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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

OP posts:
ginasevern · 14/08/2024 12:12

I used to enjoy going shopping. I know I'm in a minority these days, but a day "in town" with money to spend on clothes was something to look forward to. Especially at Christmas when the stores were decorated and there was a buzz in the air. You'd arrange to meet up for lunch with friends or maybe a festive drink. You really can't replicate that with a parcel from Amazon! Our shopping district now looks like a replica of Los Angeles with zombified druggies wandering around, homeless people in every shop doorway and human wee/excrement on the pavements. It's filthy and unsafe.

dottiehens · 14/08/2024 12:12

Yes, right on. It is painful to go and shop in person these days. It is really exasperating how the service is. I only do online and very rarely click and collect from my local area.

Tumbleweed101 · 14/08/2024 12:12

My 15yo kept rolling her eyes at me and thinking I was 'old' when I complained about self service tills in the supermarket. So I did self service with her with a small trolley load. We had light items which the machine couldn't detect, along with all the usual issues that come with trying to shuffle stuff about on the small packing area. Alcohol, a tag, medicine etc. I think she got my point. She uses them with friends to buy a drink and a snack, it isn't going to be the same experience.

Another2Cats · 14/08/2024 12:11

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Wow, you're rude aren't you!

Suppose you want to pay in cash? In a number of Tesco stores around me you cannot pay cash at a self checkout - they are card only.

or am I not allowed to use cash either?

CautiousLurker · 14/08/2024 12:07

I f-cking hate in person shopping… never have your size (whether it was when I was a size 20 or now size 10-12). Mr DH is Mr Average has given up chosing shoes first and asking for a size 9 (to apathetic shop staff) and just goes in and ask - ‘what do you actually have in [this colour and] size 9, I’ll try them all on’. My son is 2xl, 6ft3 and size 13-14 shoes. Waste of time shopping in person for him, and my daughter is 5ft4, size 8, size 4.5 shoe and likes non-binary clothing that doesn’t show her vulva off. No joy there either.

I am borderline agoraphobic now as I just cannot face the battle to find a parking space (where the f*ck are these people shopping? I am assuming these people are just in one of the millions of hairdressers and coffee shops); fed up with the diffidence, the insistence that I hand over my email address for the receipt (and the subsequent unending marketing and ‘can you give us a review’ emails - no, if I’ve kept it you can assume it’s fine, if I’m unhappy I’ll return it); the open plan changing rooms (I’m looking at you White Stuff, nothing anti-trans, just that I’m a 50+ meno woman whose lost a lot of weight and is very very self conscious - I don’t want anyone walking in when I’m bent over, bum in the air, while I try on clothes in a varying sizes as I’ve no idea which one I am anymore - oh and why is the sizing so different from one store to another?).

… and by shopping on line for groceries I can compare prices at the point of popping in the online basket, do two smaller ships at different supermarkets, have them deliver for free (usually) at my convenience, having saved money by buying items from cheapest vendor.

But other than that, no idea why the high street is dying.

Lifeomars · 14/08/2024 12:06

ByCupidStunt · 14/08/2024 11:23

YANBU - shopping for clothes used to be a fun day out! With your mates, coffee and lunch thrown in, then out for the evening in your new togs!

So true, I used to love a day in town. My city was such a great place for shopping that friends and family would come from London as the choice was nearly as good and you could do it all on foot with lots of pauses for refreshments. Now the city centre is a scruffy depressing dump consisting mainly of nail bars, vape shops chicken shops, and charity shops. Lots of beggars and rough sleepers, it is all so miserable and feels grim. I can't ever see the high street going back to the way it used to be and I think there needs to be a radical rethink about what we want from our town and city centres and how we want them to look.

flossyragdoll · 14/08/2024 12:05

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:28

@MiamiWindMachine I never said it was your problem, I just gave you an explanation for her actions. Which bit are you confused by?

I don’t think OP (or anyone really) needed that ‘explanation’. Most people will be able to take a stab at why a cashier might start to cash out before closing.

The point is that if a service is advertised as available until a certain time, it should be available until that time.

The real fault lies with the shitty companies that don’t pay their employees after closing time, inevitably resulting in employees starting the close early so they’re not working unpaid overtime every day. Then the employees get annoyed when a customer comes in ‘late’ and the customers get annoyed that they’re not being treated well when they have every right to be there.

It’s the classic two little men fighting each other while the real villain sits and laughs and ropes in the profits. It’s the sort of thing a union would step in to sort if they had any power these days.

notanotheronenow · 14/08/2024 12:05

LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:56

I don't prefer shopping online.

Food shopping online is shite for people who live alone, you end up with 5 days worth of food that all has to be eaten by the day after tomorrow or it goes out of date, and you can't hand pick the leanest/freshest/least manky items. And my shopping rarely comes to enough to get free delivery. Plus I'm promiscuous when it comes to food shopping: I get all my basics from Tesco, most of my fresh stuff from Waitrose and a few things from Aldi.

Clothes shopping is even worse. Every pair of shoes I have ever ordered online has had to go back because they don't fit, clothes are never as nice as they look in the pics, or the fabric has a horrible feel/is a completely different shade from how it looks on my screen/is just generally shoddy, and I hate buying bras without trying them on because of inconsistent sizing.

You just need to stop buying your online shop from supermarkets. I use indie companies and they're all great, they have to be because they don't stay in business otherwise. The food quality is a million times better than supermarkets.

I had one problem, once, with literally one tomato, messaged them just to let them know it wasn't the freshest. Literally within a day there was a guy at my door with a bag of replacements at no cost and an apology. Unbelievably good service.

Caththegreat · 14/08/2024 12:02

Yes it is snd that will exclude very much older people, people with disabilities and poor people who live with cash.We are being forced online and it's a hugely convenient way of controlling people .It's no way the same as new currency introduction.But people are willing servants to this.

RuthW · 14/08/2024 12:02

I walk out if only self service available

Eddielizzard · 14/08/2024 12:02

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:49

No, this is not why High Streets are dying. They are dying because of online shopping and the high costs of a physical shop. What you are seeing is a symptom, not the cause.

Totally this. Business rates are crippling for the high street. It's not a level playing field

pasta · 14/08/2024 12:02

I haven't worked in retail for years, but it is so fucking shitty that staff do half an hour or so of unpaid work every single day because companies won't pay them to cash up.

I hope it is a bit quicker now that there is less cash around.

@MiamiWindMachine I don't know what you do as a job, but I now have tons of flexibility, my boss doesn't mind what I do just so long as I get the job done and yes, that sometimes involved unpaid overtime. Doesn't compare to working in retail with minimal breaks and on NLW.

MugPlate · 14/08/2024 12:01

Hate shopping in store. Hate shopping online.

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 12:00

@BunfightBetty obviously, but as I said not unrelated.

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:59

@MiamiWindMachine so you really are just angry because she told you 😆😆.

She probably just spoke without thinking hence why she followed up with “I’ll do it”. I don’t see how it’s a big deal.

Skippingropes · 14/08/2024 11:59

I think it's a bit chicken and egg really, the less people who use shops the more they cut back on staff etc, and then even less people use them.

There are other factors though, we have been spoilt with the Internet and online shopping especially with many places offering super quick delivery and free returns etc. More choice as well of course.

The lack of investment in city centres makes the high street less appealing- me and my friends would make a day of walking round the shops but now most are dreary, drab with expensive parking.

BunfightBetty · 14/08/2024 11:59

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:40

Wage stagnation over the last couple of decades, while the price of eg parking has increased with inflation, means that a lot of costs are now relatively more expensive compared to income. Disposable incomes are lower.. Quite a lot of people now need things to be cheap because they simply won’t be able to afford them otherwise.

its not unrelated though is it the people wanting cheap & their own wage stagnation.

The macro economics driving this are a lot more complicated than that!

ToffeeSquirrels · 14/08/2024 11:58

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Spectacularly missing the point there @NeedSomeAnswersPlease

Oh the irony of calling other folk ‘ignorant’ 🙄

MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:57

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:47

“Offered” - as it it’s a treat

How else did you want her to verbalise that she was willing to do it? Or are you just angry that she had the temerity to tell you she had cashed up?

I knew I’d get words like “temerity” thrown at me.

Why DID she tell me she’d cashed up? I didn’t need to know that.

OP posts:
LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:56

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:12

Also, the high street is dying because rents are extortionate and people prefer to shop online

I don't prefer shopping online.

Food shopping online is shite for people who live alone, you end up with 5 days worth of food that all has to be eaten by the day after tomorrow or it goes out of date, and you can't hand pick the leanest/freshest/least manky items. And my shopping rarely comes to enough to get free delivery. Plus I'm promiscuous when it comes to food shopping: I get all my basics from Tesco, most of my fresh stuff from Waitrose and a few things from Aldi.

Clothes shopping is even worse. Every pair of shoes I have ever ordered online has had to go back because they don't fit, clothes are never as nice as they look in the pics, or the fabric has a horrible feel/is a completely different shade from how it looks on my screen/is just generally shoddy, and I hate buying bras without trying them on because of inconsistent sizing.

notanotheronenow · 14/08/2024 11:56

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

I thought similar until I went to Boots to buy some makeup sponges and they were security tagged (yes, really).

The only tills were self-service. So I had to hunt someone down and ask what I was supposed to do, then they had to come and take the tag off, so I had to queue for the checkouts and then start another queue for the security tag thing.

I really don't think most people want to bother with that. And generally, it's for high value items that are tagged, not makeup sponges. Supposedly. So the supermarkets are losing money there.

Not to mention that self-scan = smaller basket/trolley of items, as no one can be arsed to do a full shop and do that, not to mention there's not enough space for items or people getting past. So it's a self-fulfilling cycle of getting worse, impatient staff etc.

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:56

I went to a big Westfield mall last month and it was absolutely fine. I think that's where "high streets" are going to end up - just fewer big malls rather than lots of little high streets. I don't think the traditional High Street can survive now.

muddyford · 14/08/2024 11:55

I have been into our local city centre (8 miles away)twice in two years, once to get my 'phone screen replaced, other to do financial things. I shop locally or at retail parks, but also online. I have never window-shopped and I can get everything without the utter misery.

BobnLen · 14/08/2024 11:55

The service from the online grocery shop is much better, I was shopping at Tesco but my delivery saver ran out so I took up Ocado's offer of £20 off £60 and 6 months free delivery pass. Not only that, they have showered me with more coupons off and also giving me a free box of Hotel Chocolat after my 4th shop, looks like the £12 one. Though I do think I prefer Tesco website so will probably go back to them when the gifts stop.

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 14/08/2024 11:54

Oldermum84 · 14/08/2024 11:46

I've worked for 2 different large retailers in my past (many years ago) where we were only paid until the shop closed, say 5:30pm but had to wait until the last customer had left, which was often around 5:40pm, then we had to cash up a till before it was signed off and we could leave. This was often 6pm. So we would be working an extra 30mins unpaid. The paid hours were minimum wage and as I was under 21 this was a lot let than adult minimum wage. This is common practice. These shop workers are trying to leave on time. Retailers should pay their workers appropriately.

That's illegal. No different than asking you to physically sign out but stay and keep working. Formally ask to be paid for the hours you are working or leave at 5:30.