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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

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Beautiful3 · 14/08/2024 15:56

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 15:14

@Beautiful3 yes? When I was 11 I had a debit card that was attached to my bank account- I didn't have contactless as it wasn't really a thing then, but there are multiple bank accounts on the market which are designed for 11-18 year olds with debit cards and parental controls

That's interesting. I must be alot older than you because that wasn't a thing when I was younger, until I reached 18 and could prove my credit score. I had a debit card for a year until I could get a credit card from the same bank. I've just checked my childrens building society online, to see if my children could have a debit card. It stated that children cannot have one linked to their account. I think it's different here.

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:55

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:52

So all the people who work part time in shops because it suits their needs from should retrain as web designers? Or just be unemployed? Rather than having people doing a job the public are actually asking for people to do jobs in?

You could say the same of miners, shipbuilders, red flag bearers, coal men, etc. It's called change and it's been happening at pace for a couple of centuries.

I'm sure that some people enjoyed being street gas lamp lighters back in the day, but they lost their jobs when electric street lighting was introduced!

You can't hold back progress because of luddites who don't want change.

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 15:54

That Poster was me. Firstly, I was clearly being flippant in response to the “ I’m alright Jack, get with the 21st century” posts.
I wfh sometimes myself, and am lucky enough to have a large family and several friends. Not everyone is so lucky.
If we are to make allowances for anxiety or introversion as reasons to not want open the front door, then it should be easy to understand that some people do actually want to see humans in real life.
Maybe take things a tiny bit less literally! It’s just a discussion.

You were taking the piss of people, being nasty.

I don't have an issue with people wanting to go to shops or wfh or not answering their door or shopping online. You were the one taking the piss of a certain group, which others picked up on too. Now trying to back pedal. 🙄

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 15:53

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:48

Car ownership has gone through the roof in the last few decades. If parking were free the supply would never meet the demand.

I am not arguing against it. I am explaining why people complain about a lack of free parking. Although in my City parking prices are so high that a lot of parking spaces are always empty. They see that as a win as if people are using public transport. In reality they are simply not coming into the City any more.

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:53

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:44

Why shouldn’t you have to pay for parking? Do you think you’d ever actually find a space if it was free?

Of course you could back a couple of decades in most places, before councils put double yellow lines everywhere, pedestrianised all the streets, put in loads of street furniture, traffic calming islands, bus lanes, residents permit parking schemes, etc. Councils have caused the congestion, caused the "need" for expensive car parks for revenue generation.

When I walk around our local city, there are loads of "empty" roads within easy distance of the central shopping area where parking isn't allowed, mostly empty resident parking streets, or double yellows for no obvious reason, etc., also several "access only" roads where cars aren't allowed which are wide enough easily for on street parking, but purposely kept empty for the odd bus or lorry.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:52

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:48

Yes, in the same way that we no longer have people walking in front of cars with red flags, or people delivering coal to homes, or people lighting gas lights in the street. Things change. Lots of jobs have disappeared over the past couple of centuries, lots of new jobs have appeared. There weren't many web designers in 1850! In another 50 years there'll probably be no shop staff serving customers, they may even be no shops as we know them.

So all the people who work part time in shops because it suits their needs from should retrain as web designers? Or just be unemployed? Rather than having people doing a job the public are actually asking for people to do jobs in?

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 14/08/2024 15:49

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:44

Why shouldn’t you have to pay for parking? Do you think you’d ever actually find a space if it was free?

I don't mind paying some for parking, but its annoying its just stupid prices now, you want to go out and get something - its so much cheaper and easier to do online shopping

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:48

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 15:46

It was really not that long ago - about 20 years - that it was easy to find free parking. You really only had to pay for parking in central London, and if you wanted to park right next to high streets and large venues. We used to never pay for parking. Parked 5 minutes away and walked. Not possible these days.

Car ownership has gone through the roof in the last few decades. If parking were free the supply would never meet the demand.

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:48

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:26

So in your eyes, people just have to accept that retail jobs are going away?

And I love the self service.

Yes, in the same way that we no longer have people walking in front of cars with red flags, or people delivering coal to homes, or people lighting gas lights in the street. Things change. Lots of jobs have disappeared over the past couple of centuries, lots of new jobs have appeared. There weren't many web designers in 1850! In another 50 years there'll probably be no shop staff serving customers, they may even be no shops as we know them.

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 15:46

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:44

Why shouldn’t you have to pay for parking? Do you think you’d ever actually find a space if it was free?

It was really not that long ago - about 20 years - that it was easy to find free parking. You really only had to pay for parking in central London, and if you wanted to park right next to high streets and large venues. We used to never pay for parking. Parked 5 minutes away and walked. Not possible these days.

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 15:44

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:23

Because they're not going away any time soon. If you don't keep up with changing tech etc then you'll end up left behind.

Then stores will have a disability case brought against them.

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:44

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 14/08/2024 15:26

This!!

I object to paying for parking.

I object to paying to enter a craft fayre

I object to paying for the catalogue that Next used to send out and charge for

Why shouldn’t you have to pay for parking? Do you think you’d ever actually find a space if it was free?

Bangwam1 · 14/08/2024 15:42

Similar experiences. Go to an m&s, only self checkout available, left with security tags on clothing so returned when I could to ask them to remove.

Boots, bought some makeup, no one to help you take security tags off so have to find somewhere quiet to sit in JL to try to tear the impossible things off to stop every security machine going nuts for the rest of the day whilst I attempt to find a single piece of clothing that isn’t expensive polyester and foul to boot. Shops are full of literal rags (Zara, wtf even are those paper clothes)

Doing all shopping online from now on. Can’t be bothered with it anymore.

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 15:42

You are being unreasonable about having to use debit or credit cards to buy currency. It is because of government legislation around money laundering, nothing to do with the store.

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:42

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 11:15

High streets are failing due to parking/cost of parking. Recently I’ve been to a small city and paid £24(!) for 4 hours parking in the centre and a large town where the only car park I could find a space in was cash only, most of the payment machines were broken and the working ones did not accept the new back notes with Charles on (the only money I had on me).
I’ve learnt my lesson and will stick to online!

In my city centre you can get 2-3 hours parking for £4.50.

PontiacFirebird · 14/08/2024 15:39

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 15:02

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

If you read my post, you'll see that the person I responded to was being nasty and a total goady arse about people who don't answer the door. Some people don't answer the door because they have mental health issues or have something else going on. It's not nice to laugh at them.

If you also read my post, I said if some people need to use shops for interaction, that is fine, I understand they can be a lifeline for people.

It was the piss taking from the other poster that I had an issue with. If that particular poster is lonely, maybe it's because she is nasty to others, like those who do work from home and don't answer their door because they are struggling.

My post was aimed only at that poster who sounds horrible.

If you're struggling then I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you're not making shitty digs at others like the pp was though.

That Poster was me. Firstly, I was clearly being flippant in response to the “ I’m alright Jack, get with the 21st century” posts.
I wfh sometimes myself, and am lucky enough to have a large family and several friends. Not everyone is so lucky.
If we are to make allowances for anxiety or introversion as reasons to not want open the front door, then it should be easy to understand that some people do actually want to see humans in real life.
Maybe take things a tiny bit less literally! It’s just a discussion.

suburburban · 14/08/2024 15:33

I hate the self scanners with lots of things and it doesn't like you packing your bag as you go.

It is low down

selfesteemfan · 14/08/2024 15:32

YANBU.

I fucking hate it too, everything you've said. Then we wonder why were so stressed and pissed off and need a glass or three of sodding wine.

suburburban · 14/08/2024 15:31

Abra1t · 14/08/2024 11:36

Same with banks. I have banked digitally for years and years. I don't need telling that online is convenient--I know.

In the weeks following a recent bereavement, I needed to go to an actual branch to sort things out, things that can't be done on the app and which they tell you you have to go to a branch to do. Ours is 18 miles away. They meet you aggressively at the door with an IPad and demand why you're there, why you haven't used the app (because I'm having problems with the app), what your problem is (the day after a bereavement I opened an account and accidentally used my maiden, not married, name. 'Why would you do that?' Because I hadn't slept for days and my mother had died the previous night).

An elderly couple, hunched over, moving with obvious discomfort, were asked why they weren't using the app. 'Because our eyesight is bad and we have bad arthritis in our fingers.'

Same with the post office. 'Why are you here?' Because I have a complicated postal query. 'Why aren't you using the machine?' Because I have a complicated postal query. It's like being in a Soviet-Era store.

Yes I know

I was asked when I rang my insurance company the same thing and he sounded sarcastic

I said is it a crime and he said there is no need to be like that

Perhaps I would rather speak to someone

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:26

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:23

Because they're not going away any time soon. If you don't keep up with changing tech etc then you'll end up left behind.

So in your eyes, people just have to accept that retail jobs are going away?

And I love the self service.

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 14/08/2024 15:26

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 11:15

High streets are failing due to parking/cost of parking. Recently I’ve been to a small city and paid £24(!) for 4 hours parking in the centre and a large town where the only car park I could find a space in was cash only, most of the payment machines were broken and the working ones did not accept the new back notes with Charles on (the only money I had on me).
I’ve learnt my lesson and will stick to online!

This!!

I object to paying for parking.

I object to paying to enter a craft fayre

I object to paying for the catalogue that Next used to send out and charge for

NinetyPercent · 14/08/2024 15:24

TenThousandSpoons · 14/08/2024 11:10

Yes, my big Sainsbury’s makes you self checkout a whole trolley if you go at around 7pm. Once I moaned about it to the person I had to call multiple times to help me and she said “you can ask and we’ll open a till”. Next time I asked for a till to be opened and they said they couldn’t because there weren’t enough staff.

Our medium size Sainsbury’s makes you self check out a trolley load all day every day 🤷‍♀️ I’ve got used to it. They only have one till with a staff member on open on a Saturday morning (so therefore I presume every other day too as Saturdays are busy).

baroqueandblue · 14/08/2024 15:24

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Biscuit
taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:23

MikeRafone · 14/08/2024 15:01

why is anyone ignorant if they refuse to self serve?

Just because you can learn, doesn't mean anyone and everyone can. Ever heard of the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" ? Its got meaning behind it

Because they're not going away any time soon. If you don't keep up with changing tech etc then you'll end up left behind.

KeepScrapingBy · 14/08/2024 15:22

Re the “ignorant” comment, shouldn’t shops be able to serve people who are less technologically advanced, just plain lazy or in need of some human interaction? (This used to be called “service”. How quaint and outdated!)

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