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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

OP posts:
DickEmery · 15/08/2024 15:28

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 15/08/2024 12:16

When I do this at the grocery store, it's because I've been busy bagging the items and putting them in the trolley. Can only do so many things at once.

Same. Unfortunately unlike the pp I can't use my spare third hand to get my purse out while I'm bagging/packing.

suburburban · 15/08/2024 15:16

taxguru · 15/08/2024 10:25

Re helpful/unhelpful staff, I've found town centre stores to be horrendous for grumpy, unhelpful, unpleasant staff.

I prefer to go to out of town retail parks, particularly designer outlets for clothes. Usually staff are so much happier, friendly and more helpful.

I wonder if the "typical" town centre experience makes town centre staff miserable, i.e. the drunks, beggars and druggies, nowhere to park, etc., and then the chavs coming in to the shops being entitled nasty twats, stealing stuff, etc.

It's clear that drivers prefer out of town retail for free/easy parking, fewer "undesirables", etc., simply based on the sheer numbers of cars at out of town places compared to city centre car parks, so I suspect that affects staff too.

Just a few weeks ago, went to a different designer outlet for the first time when we were holidaying in the UK and was really impressed at how clean and tidy it was, no drunks/druggies hanging around, and in nearly all the stores we went into, the staff were really friendly and helpful. We even had a good experience (first time ever) in the Subway for lunch when the people behind the counter actually spoke rather than grunted, and seemed happy to pass the time of day with customers, even some smiles (unheard of in Subway!).

A lot of town centres seem to attract the underclasses and "problem" people, so it's hardly surprising town centre workers aren't jumping for joy as they have to deal with them on a daily basis. At least most shoppers only have to run the gauntlet of the great unwashed and chavs only once a week or so!

Yea that is a good point

The outlets have security staff as well I should think

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 15/08/2024 12:16

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 15/08/2024 00:36

I buy so much online and have it delivered or pick up. I can’t stand self service machines. I had a full trolley in Sainsbury’s and the assistant told me to self check out. It was a basket self check out, why should I? Waste of my time, I left the trolley there.
I also hate it when you walk in to the shop and they have 20 of that item in one specific size and no other sizes. ‘I’m looking at you Matalan’.
Also, why do people who queue ages only just decide to get their card/money out after they’re told the total and they then take ages fumbling in their bag/wallet for it 🙄

When I do this at the grocery store, it's because I've been busy bagging the items and putting them in the trolley. Can only do so many things at once.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 15/08/2024 11:57

ComtesseDeSpair · 14/08/2024 11:12

A lot of these examples involve poorly paid retail workers who don’t get paid extra for the closing or the cashing up if they have to stay beyond their set hours, and retailers who deliberately understaff their stores to save money. Taking your ire out on staff for being lazy or not wanting to inconvenience themselves is often misplaced - sure, some of them are lazy, but there’s not a chance if I had to work for minimum wage that I’d go above and beyond for it, for other people’s benefit and my employer’s profit margins. Complain to the businesses with poor business practices, rather than staff.

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I used to work in retail - iirc full time staff got paid a little extra for cashing up time, part time staff didn't and you couldn't get the time back either, which was great when you had no supervisor on your dept at closing time, the supervisor who was supposed to come finish off the cashing up forgot, the different supervisor you went to find and who said they'd come over when they'd finished their dept also promptly forgot and you had to wait for everyone else to finish so someone from the office could come down...

And if people want to complain about staff cashing up early, I'm sure retail workers have plenty of stories of customers who wouldn't leave the damn store, even with the announcements of closing in ten minutes, staff going over and telling them the store is closing in ten minutes, five minutes, we're closed and will have to get security to let you out and then they're all surprised the doors are locked and that we will indeed have to get security to let them out.

Grammarnut · 15/08/2024 11:54

MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 13:24

What’s “entitled” about expecting a service advertised as open until 8 to be open at 7.45? How early should I have to go?

You've clearly never worked in retail. I have. You cash up before closing time so that you can close on time. To expect the shop to serve you 30 seconds before closing time is what I meant by 'entitled' - if they do they are being helpful (which most shop assistants are when you can find one). Yes, they are open. No, you shouldn't spend half-an-hour shopping/making a return etc. which is going to take a long time and mean the shop worker misses her bus home (likely to be a bus - retail wages are not great) after she's been on her feet all day (shop managers are antsy about shop assistants sitting down even if there are no customers). Inconsiderate might be a better word - the same as leaving clothes that fall off hangers on the floor, because it's the shop assistants' job to pick them up. Yes, it is, but perhaps you dropped them, or caused them to fall, or you found them on the floor - considerate to put them back.
*second person 'you' meaning 'any customer' not you @MiamiWindMachine personally.

taxguru · 15/08/2024 10:25

Re helpful/unhelpful staff, I've found town centre stores to be horrendous for grumpy, unhelpful, unpleasant staff.

I prefer to go to out of town retail parks, particularly designer outlets for clothes. Usually staff are so much happier, friendly and more helpful.

I wonder if the "typical" town centre experience makes town centre staff miserable, i.e. the drunks, beggars and druggies, nowhere to park, etc., and then the chavs coming in to the shops being entitled nasty twats, stealing stuff, etc.

It's clear that drivers prefer out of town retail for free/easy parking, fewer "undesirables", etc., simply based on the sheer numbers of cars at out of town places compared to city centre car parks, so I suspect that affects staff too.

Just a few weeks ago, went to a different designer outlet for the first time when we were holidaying in the UK and was really impressed at how clean and tidy it was, no drunks/druggies hanging around, and in nearly all the stores we went into, the staff were really friendly and helpful. We even had a good experience (first time ever) in the Subway for lunch when the people behind the counter actually spoke rather than grunted, and seemed happy to pass the time of day with customers, even some smiles (unheard of in Subway!).

A lot of town centres seem to attract the underclasses and "problem" people, so it's hardly surprising town centre workers aren't jumping for joy as they have to deal with them on a daily basis. At least most shoppers only have to run the gauntlet of the great unwashed and chavs only once a week or so!

Sladuf · 15/08/2024 10:11

Shopping in Boots has become more trouble than it’s worth too I’ve found. Visited four branches in the last few months and had decent service in one of them. I’d received a load of those Advantage card points vouchers but they all had to be used in store, which is all well and good but the standards of in store experience now are rubbish.

Went to one store on a Sunday and they had one person serving and from what I could see three other members of staff not doing a great deal. The person being served and the shop assistant behind the till obviously knew each other and were having a catch-up. My friend was with me and the pair of us decided after ten minutes to forget it. We went to Superdrug just across the road and bought what we needed for less money and were served straight away.

I went to another branch I used to go to after work to pass the time and avoid being sat in traffic. It used to be very good for customer service. This time around I was waiting for well over 15 minutes trying to buy some aftershave. Went looking for someone to come and help and couldn’t find anyone. Eventually did - “can you find Sue instead?” I said I don’t know who Sue is because I don’t work in the store - where would I find her, what does she look like? She was huffy and said, “I’ll go and get her then!” This lady then arrived and was like Basil Fawlty when serving me.
It’ll be a long time before I return to that branch!

Coastalcreeksider · 15/08/2024 09:49

Sparklingwineandcheese · 14/08/2024 11:23

Matalan have recently removed all their manned tills. I don’t love self service, simply because it’s putting people out of jobs to increase the ever growing profits, but the Matalan ones are particularly awful. You have to take the security tag off yourself, which causes chaos because it’s much harder than it looks!

I stopped going into Matalan as you only got a manned till for cash and refunds. They changed it to all tills and a few weeks later went back to only one till and rest self service. 🙄

I only go in with cash now but there are always more people queuing for the manned till because the self service ones always seem to need assistance.

parkrun500club · 15/08/2024 09:18

Flopsythebunny · 15/08/2024 09:08

The company I worked for 10 years for didn't.

I had Saturday jobs in various jobs and they all expected you to stay beyond closing time and didn't pay for it. It was generally 10-15 minutes. And yes, you needed to be there at least 5 minutes before opening to put your stuff in your locker and be ready to get on the till/counter when the shop opened.

I had one job where I got in at 8 to stock shelves and finished at 4, so I did leave on time there, although only if I was relieved on the till in time (which did usually happen but I bet it doesn't now).

HotCrossBunplease · 15/08/2024 09:18

Flopsythebunny · 15/08/2024 09:08

The company I worked for 10 years for didn't.

Was it M&S? If it wasn’t, irrelevant.

parkrun500club · 15/08/2024 09:16

KnittedCardi · 14/08/2024 23:12

Bullshit. The social interaction is part of the sales pitch. If you have two shops, selling the same thing, one entirely self serve, and one with helpful friendly staff, I know where I would shop. I would even pay extra. In fact, I do choose shops who give good personal service, I am sure I am not alone.

Depends on the purchase.

If you are buying clothes and want assistance or want advice about the best new TV to buy, yes.

Going into the supermarket for some milk and eggs, no. I just want to pay and leave.

And I don't want to stand in a queue at the post office or Boots because they are the last bastion of Stalinist queuing either.

if you want interaction go to the library or smaller shops. Or find a hobby and join a club.

Greenlittecat · 15/08/2024 09:16

LittleBearPad · 15/08/2024 09:01

This (and all the other similar comments) is utterly irrelevant to the thread.

And your response is so enlightening.

Flopsythebunny · 15/08/2024 09:08

HotCrossBunplease · 14/08/2024 23:38

Someone who used to work for them has already been on and confirmed they pay for all the work done after the store closes.

The company I worked for 10 years for didn't.

LittleBearPad · 15/08/2024 09:01

Greenlittecat · 15/08/2024 08:08

I think you've misunderstood what Revolut is.

This (and all the other similar comments) is utterly irrelevant to the thread.

Beebop1784 · 15/08/2024 08:38

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Greenlittecat · 15/08/2024 08:08

I think you've misunderstood what Revolut is.

Trail374 · 15/08/2024 08:02

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 15/08/2024 00:36

I buy so much online and have it delivered or pick up. I can’t stand self service machines. I had a full trolley in Sainsbury’s and the assistant told me to self check out. It was a basket self check out, why should I? Waste of my time, I left the trolley there.
I also hate it when you walk in to the shop and they have 20 of that item in one specific size and no other sizes. ‘I’m looking at you Matalan’.
Also, why do people who queue ages only just decide to get their card/money out after they’re told the total and they then take ages fumbling in their bag/wallet for it 🙄

Sainsbury’s-I hear you!!!!!

Then you have to try and balance all the items on a tiny bagging area to stop the machine going nuts which it does every time over something like a bag of herbs being too light let alone items being removed from the bagging area.Then you have to wait ages for help.

No, no, no!

So you always go through the tills but now they only have 4 cashiers open on a Friday evening peak shopping time.

Who is going to voluntarily sign up for this? Not me.

MiamiWindMachine · 15/08/2024 07:57

Iasonnas · 14/08/2024 20:44

"I like to have some cash at least. You never know if everywhere will take cards."

🤣 you withdraw it from the machine in the foreign country not buy it here using a Revolut which she can't accept anyway.

Why would you go to the effort of getting a Revolut card for travel and then literally do yourself out of a decent exchange rate? Fucking bonkers

Why are you obsessing about this? It really isn’t relevant to the thread.

Also, you’re wrong. It’s more expensive to use cash machines abroad than it is to get cash here.

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BobnLen · 15/08/2024 07:27

I use a jute Seasalt bag for my shopping, the machines don't like them which is a pain, a flimsy carrier bag is not suitable when walking as I generally am and popping in for a few bits.

the80sweregreat · 15/08/2024 04:52

I often place my bag ' for life' away from the scanning machine at its feet as it's just easier than having it moaning at me about an unexpected item.
if it's only a few items that tends to work.
I don't mind the self scanning machines as I can pack as I go round in the bigger shops , but I appreciate it is taking jobs away from people :(

Sladuf · 15/08/2024 04:40

LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:31

I am perfectly capable of using self checkout. I just don't see the point. The other day I had 5 items and had to call the assistant over 4 times. The machine won't accept an empty shopping bag without staff approval, I had alcohol and paracetamol, the birthday card wouldn't register in the bagging area.

I feel your pain, @Seeline. Self service checkouts hate me, they seem to delight in doing all the above and then more, like just refusing to scan an item or two and constantly accusing me of putting an "unexpected item in the bagging area".

My malign influence even extends to neighbouring checkouts. In one supermarket, the man at the one next to me kept being told to place his produce on the scales every time he scanned the pack of 3 pairs of pants he was trying to buy...

I think we may have been separated at birth! I’m convinced I was jinxing this poor bloke using the self serve tills next to me at a Tesco Extra I occasionally shop in the other night. I was half way through scanning when this guy started scanning a handful of items. From what I could see he did nothing wrong but every time he put what he’d just scanned into the dreaded bagging area, he was met with, “please wait!” It was around 10:30pm and you could tell the poor guy just wanted to get out and get home.

I’ve had the exact same problems @Seeline described at one of the other branches of Tesco I regularly visit. Choose the option to add own bags before scanning, place bags in bagging area when the message on the screen says to do so and get, “please wait while we verify your bags.” I never have this issue when I use the self-serve tills other branches or other supermarkets.

Jumpingthruhoops · 15/08/2024 03:13

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Not really. I know how to do it. But if they want me to do it, they can pay me.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 15/08/2024 00:36

I buy so much online and have it delivered or pick up. I can’t stand self service machines. I had a full trolley in Sainsbury’s and the assistant told me to self check out. It was a basket self check out, why should I? Waste of my time, I left the trolley there.
I also hate it when you walk in to the shop and they have 20 of that item in one specific size and no other sizes. ‘I’m looking at you Matalan’.
Also, why do people who queue ages only just decide to get their card/money out after they’re told the total and they then take ages fumbling in their bag/wallet for it 🙄

Nadeed · 15/08/2024 00:30

Iasonnas · 14/08/2024 23:51

"Some people may only have a Revolut account."

What's that got to do with the price of euros?

I think they were talking about buying currency. But it is the law that currency can only bought using certain methods, it is part of money laundering regulations. Revolut does not meet money laundering regulations.

Elphame · 15/08/2024 00:21

agree that shopping is alive and well in the big shiny new malls, also places like Clark’s Village in Street (Somerset) are pleasant to go to.

Last time I went there, ( a few months ago) I was amazed at how many units were vacant. It never used to be like that.