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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

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NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:17

@MiamiWindMachine I've used the H&M ones before, they're incredibly simple. They have the machine right there to remove tags.

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:17

Complain to the businesses with poor business practices, rather than staff

Many people want cheap though hence why businesses have poor practices.

MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:17

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

I actually prefer self-service checkouts. The problem is when they don’t have staff nearby to sort out any problems; or, in the case of H&M, to cover tasks you can’t complete via these checkouts.

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EatTheGnome · 14/08/2024 11:16

I don't dispute your service issues.

I think itn would be helpful if there were significant reforms to reduce city central office buildings and encourage student, retirement or affordable housing. Put the housing where the money is.

Students, teens and young adults living at home are primed to spend disposable income and appreciate instant material gratification.

Commuters typically want to get in and get out.

I miss the days of idly buying stuff in town, going home and then getting ready for a night out in town.

I feel for the sandwich shops relying on office worker trade but the reality is, it's those people with a mortgage, kids and higher prioroties who are tightening their belts anyway and cant afford central homes.

To be a thriving city centre, you need lots of youth and possibly better investment in things like doctor surgeries so that older people with money can continue to live in the town or commute easily to local services.

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:16

The ship has sailed, shops aren’t going to employ lots of workers because most hours there isn’t the justification for them.

Self-service is cheaper and less hassle than an employee and shoppers want cheap.

The woman cashing up at 7:30 probably doesn’t get paid past her shift so why wait?

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 11:15

High streets are failing due to parking/cost of parking. Recently I’ve been to a small city and paid £24(!) for 4 hours parking in the centre and a large town where the only car park I could find a space in was cash only, most of the payment machines were broken and the working ones did not accept the new back notes with Charles on (the only money I had on me).
I’ve learnt my lesson and will stick to online!

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/08/2024 11:14

It’s not expecting above and beyond to have a member of staff scan your stuff, stick it in a bag and take your money without grumbling. Sounds really frustrating OP, I don’t go to shops which only offer self service.

ComtesseDeSpair · 14/08/2024 11:12

A lot of these examples involve poorly paid retail workers who don’t get paid extra for the closing or the cashing up if they have to stay beyond their set hours, and retailers who deliberately understaff their stores to save money. Taking your ire out on staff for being lazy or not wanting to inconvenience themselves is often misplaced - sure, some of them are lazy, but there’s not a chance if I had to work for minimum wage that I’d go above and beyond for it, for other people’s benefit and my employer’s profit margins. Complain to the businesses with poor business practices, rather than staff.

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:12

Also, the high street is dying because rents are extortionate and people prefer to shop online

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

TenThousandSpoons · 14/08/2024 11:10

Yes, my big Sainsbury’s makes you self checkout a whole trolley if you go at around 7pm. Once I moaned about it to the person I had to call multiple times to help me and she said “you can ask and we’ll open a till”. Next time I asked for a till to be opened and they said they couldn’t because there weren’t enough staff.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/08/2024 11:09

Reach for your tinfoil hat.
Step One : make shopping in person so difficult and unattractive that everything goes on line.
Step Two: we saw what you said on Mumsnet/ Twitter/ Facebook. *
No food or clothing for you , you bigot. Oh, and don’t bother to turn the lights on….

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allaloneandlost · 14/08/2024 11:08

Understandable and sounds stressful. We're being pushed online. Things I see online are never in the shops and H&M is standard for this. A lot of online stock's online only. I wfh and it's easier to have parcels than traipsing around shops. Parking's impossible in towns and cities but easy in retail parks.

Shame for those who aren't online or prefer the personal touch. Shopping is some people's only way of getting interaction.

Supersimkin7 · 14/08/2024 11:06

I left Coop yesterday cos no staff, no payment possible.