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to think Rachel 'Raygun' gun has broken the phrase 'Oh for the confidence of a mediocre man'?

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Raygunstun · 14/08/2024 13:25

( Ok, yes I know I am late to the party on this one).

I'm talking about the Australian women's entry into the breakdancing at the Olympics.

She went out there with absolute confidence, and complete lack of self awareness, and did really terrible breakdancing. It wasn't even really breakdancing. It was like some sort of interpretative dance. Her moves were clunky and slow. they did not flow, the connections between moves were awkward. She was like a competitor in a very, very local competition. And she appeared to have no awareness of this. I know there is a lot of creativity and expression in breaking, but it surely has to be combined with technical skill.

She also appears to have no awareness that the Olympics is about showcasing outstanding physical prowess and technical expertise. Both of which she clearly lacked.

In a way, I admire her confidence, but I don't admire her lack of awareness. I also do not believe she was the best female breaker in Australia.

Part of me feels a bit sorry for her as the break dancing world is clearly her world, but I can't help feeling she got so lost in the theory of the ' expressive' side of breaking she kinda lost sight of the technical skill side. A bit like Rachel Dolezol got so lost in the theory of race being a social construct that she lost sight of the fact you actually need to be black to be black.

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floatingislands · 19/08/2024 00:41

He's better than her at it, but still moves like a middle-aged man just "giving it a go" at a drunken party. She has no rhythm, poor coordination, and no instincts for dance (of any kind). I think they are just trendy delusionals.

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 19/08/2024 00:27

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Her husband will have helped choreograph it - see his own moves from the link at end of this thread.

floatingislands · 19/08/2024 00:18

What bemuses me is in her recent IG post she said defiantly she "worked her butt off" - in which case someone, at least her husband/coach, must have seen that "routine" more than once and noticed it was really shit.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 20:54

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 20:34

The BBC article I linked to covers this and says those claims are not accurate.

ignoring the responsibility of an entire system and putting all the blame on an individual is just unreasonable, in my opinion

The point is, no one was forcing her with a gun to her head to go. In her interviews she sounds deluded. Saying she knew she had no skill but wanted to do something different is just pretty insulting. Imagine a runner crawling to the finishing line or a or a Simone Biles climbing onto the pommel horse and rolling off it, or divers landing on their backs in an effort to be "creative".
It's cool to have a hobby, and she's much better Im sure than an average Joe, but there are lots of hobbyists who don't try to force their way to the Olympics. She actively sought to be selected knowing she was nowhere near the other contestants, surely you can't say it's on the "system". She does not deserve the hatred and the abuse, but they absolutely need to look into that selection process.
It's just unlucky for her she lives in times where everything is a meme, I bet the guy with a bil bulge is happy someone was even more ridiculous to take off the heat of him.

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 20:34

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 19:47

According to the articles I read, she was responsible and so was her husband (who was also her coach, would they not think to hire someone who knew the stuff?). At any rate, if you know you suck, why put yourself forward. Like that Somalian runner who covered 100m in over 20 seconds at some championships a few years ago and bunny hopped at the end, but was the niece of the Somali president or prime minister.

The BBC article I linked to covers this and says those claims are not accurate.

ignoring the responsibility of an entire system and putting all the blame on an individual is just unreasonable, in my opinion

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Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 19:47

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 19:27

That’s a system fail though. She is not responsible for the system or for better dancers excluded by it.

According to the articles I read, she was responsible and so was her husband (who was also her coach, would they not think to hire someone who knew the stuff?). At any rate, if you know you suck, why put yourself forward. Like that Somalian runner who covered 100m in over 20 seconds at some championships a few years ago and bunny hopped at the end, but was the niece of the Somali president or prime minister.

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 19:27

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 17:36

I didnt, I was just referring to the paragraph you mentioned she genuinely loves breakdancing. Love is not enough and on her behalf it was a crappy argument that she knew she was shit but wanted to represent Australia; if half of what people say about her qualifying is true, then she was fully aware she would flop to the max and so did everyone, but she would also have known there were better candidates and yet she was the one with a chance to go.

That’s a system fail though. She is not responsible for the system or for better dancers excluded by it.

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WTAFisthisnonsense · 18/08/2024 17:49

Kath and Kim episode 'Roots' is definitely worth a watch. Some of the moves are identical to Kath's

to think Rachel 'Raygun' gun has broken the phrase 'Oh for the confidence of a mediocre man'?
Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 17:36

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 17:07

Did you miss my last sentence?

I didnt, I was just referring to the paragraph you mentioned she genuinely loves breakdancing. Love is not enough and on her behalf it was a crappy argument that she knew she was shit but wanted to represent Australia; if half of what people say about her qualifying is true, then she was fully aware she would flop to the max and so did everyone, but she would also have known there were better candidates and yet she was the one with a chance to go.

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 17:07

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 16:57

I can't play tennis but love it, does not mean I should go to the Olympics to do something creative with it and let's say serve into an audience just because I know it will be fun and different. And having it paid by my country so that I can have a blast.

Did you miss my last sentence?

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Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 17:04

Concluding as pressed post too soon, she may love breakdance but is totally delulu and should have enough self wareness to not turn up. I feel for the community who is now being harassed as a result of her stupidity.

And last but not least, let's remember the worthy people who could do it and who WON- the amazing for Japan! Because sadly everyone is talking about some talentless wannabe pretending to be a breathless fish, but hardly anyone knows who actually won the medal!

Compare the difference! And then try to figure out why someone like Raygun made it there.

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Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 16:57

Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 15:51

Apparently the judges who selected her knew she couldn’t compare to the other Olympian breakdancers.

I think my latest view is that she genuinely loves breakdancing, knew she was out of her league and decided to go all in on originality. And just badly misjudged what she did. Rather than having any ulterior motive. I think this fits with her comments and life pre Olympics.

I think it went so badly for her as BD is creative, so it’s not like just coming in well behind others in a race. As a creative expression, you are much more exposed and likely to fall on your face. I think it raises issues about sending competitors who are so far from the standard required to events like this.

I can't play tennis but love it, does not mean I should go to the Olympics to do something creative with it and let's say serve into an audience just because I know it will be fun and different. And having it paid by my country so that I can have a blast.

murasaki · 18/08/2024 16:57

I was watching the darts yesterday and one of the Aussie players had adapted his walk on to incorporate the kangaroo, it was funny and topical. And given it was the New Zealand Masters, the audience pissed themselves laughing.

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Raygunstun · 18/08/2024 15:51

ZanyFox · 18/08/2024 06:55

Quite. If we did, we'd be questioning his sanity. Sad that we are supposed to accept that a woman who does this is just 'giving it a go'.

At least the first round 100m sprinters from small countries who didn't even have an athletics track had an excuse!

Apparently the judges who selected her knew she couldn’t compare to the other Olympian breakdancers.

I think my latest view is that she genuinely loves breakdancing, knew she was out of her league and decided to go all in on originality. And just badly misjudged what she did. Rather than having any ulterior motive. I think this fits with her comments and life pre Olympics.

I think it went so badly for her as BD is creative, so it’s not like just coming in well behind others in a race. As a creative expression, you are much more exposed and likely to fall on your face. I think it raises issues about sending competitors who are so far from the standard required to events like this.

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ZanyFox · 18/08/2024 06:55

Golden407 · 18/08/2024 06:50

Err maybe, to be fair I've never seen a man stand in an Olympic event that he is so hopelessly unqualified and lacking the required talent to compete in and then complain that everyone's laughing at him??

Quite. If we did, we'd be questioning his sanity. Sad that we are supposed to accept that a woman who does this is just 'giving it a go'.

At least the first round 100m sprinters from small countries who didn't even have an athletics track had an excuse!

Golden407 · 18/08/2024 06:50

Impasse · 14/08/2024 13:39

I didn't see the performance in question, but this is one woman. One woman who danced badly once.

Whereas the self-confidence of the mediocre man is endlessly apparent in vast numbers of instances, untrammelled by context, geography, culture, social class etc.

Err maybe, to be fair I've never seen a man stand in an Olympic event that he is so hopelessly unqualified and lacking the required talent to compete in and then complain that everyone's laughing at him??

Roastiesarethebestbit · 16/08/2024 21:46

i reckon a large chunk of the uk Olympians don’t have another job and will be training full time and receiving funding from some sporting body (lottery funding?). I saw an interview with some swimmers who said they trained for 10 hours a day! Such dedication (admirable, but not something I would do ever encourage my child to do).

Porridgeislife · 16/08/2024 17:17

Iwasafool · 16/08/2024 16:17

No, I think the emotions about sport have got to a ridiculous level. Bring back the amateur olympics. I think quite a bit of the emotion might be linked to how much money they might make.

The vast majority of Olympians ARE amateur athletes. There is a very select few sports where you can make a proper living beyond the big money league ones (golf, tennis) and the TV friendly sports (swimming, athletics, gymnastics).

Money is very much the last thing on their minds as they cross that finish line.

TheKeatingFive · 16/08/2024 16:48

Iwasafool · 16/08/2024 16:17

No, I think the emotions about sport have got to a ridiculous level. Bring back the amateur olympics. I think quite a bit of the emotion might be linked to how much money they might make.

The Olympics are amateur

Iwasafool · 16/08/2024 16:17

Porridgeislife · 16/08/2024 11:42

Really? You can’t imagine how you could be overwhelmed by emotion after spending the greater part of your childhood and early adult years in search of a single sporting goal, and you finally achieve it (or miss it)?

No, I think the emotions about sport have got to a ridiculous level. Bring back the amateur olympics. I think quite a bit of the emotion might be linked to how much money they might make.

ZanyFox · 16/08/2024 15:13

I've finally watched this. I can only assume it was epic level trolling. The concept that it was done genuinely is a hard one to get your head round.

Porridgeislife · 16/08/2024 11:42

Iwasafool · 15/08/2024 16:21

The thing I can't stand is when they cry, I'm not sure if its worse if they cry when they win or when they lose. I'd definitely rather have a laugh.

Really? You can’t imagine how you could be overwhelmed by emotion after spending the greater part of your childhood and early adult years in search of a single sporting goal, and you finally achieve it (or miss it)?

Porridgeislife · 16/08/2024 11:35

Truthfully I hope she goes the way of Lay Down Sally. Keeps her head down and fades into obscurity via family life and a bit of yoga (breakdance) teaching.

Raygunstun · 16/08/2024 06:56

Doingmybest12 · 15/08/2024 18:29

I don't know her motivation, but I felt what I saw was disrespectful. Like if you did high jump at the Olympics, you went under the bar deliberately and bounced on the crash mat for fun, or if you threw the shot put ,you sort of stood there and plopped it in front of you. What ever she did or was allowed to do was poor judgement and its a shame someone else ,with more talent wasn't supported to attend.

Yes, I think this sums it up.

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