill himself to follow through either, he just doesn’t see the consequences of his actions (committing and not following though). He sort of says anything that will get him out of a tight spot in the moment and the consequences are a problem for another day. He seems very very short sighted. This plays out at work and at home. I know he’s been getting on people’s nerves at work too.

I haven’t spoken to the ex ex, but I know that she has reached out to him many times to try and get back together, including moving countries the last time.

The more recent ex told me (via a mutual friend) she was devastated when her visa ‘couldn’t be renewed’ and stuck around in a LDR with him because being with him was ‘a dream come true’.

How is it that he’s kept this facade up for so long, in his personal life and at work, but only now it’s all starting to unravel all at once?

His family think he’s lovely and kind and gentle and the perfect son/brother/uncle. But he’s been quite selfish towards them too. I’ve been dragging him to see his dad with cancer/call his stressed mum/see his nephews.

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AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:20

femfemlicious · 15/08/2024 13:01

My goodness 😱. This marriage can only get much worse.

It gets worse. I’ve mentioned upthread that I’ve left a lot of other subsequent stuff out of this thread (I’ve posted about the other stuff before too). I’m trying to keep the focus on this one thing rather than pulling the thread in too many directions.

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AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:16

Beth216 · 15/08/2024 11:51

It's sounds OP like you moved from a narcissist mother to a narcissist OH - pretending to be lovely and pretending to do things for other people's benefit, never to blame for anything, needing constant attention from as many sources as possible, lies as easily as breathing, gas lights you till you have no idea what's true and what's not - your OH is ticking a few boxes don't you think?

Unfortunately I don't think it's that unusual when you've had a narcissist for a parent. Of course you need leave, you need to put yourself first and not any of these people who will suck the life out of you.

I think this is it. I’ve not just been naive or made a mistake, I’ve been groomed towards something like this for my whole life. Therapy and space have made this clearer in my foggy mind, and so much of what has been said on this thread resonates strongly with me.

I’ve had failed relationships before, but ‘normal’ bad. Nothing like this.

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Turquoise123 · 17/08/2024 13:49

I am so sorry this has happened to you. Do you have anyone that you know who can support you ?

Nonononoway · 17/08/2024 12:47

Is for forgivable? Fuck no.

Nonononoway · 17/08/2024 12:46

You says he’s told you, he chose you, but do you choose him?
he has deprived you of the right to decide if his appealing behaviour is acceptable to you. Why should he decide for you ?
forget him and family, do what is right only for you.

Needafriend14 · 17/08/2024 12:15

He's a sociopath !! please get out now while you can. As far as your parents are concerned explain this horrendous situation in a letter. If they still judge you and refuse to accept it well shame on them and I would be questioning their sanity.

Zanatdy · 17/08/2024 06:49

Oh OP this is awful. Both your awful cheating husband and your parents behaviour. I’d dump both and get some therapy. You don’t have to accept this behaviour from either of them.

A friend of mine’s DH was in a relationship with someone else for a good few months when he got together with my friend. She was distraught when she found out, he said he didn’t know how to end it with the other woman so found himself with 2 women on the go. I was so surprised when she told me as when you meet him, you find it hard to believe he would do that. But he did, she forgave him, they later married and had children and she does genuinely trust him. They’ve been happily married over 20yrs. But in your case this is a pattern of repeat behaviour, him wanting his cake and eating it

lolit · 16/08/2024 23:58

He cancelled her visa and continued this relationship for a year after we met

Jesus, he is straight-up a sociopath. Run and consider yourself very lucky you never had kids or joint assets with this man!!!!

JoBrandsCleaner · 16/08/2024 23:53

I think you’ve got no choice really, divorce is a stressful thing to go through but he’s ridiculous.
he objectifies and uses women, he probably doesn’t have a genuine connection very often with any of them. He’s a compulsive liar. Can you really imagine having kids with such a selfish loser? You’d have to rely on him, that would be a lot more scary then facing up to your family, they’ll be ok in the end they’re still speaking to you now even though you married him.
He’s just not the person you thought he was, that’s not your fault. Your intentions were decent and genuine and you love(d) him, this is all his fault.

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