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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:20

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 15:14

@Beautiful3 yes? When I was 11 I had a debit card that was attached to my bank account- I didn't have contactless as it wasn't really a thing then, but there are multiple bank accounts on the market which are designed for 11-18 year olds with debit cards and parental controls

There wasn't much of anything like that available when I was 11. I had a bank account but it was only good for storing money, really.

Times change quickly.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:18

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 15:02

Yes. I know that it’s okay to crave alone time.

However, thank you for acknowledging that using “lonely” as an insult is shitty.

We never know what life has in store for us, thank goodness.

Wasn't me that used it in that way, I wouldn't because I have been lonely, despite actually being one of those weird needs a lot of alone time people.

But the poster who did I think has acknowledged it after my post too. They took the same issue with the PP as I did that it's not nice to make fun of people who live a different life to them.

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 15:14

@Beautiful3 yes? When I was 11 I had a debit card that was attached to my bank account- I didn't have contactless as it wasn't really a thing then, but there are multiple bank accounts on the market which are designed for 11-18 year olds with debit cards and parental controls

Beautiful3 · 14/08/2024 15:14

Another2Cats · 14/08/2024 14:17

You are assuming that everybody has had the same experiences growing up that you have. What you think of ordinary and run of the mill will be quite out of the ordinary for someone else.

We often get similar cases of people not being aware of how others live in other areas of life as well. This often comes up when salaries are mentioned.

On one hand you will have posters saying "I literally know nobody who earns as much as £40k per year". Then, in contrast, you will equally have posters saying that they know nobody who earns less than £80k.

Your experience of life is not necessarily the same experience of life that other people have had.

Exactly my thoughts, thank you.

Beautiful3 · 14/08/2024 15:12

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 13:52

@Beautiful3 is assume they'd have a bank account???? I got one when I was 11!

Do.you mean they have debit cards linked to their bank accounts?! They use those when they go shopping?

Llamasinjamas · 14/08/2024 15:10

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 14:49

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

Sending you a virtual hug 🤗

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/08/2024 15:05

@NeedSomeAnswersPlease

I don’t think you know what ‘ignorant’ means.

Which is quite ironic, really

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 15:02

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

If you read my post, you'll see that the person I responded to was being nasty and a total goady arse about people who don't answer the door. Some people don't answer the door because they have mental health issues or have something else going on. It's not nice to laugh at them.

If you also read my post, I said if some people need to use shops for interaction, that is fine, I understand they can be a lifeline for people.

It was the piss taking from the other poster that I had an issue with. If that particular poster is lonely, maybe it's because she is nasty to others, like those who do work from home and don't answer their door because they are struggling.

My post was aimed only at that poster who sounds horrible.

If you're struggling then I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you're not making shitty digs at others like the pp was though.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 15:02

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:58

You know what else is "shitty"? The first part of the response from the poster the PP you quoted was actually responding to.

These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis
.

Laughing at people who are enjoy their own company because "some of us" don't understand it.

I'm sorry for the sadness in your life and that you feel lonely. But being alone doesn't always equal being lonely. Some people crave alone time like other crave interaction and that's ok.

Yes. I know that it’s okay to crave alone time.

However, thank you for acknowledging that using “lonely” as an insult is shitty.

We never know what life has in store for us, thank goodness.

MikeRafone · 14/08/2024 15:01

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

why is anyone ignorant if they refuse to self serve?

Just because you can learn, doesn't mean anyone and everyone can. Ever heard of the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" ? Its got meaning behind it

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:58

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 14:49

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

You know what else is "shitty"? The first part of the response from the poster the PP you quoted was actually responding to.

These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis
.

Laughing at people who are enjoy their own company because "some of us" don't understand it.

I'm sorry for the sadness in your life and that you feel lonely. But being alone doesn't always equal being lonely. Some people crave alone time like other crave interaction and that's ok.

Tooting33 · 14/08/2024 14:57

Snowpaw · 14/08/2024 11:33

I agree. I also find things like shoe shops a right pain because 9 times out of 10 the beautiful shoes they have out on display (that your child then falls in love with) aren't available in their size or they have seemingly very limited stock and they bring out designs for you to try that are nothing like those on display, and they say "we can order it online for you to collect in 3 days if you want" etc. etc.... I feel like shopping is just harder than it needs to be on the high street.

Kids shoes have been like that for years (DD is 28 now). We used to just go in and ask what they had in her size in the end, because there was no point looking at the display.

Topseyt123 · 14/08/2024 14:56

BiscuityBoyle · 14/08/2024 14:38

I’ll always use an app if I can. The ability to extend remotely is brilliant.

Me too now that I have got used to them.

No more worrying about exceeding your time in the car park while stuck in a queue somewhere. You can extend it remotely and the app will often remind you as necessary. No more farting about at car park machines where either the card reader won't work and/or the coin box, if it even has one, is full up so it can no longer take cash payments either.

Apps may take a bit of getting used to, but have been good for me and I am pleased to see them becoming an option in more and more places.

Many places do still keep the cash and card systems going too and they will be needed for some time to come because whilst many people (majority) do have a smartphone, by no means everyone does.

MrsSunshine2b · 14/08/2024 14:53

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

If shops want customers, it's their job to make shopping there a pleasant experience. Of course anyone can learn to use self-service, but most people find it irritating to use and if you're going shopping in person just to deal with a robot, you might as well deal with the robot online. When the online option is cheaper, more convenient and offers more choice, bricks-and-mortar shops have to provide an exceptional experience to make people want to use them, and I'd say ensuring there are friendly and helpful staff to serve you is kind of the bare minimum.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:52

ElBandito · 14/08/2024 14:39

I'm really pleased you have a lovely social circle. Unfortunately, life doesn't always stay the same and people who used to have a big social circle find themselves as the last woman standing. Then, yes, a little chat in a shop can make their day worthwhile. I can't see why you begrudge them, or maybe your future self, that very small joy.
I don't have a problem with self service, just not 100% self service.

And for some people, it doesn't change.

The poster I responded to was laughing about how people who prefer self service are the same people who love working from home and don't open the door. As in, shut ins.

Not all of us who like working from home are "shut ins". Some of us like working from home as it suits us, AND still like social interaction.

Some of us spend all day interacting and then need a bit of quiet, non-social time, but still need to do things like pick up some food.

As per my previous posts, there can be a balance. It's not all person centered or all self service.

And not all us work from home people are totally anti social. In the same way I imagine there's people who love working on an office but also don't want to talk to a shop assistant after 8 hours of socialising. Or people who love their own quiet life at home but also enjoy a chat with someone on a shop.

We are all different and that is what I was pointing out to the PP being rude about more introverted people.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 14:49

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 14:18

Your shitty comment isn't as clever as you think it is.

I could just as easily say how sad that you need to meet random people you don't know in order to interact with people.

I don't need to interact with strangers in shops precisely because I have plenty of family and friends (who I open the door to) for interaction. If others need to go shopping in order to mix with people, that's fine, but not everyone does. No need to try to be shitty to others, which only made you look nasty, sad and lonely anyway.

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 14/08/2024 14:49

No the high street is failing because the planners etc are still living in this nostalgic world where they think it’s the 80s/90s. The reality is that the younger generations don’t see shopping as an event - we used to go town every Saturday it was a day out- nowadays they can consume from the comfort of their own home and have no intention of browsing the shops. The high street needs to change- the high street could provide housing with smaller , local shops. Bring back greengrocers for example. Or high street names but smaller shops where they just showcase products that you order in store and are then delivered to your house.

Londonrach1 · 14/08/2024 14:42

LaPalmaLlama · 14/08/2024 14:18

Out of interest do you not have a smartphone or you just don’t want to use apps? Personally I think parking apps are great. Can pay without queuing at the machine and can extend remotely if you need more time. Are never out of order.

No. I had someone take over my Facebook (luckily friend got it back for me) so I restrict everything now and even if my phone could do it I wouldn't. I just don't park at my local town.

ElBandito · 14/08/2024 14:39

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:28

I do love working from home. My job is analytical and it can be much easier to do without an office full of people and noise.

Equally I spend a lot of time on calls talking to people. If I've spent all day talking to people about problems at work, I don't want to go to the shops and talk about someone I don't know's day...

I also have a really good circle of real life people around me. I don't need to talk to strangers in shops to feel like I've had social interactions. I have them with my social circle.

I'm really pleased you have a lovely social circle. Unfortunately, life doesn't always stay the same and people who used to have a big social circle find themselves as the last woman standing. Then, yes, a little chat in a shop can make their day worthwhile. I can't see why you begrudge them, or maybe your future self, that very small joy.
I don't have a problem with self service, just not 100% self service.

BiscuityBoyle · 14/08/2024 14:38

LaPalmaLlama · 14/08/2024 14:18

Out of interest do you not have a smartphone or you just don’t want to use apps? Personally I think parking apps are great. Can pay without queuing at the machine and can extend remotely if you need more time. Are never out of order.

I’ll always use an app if I can. The ability to extend remotely is brilliant.

JenniferBooth · 14/08/2024 14:35

PontiacFirebird · 14/08/2024 13:58

All those saying “ oh it’s much easier to shop online and I’ve not been into town in 15 years”…. These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis. Just normal friendly interaction, nothing fancy.
Im lucky in that I still have a butcher, been going there over a decade and it’s a pleasure to pop in and have a bit of a chat while I’m buying something.
I love WearyAuldWomans story about the offer of a hug- that’s so nice.

No they are the people on NHS waiting lists waiting for years for hip and knee replacements who cant walk round a pedestrianized town centre

TitanicWasAGreatMovie · 14/08/2024 14:30

taxguru · 14/08/2024 14:14

When you say "landlords and shareholders" do you actually realise you're mostly meaning pension funds for the vast majority of workers, don't you?

Most workers' pension funds will have investments in commercial retail property, big shopping chains, etc.

A crash in property values or closures of high street chain stores will reduce your future pensions.

No, I hadn't thought about that, and you are right. Everything in the economy is linked and it's a delicate balance.

I'll stand by my statement that individual workers and customers are on the losing side here. Certain individuals at the top are still making a packet and are not at all concerned about self-checkouts and unpaid overtime.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:28

PontiacFirebird · 14/08/2024 13:58

All those saying “ oh it’s much easier to shop online and I’ve not been into town in 15 years”…. These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis. Just normal friendly interaction, nothing fancy.
Im lucky in that I still have a butcher, been going there over a decade and it’s a pleasure to pop in and have a bit of a chat while I’m buying something.
I love WearyAuldWomans story about the offer of a hug- that’s so nice.

I do love working from home. My job is analytical and it can be much easier to do without an office full of people and noise.

Equally I spend a lot of time on calls talking to people. If I've spent all day talking to people about problems at work, I don't want to go to the shops and talk about someone I don't know's day...

I also have a really good circle of real life people around me. I don't need to talk to strangers in shops to feel like I've had social interactions. I have them with my social circle.

taxguru · 14/08/2024 14:27

JenniferBooth · 14/08/2024 14:24

Then biusinesses shouldnt be hypocrites when the system goes down and they should close for the rest of the day instead of taking cash just when it suits

Then the customers would whinge as to why the shops couldn't stay open and sell stuff for cash. They can't win.

LaPalmaLlama · 14/08/2024 14:25

MistressoftheDarkSide · 14/08/2024 14:19

Expanding on tourist destinations, my large sea side town is losing hotels hand over fist due to Air BnBs which are often second homes depleting housing for locals.....

But again I wonder if this is just changing habits. Going to a hotel in the UK wouldn’t really appeal to me as if the weather is bad you’re kind of stuck in your room or forced to go out and find weatherproof activities. I’d only holiday in the Uk if I was renting a cottage. I’m not saying that air bnb aren’t an issue, just that the English seaside hotels might have struggled regardless.

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