to feel quite shocked that DH has PTSD from teaching?

You've reported my comments because I have a different opinion to you.

None of the points anyone have suggested have been more important then someone ending their life. I also asked what advice people would give to a friend who was suicidal due to their job whether they would tell them to leave or sit back and watch them end their life but nobody has answered that either

I think you're right, @Differentstarts is enjoying this. Anyway, I've reported some of their comments.

If you're going to keep going on on this thread, please could you engage with some of the points about WHY it's hard to leave?

What on earth is wrong with you? Are you enjoying yourself??

Teaching needs desperately to get beyond 'if you don't like it, just leave'.

It has been like that for years, and teachers have left, loads of them, to the massive detriment of education. Experience has left, courses have been cut, children are left without teachers.

We now need to be at the point 'if that many teachers don't like it, things need to change, and fast.

I'm hoping that Labour will come up with something a bit better than 'you can take your PPA at home'. We're due Ofsted this year, and teachers will know what that's like. I really hope they speed up binning single grade inspections.

Just stop now.

Between 2011 to 2015 139 female teachers took their own lives in England. Their poor families.

All this, exactly.

You don't know that, though. I'd say that the day I seriously considered driving at high speed into a wall on my way into work suggests serious mental illness.

I'm pretty sure you are trying to be supportive here. But, actually, it's not working.

I stand corrected, apparently the post about twats wasn’t aimed at you. Bit confused about that exchange so I’ll leave it for the posters involved to clarify.

Back to the topic of this thread, I do think this isn’t about you and you’re making it about you and not really being truly open to other people’s experience in teaching.

Regarding OPs husband and others, what you don’t seem to grasp is that leaving the profession they loved and trained for can have a bad impact on your mental health. Therefore “just leave” isn’t the panacea to all teaching related mental health problems.

I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that all these teachers are just particularly sensitive! Please try and be more considerate of their feelings and lived experiences.

Can you not understand that when you're in a bad situation, it's hard to see things objectively? I DID leave years ago and I stand by every word. I've really tried to explain how you get to the point of feeling like it's you (the teacher) who's the problem and not feeling empowered to leave. It's really not as simple as you're making out, and multiple people have told you this, and for some reason you won't accept people's actual experience. You also have no idea of what MH issues posters have.

But it's not your fault do you not see how toxic your being treated this isn't normal and by staying people are allowing this to happen. I understand none of you still teaching have suffered serious mental illness yet but I have and I am telling you nothing is worth that.

She started two comments with "you're part of the problem," one aimed at you and one aimed at noblegiraffe. The twat discussion clearly relates to the one aimed at noblegiraffe, given that she used that word. The post you're up in arms about wouldn't even make sense if that poster was trying to call you a twat.

We've all explained so many times why "just leave" isn't good advice. In vocational careers, people feel like failures if they quit; it's a slap in the face to have dedicated yourself to your degree(s) and the subject you love to have to give it all up for something totally unrelated; teachers care about their classes, hence not just going off sick instead of working the long notice periods; in schools, not coping and even illness are viewed as weakness, and you don't even get to rest when sick - you still have to plan your lessons and I'm sure I'm not alone in knowing people who were hassled to send lesson plans from their hospital bed (and did it); that environment, therefore, institutionalises you into feeling that it's your fault if you can't handle it and you should just keep going anyway because you don't matter.

Is that enough for you to stop?

Thankyou for clarification I based it on another poster saying it was about me. So if heyho said it to you then she's saying your part of the problem as that's how the post started. Or was it about me and your now trying to gaslight me which If that's the case I really hope you don't do that to the children you teach.

You're not being called a twat.

You jumped into a conversation I was having with another poster about Katharine Birbalsingh being a twat on social media and made it about you.

So if you had a friend on the edge of a mh breakdown over a job what advice would you give or would you just sit back until they killed themselves. I find it odd as a professional adult who cares for children that your telling me to get of the thread but you have no issue with someone calling someone else a twat

What is wrong with you???

Just stop it.

Stop the insults.

Stop with the whole wide eyed 'it's so simple' routine.

Just get off this thread and start your own somewhere else.

But it's irrelevant whether it's teaching, health care, the police service ect. It's still the same if it affecting your mental health to that point my advice would be the same. But her husband left after it happened that is the point don't let it get that far. But to be honest if I'm being called a twat and the other things that have been said to me on this thread just by saying a person's health is more important then their job which is what every single person should be saying and I'm getting these reactions I think teachers need to be looking at themselves because that's not a normal adult reaction. It's just showing how highly sensitive the people in this profession are which means the reality is you would all struggle in any job.

It truly is a tragedy for all parties concerned. A lot of us get it. As I said before; the more you care about doing a good job in a system that fails you, the bigger the blow to your MH. Forgive firststarts because her intentions are good but she doesn't really understand what we are talking about. All my sympathy to you and your family.

They can clarify but I think that comment was indeed directed at you, and I suspect the other poster means it’s not about you as in - this thread isn’t about you.

You’ve tried to be helpful no doubt and given your opinion from the perspective of someone who has struggled with MH but you haven’t experienced teaching.

I don’t think it’s that helpful to keep repeating the “just leave” message, considering multiple people are saying it’s not that easy to leave for various reasons and even leaving itself has ramifications for their mental health.

For example the OP has shared the impact leaving teaching had on her husband despite the fact he did have to leave for his mental health.

Another ex-teacher here: during my career 32 years) I saw quite a number of colleagues suffering from what I now would recognise as mental health issues; some battled on, some left. I worked in a large number of schools in different areas of the country (England), so I’m pretty sure it’s endemic. Unfortunately I have no easy answers!

Best of luck to your husband, Funnys.

I stopped teaching 18 months ago - early retirement. I was utterly burnt out and yes, have spent the time since leaving work coping with PTSD. Schools are shit-shows. As someone said, no-one actually cares about the teachers. The kids can be challenging but mostly rewarding. It's management that screw you over. Big time. I was actually good at my job, turned lots of lives around, but I was micromanaged, under-mined and rarely given any credit.
I never want to walk into a school ever again.
No-one outside teaching really has the first idea about how broken it all is.
All the best to your husband.