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Taking kids out of school for a term

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Whenthechipshitthefan · 13/08/2024 16:37

Possibly the wrong place to post- if so sorry!
Has anyone had any success in taking their kids (legally!) out of school for a term or even a half term. I want to take 2 x DDs (Yr 4, Reception) to my mums country for a long stay. They don't know the culture and I'm aware that we are all losing that connection. The flights are expensive, and it takes at least 24hrs to get there. Its a big country so that if we go over I want them to see a lot, experience a lot and see everyone.

Has anyone applied and been successful? Is it just headteacher opinion that matters? What can I promise to keep their place and not get taken to court. Happy to pay a fine!

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Baystar · 14/08/2024 07:52

I would suggest that you speak to the Education Welfare/"School Attendance Team in your local authority and ask them for advice in your situation and what the guidance is.
You're planning to return and can provide proof via tickets so it's not always the case that schools can remove from roll. As I say your LA will be able to provide further info.
Hope it all works out.

AngelusBell · 14/08/2024 07:29

wafflesmgee · 14/08/2024 07:12

It impacts other pupils because if the children of poster come back significantly behind where they should be, it then becomes their teacher's responsibility to help them to catch up. Depending on the cohort of their class, the teacher having to do this takes them away from helping other children. Obviously.

That would completely throw your plans off course for the year because you’ve never had any refugee children turn up mid-year and needed to catch them up without risking your class data, shock horror.
Obviously.

Charlotte120221 · 14/08/2024 07:21

OP I’d go for it! You had a fab experience as a child and odds are they will as well.

the narrow definition of education as the curriculum is nonsense. Education is way broader than that and the experiences they would gain from a term abroad at that age would be massively enriching.

re the UK school Id speak to the headteacher to understand how oversubscribed the school is. You will have to officially deregister them but maybe there’s a good chance they could rejoin when they come back?

Whenthechipshitthefan · 14/08/2024 07:20

I remember trips from when I was 5. They may be blurry but I remember family and some of the experiences. But really I haven't been before for exactly that reason.

I need the eldest to do the 11plus- thats a hard stop around here.

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wafflesmgee · 14/08/2024 07:12

AngelusBell · 13/08/2024 20:13

How will it impact on other pupils?

It impacts other pupils because if the children of poster come back significantly behind where they should be, it then becomes their teacher's responsibility to help them to catch up. Depending on the cohort of their class, the teacher having to do this takes them away from helping other children. Obviously.

Morningcrows · 14/08/2024 06:56

needtonamechangeforthis1 · 13/08/2024 19:42

So much ridiculous frothing at the mouth from posters on this thread! It's ridiculous!

Go talk to the school and see what they say. I doubt they will be booted off role if your open and honest with them about your intentions and are committed to keeping them learning.

We are so ridiculous in the uk about not recognising the value of traveling and experiencing other cultures. Your kids will learn so much in the time they are away and have lifelong memories of the trip. A good head teacher will understand the value in travel. In other countries travel like this isn't uncommon.

In other circumstances where children are off school for prolonged periods due to illness they are not off roled.

Go talk to the head. And see what they say. They may also have a preferred window for you to go. If you want to go for six weeks perhaps go two weeks before the Christmas or Easter break and return two weeks after? Then they actually only miss 20 days of schooling and they then can't be off rolled anyway

Totally agree with this. There is so much more to educatiin than sitting in a classroom. I say this as a teacher. Travel and family connections are so important. OP, good luck with speaking to the head and putting your case forward.

If it is a no, you could wait until the eldest is in y6 and de register them for the last term of y6, (at least they will miss the hysteria of SATS!) Then you will only have the youngest to get back on roll and they are more likely to remember the trip bring a few years older.

pinkfleece · 14/08/2024 06:30

AngelusBell · 13/08/2024 23:10

I have reported this as hate speech. Perhaps “they” have absolutely awful educational outcomes because of teachers’ attitudes. Please educate yourself.

Not keen on facts?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10016/

Trinance · 14/08/2024 05:29

As a young child, I would have hated missing school at these ages. It would make me anxious and I would feel left out etc. That could just have been me being a nervous and insecure kid however.

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 14/08/2024 00:44

Whenthechipshitthefan · 13/08/2024 16:52

We have never taken them to see my family. In eight years. Its would be a once in a lifetime/childhood trip as we wouldn't be able to go again.

In that case it's foolish to take them now - your YR 5yo will barely retain any memories at all of the trip, just a few blurry recollections of colours and crowds.

If you go in April-May when your older child is in y6 that would be the least disruption - your older child will miss SATs but that won't be much detriment and worst-case scenario if you lose the school place there will only be half a term of difficulty before starting y7, and your younger child will similarly only be half a term away from y3 at which point the infant-class-size rule relaxes so it will be easier to get her a place. However your younger child will still only retain quite vague memories of the visit at that age - but waiting any later would disrupt your older child's secondary education and that's more of a problem.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/08/2024 23:41

Marseillaise · 13/08/2024 23:33

Well, there's a little matter of the law that will stop them deregistering. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/1751/regulation/8

They can offroll due to the length of the unauthorised holiday. It's a specific category for leaving in the census. And distance.

AngelusBell · 13/08/2024 23:37

WeAreManyUArefew · 13/08/2024 23:24

I really don’t think Traveller kids are the night comparison here. By most standards their formal education is very poor.

That’s generally because of institutionalised racism and bullying - as a result, their parents are reluctant to send them to school. I know of Traveller parents who have sent their children to private school to avoid them being bullied in state schools. This should not be happening in 2024.

Marseillaise · 13/08/2024 23:30

pinkfleece · 13/08/2024 18:53

Not up to the head, you'll get deregister so then will have to choose from schools which have spaces on your return.

She won't get deregistered. Look at the Regulation linked above.

WeAreManyUArefew · 13/08/2024 23:24

I really don’t think Traveller kids are the night comparison here. By most standards their formal education is very poor.

AngelusBell · 13/08/2024 23:10

pinkfleece · 13/08/2024 20:33

They have absolutely awful educational outcomes, the women often marry young and have no opportunities in life and child protection would be involved more if they didn't move on so often.

I have reported this as hate speech. Perhaps “they” have absolutely awful educational outcomes because of teachers’ attitudes. Please educate yourself.

ZiriForGood · 13/08/2024 23:04

SammyScrounge · 13/08/2024 22:23

Their education should be prioritised. That's all there is to it.

Education doesn't happen only in the classroom. This will be practically homeschooling for a few weeks, the OP is confident she can cover it, there really is nothing wrong about that

Prioritising school attendance will teach the children that requirements of institutions are more important than family, even if the requirements in question don't make sense.

SammyScrounge · 13/08/2024 22:23

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 13/08/2024 19:46

I know a family who moved to South America for a couple of terms for the dad's work who was a lecturer.

The head teacher was in support and think they technically were off the register or whatever, but then re joined. I don't have all the details but it wasn't counted as an absence.

Life it too short to not spend with family and it isn't as if they are mid GCSEs.

They are primary school children.

Yes of course attendance is important, but equally spending time with family.

I'd speak with the head and be open about your plans and see what they suggest.

Their education should be prioritised. That's all there is to it.

PorridgeEater · 13/08/2024 22:21

"my headteacher welcomed fairground children who would come to our small Church of England primary school for a fortnight every year and they enriched our understanding of a different culture and way of life."

This is very positive and I'm glad it worked out.

The school I remember was a small Catholic school and the head teacher and staff were worried - perhaps because it was a one-off and a bit of an unknown (I was not involved).
Anyway not relevant now - think OP has got some things to think about.

I can understand about being glad to be out of it now!

ZiriForGood · 13/08/2024 21:57

GivingitToGod · 13/08/2024 19:16

Travel isn't part of school curriculum. With respect, I completely disagree with you

Yes, it isn't school curriculum, it is life curriculum. Learning at school isn't the only learning.

I know that in the UK school attendance has recently became a new religion, and schools can dictate to families lots of things above and beyond law.
Still, in this case children with family ties to other country have an option to spend some time there - so it won't be just vacation, but real immersion into the culture and lifestyle, and supposedly the family here can continue with learning the language afterwards.
If you can't see how it will be beneficial for them, you must be blind.

Generally, school curriculum is pretty random thing. Every country teaches something different and it doesn't really matter. The main goal is building ability to learn.
Every year many children are out of the school sick or injured for some time and have to catch up. Other have to move. That's life.
I was pondering recommending some tutoring afterwards, to make the catch up smoother, but as the OP said, in this grades parents can do completely fine.

PonyPatter44 · 13/08/2024 21:41

Whenthechipshitthefan · 13/08/2024 21:06

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I knew it. You are the Penguins of Madagascar trying to get back to the Antarctic and I claim my five pounds!

justasmalltownmum · 13/08/2024 21:17

Take 1 week and the whole of Easter holidays.

AngelusBell · 13/08/2024 21:15

PorridgeEater · 13/08/2024 20:40

If the teacher has to spend more time trying to help the children who are behind that will detract from other pupils.
They do have the whole class to consider.

I remember a school being asked by the local priest to take some traveller children - the school really did not want to because it would disrupt everybody else. This was many years ago - it would be even more difficult now because schools are under greater pressure.

Don't know whether OP has realised that as mentioned earlier state schools are now more likely to be oversubscribed due to influx from private schools (don't think this is what OP wants to hear).

I was a teacher for 27 years and I’m not surprised a school didn’t want to take Traveller children, because I have heard plenty of anti-GRT racism from other teachers in my time. As a child, though, my headteacher welcomed fairground children who would come to our small Church of England primary school for a fortnight every year and they enriched our understanding of a different culture and way of life. No disruption was involved.

I know that plenty of primary schools are under PAN so I don’t think the OP’s children would have a problem getting a primary school place, although they may not be able to return to the same school. The same goes for children from private schools - they might not get the school they want.

I’m so glad to be out of the profession - it’s changed beyond all recognition since 1994.

MrsBobtonTrent · 13/08/2024 21:12

SammyScrounge · 13/08/2024 21:04

Makes me wonder what standard of school the child attended if parents could get the child miles ahead academically in only an hour a day.

You can easily get the learning done much quicker at home - child gets 1-2-1 attention. No registration, no assemblies, no lining up, no disruptive children, no taking in turns with other children. School has a value - being with other children, learning to get along, easier to do sports or drama etc and the all important childcare while parents work. But don't delude yourself that it is the most efficient and/or effective way to educate children.

Whenthechipshitthefan · 13/08/2024 21:06

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SammyScrounge · 13/08/2024 21:04

GivingitToGod · 13/08/2024 19:16

Travel isn't part of school curriculum. With respect, I completely disagree with you

Makes me wonder what standard of school the child attended if parents could get the child miles ahead academically in only an hour a day.

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