to feel quite shocked that DH has PTSD from teaching?

FunnysInLaJardin · 2024-08-14T21:47:50+00:00

Its feels pretty awful tbh. He has just today received this diagnosis and has been referred for priority EMDR. He has taught for 25 years in a secondary school, and got out last year due to clinically diagnosed burn out. I knew it was bad, but I never realised it was this bad. How can this be allowed to happen?

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 26/08/2024 19:12

spanieleyes · 26/08/2024 18:56

You've had to trawl back five and a half years to find a post from one teacher saying they can manage their workload within an eight hour day. Well done😳

Ignore them! This is nothing more than a personal attack on me, I don’t feel any need to divulge what setting I work in. Details regarding my contacted hours or my lived experiences working there to prove a point to aggressive strangers on the internet.

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Differentstarts · 26/08/2024 18:59

spanieleyes · 26/08/2024 18:56

You've had to trawl back five and a half years to find a post from one teacher saying they can manage their workload within an eight hour day. Well done😳

I can post more this was the first that came up when I typed in how many hours do teachers in the UK actually work. There's loads on their explaining how they managed their workload better. You should give them a read there's some good tips

spanieleyes · 26/08/2024 18:56

You've had to trawl back five and a half years to find a post from one teacher saying they can manage their workload within an eight hour day. Well done😳

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noblegiraffe · 26/08/2024 18:34

Don’t feed the troll.

cardibach · 26/08/2024 18:32

Differentstarts · 26/08/2024 18:17

All I know the schools I worked in the teachers wasn't their until 9pm and all through the holidays

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You know it’s possible to do school work from home?

Differentstarts · 26/08/2024 18:17

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 26/08/2024 18:09

I work 10 hour days 51 weeks of the year actually.

The rest of your utter tripe I’ll choose to ignore.

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All I know the schools I worked in the teachers wasn't their until 9pm and all through the holidays

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I work 10 hour days 51 weeks of the year actually.

The rest of your utter tripe I’ll choose to ignore.

FriendlyRobin · 26/08/2024 17:02

Sigh. Don't engage.

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Oh yeah that myth about short days. It wasn't unusual for me to finish work at 9pm, after starting before 8am.

cantkeepawayforever · 26/08/2024 15:45

A role can be ‘not remotely similar’ and still be hard. A nurse’s job is hard. So is a teacher’s. So are many other jobs.

So it can be simultaneously true that a nursery manager’s job has many differences from a teacher’s AND that a nursery manager’s job is tough. There is no need to denigrate the demands of job A to prove that job B is tough.

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User8646382 · 26/08/2024 11:20

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 23/08/2024 18:42

Early years and KS1. With respect if you don’t know then don’t speak on it. Teaching staff have is vastly harder than management in the majority. If complaining about it worked it’d never happen, you know as well as I it’s just not that simple.

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But you’re not a nursery owner and you don’t work as a manager, so how do you know that teaching staff have it vastly harder than management? I bet if I told you what I have to deal with, you wouldn’t believe me. I get parents emailing me at all hours of the day and night, expecting to receive an immediate reply. Some of those parents, especially the parents from vulnerable families, are not particularly stable and the emails are often abusive. They are usually about some perceived slight or wrongdoing from the staff, who God forbid, have lost a hat or said something on the door (eg, “Hello”) that has been misinterpreted as a racial insult.

I don’t think for a minute that it’s easy working as a teacher, but it sure as shit isn’t a picnic working in management either. I’m curious about why you think it is?

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 23/08/2024 18:42

User8646382 · 22/08/2024 19:28

Well, I can’t comment on that really. I don’t know how much that goes on in nurseries. I would think it was pretty unusual, as employees have so many rights. Why put up with it when you don’t have to?

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Early years and KS1. With respect if you don’t know then don’t speak on it. Teaching staff have is vastly harder than management in the majority. If complaining about it worked it’d never happen, you know as well as I it’s just not that simple.

User8646382 · 22/08/2024 19:28

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 21/08/2024 23:28

It’s not, but it doesn’t mean and is no excuse for mistreatment and workplace bullying of the room staff is it?

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Well, I can’t comment on that really. I don’t know how much that goes on in nurseries. I would think it was pretty unusual, as employees have so many rights. Why put up with it when you don’t have to?

User8646382 · 22/08/2024 19:24

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 22/08/2024 03:30

User8646382 · 15/08/2024 19:30
Don’t forget, the management have to deal with the parents. It’s not for the faint hearted, to say the least.

This isn’t even true. Teachers have to deal with parents evenings and emails.

Of course it’s true. It was a response to someone who was commenting on working in a nursery, not a school.

As a nursery owner, I can assure you that I do a lot more than deal with parent evenings and emails. I don’t doubt for a minute that teachers have a tough job, but believe me, it’s no picnic dealing with parent complaints and sob stories about why they can’t pay their nursery fees either.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 22/08/2024 03:30

User8646382 · 15/08/2024 19:30
Don’t forget, the management have to deal with the parents. It’s not for the faint hearted, to say the least.

This isn’t even true. Teachers have to deal with parents evenings and emails.

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 21/08/2024 23:28

User8646382 · 15/08/2024 19:30

Don’t forget, the management have to deal with the parents. It’s not for the faint hearted, to say the least.

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It’s not, but it doesn’t mean and is no excuse for mistreatment and workplace bullying of the room staff is it?

ThePlumVan · 20/08/2024 21:05

howchildrenreallylearn · 15/08/2024 20:34

This is very sadly true.

I’ve witnessed staff being bullied out who were excellent teachers but new management came along and decided they wanted old staff out and new staff of their ‘own’ in. I’ve also seen it happen to great teachers whose ‘face doesn’t fit’.

Until I went into teaching (later in life) I had never experienced such bullying - even in my own school days. There is a very toxic environment in many schools that parents often don’t see.

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I couldn’t agree more.

A new HT means out with the old and in with the new (& cheap), irrelevant of how good they are.

Any PiP should be supportive in getting an improvement (not that one is needed), instead it’s used as a tool to torment, demean, and bully out.
Usually, they go off with WRS and are attendance managed out before (fake) PiP is completed any way.

As was planned months in advance by HT.

howchildrenreallylearn · 20/08/2024 20:38

MrsSunshine2b · 19/08/2024 13:57

To dismiss a teacher it's a long process but if management want them gone it's just a matter of time.

The usual process is:

"Support" plan (usually a set of unreasonable targets with ludicrous timescales and zero actual support)
Informal Capability (teacher put under intensive scrutiny and rigorous monitoring that makes the job unbearable- most leave at this stage)
Formal Capability (same as previous stages but all pretence of wanting to "help" them stay in the job is gone now and the gloves are off, SLT will be doing everything possible to prove the teacher is incapable.)

The teacher is expected to keep the entire process secret from colleagues, so will have no support, the Unions are mostly useless, and any attempt to defend themselves is seen as being unwilling to accept criticism or improve. Of course, most things in teaching are subjective so they can throw anything at you. You can be told that one lesson was too hard and another had insufficient challenge, that you were too strict with one pupil and too lenient with another. Hard data to prove good progress is not enough but if it shows poor progress, you will be blamed, regardless of outside factors that could have caused it. Bad behaviour of the pupils is also entirely your fault and will be used against you.

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I have seen this exact thing happen too many times to colleagues. Usually older experienced staff as someone else has pointed out. It’s heartbreaking.

The bullying culture in schools is disgusting. It’s one of the reasons I left to EHE my own DC. It was terrible to watch happen even though it didn’t directly happen to me. At the time when I deregistered my DC from school I did so because of the ridiculous curriculum expectations and the ‘one size fits all’ style of education. But when I reflect on my teaching days, I know that deep down my decision was as much driven by me not wanting my own children to be IN that environment 5 days a week.

Many parents do not realise that this staff/SLT bullying is common in schools and as someone else upthread has pointed out is for sure linked to bullying amongst the students. It creates an unspoken toxic environment that the students/children would never be able to articulate as it’s difficult enough as an adult to see it for what it is until it’s too late.

💐 for teachers everywhere.

cantkeepawayforever · 20/08/2024 11:51

Primaries have not, in general, reached that stage.