To think this is fucking crazy

Why is it not considered discrimination or racist to demand women be veiled when visiting certain countries?

I am not sure a diversity quota was a French requirement, but a requirement of the firm's home country.
Not sure whether to say France should collect such data or not - identity politics is a woke nightmare, so probably not.

Outdated and incorrect. Islamophobia is recognised as a type of racism. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

This is incorrect information that’s been repeated on this thread.

Also, I really don't believe this diversity quota thing, it's not a thing in France, we don't collect data about race or ethnicity.

That’s because France lacks racial awareness and wants to cover up things like deaths of poc in police custody.

Actually it wouldn’t, because the Israeli government and its actions in the last 12 months, which were specifically referred to, isn’t responsible for religious extremism dating back many years. To imply that the latter just popped up this last year was reductionist and simplistic, to put it mildly.

It's not exactly easy for French people to find job either though, unemployment is a problem for everyone.

Also, I really don't believe this diversity quota thing, it's not a thing in France, we don't collect data about race or ethnicity.

I can totally see how a lot of French people can be prejudiced to muslims, but the idea that "superbly french-speaking white English women" are systematically discriminated against is just a step too far.

Yes.

There’s no doubt Brexit has made it worse but even prior to lots of French employers were wary of non French quals.

That said are some Brits and other non French nationals happily work locally in some professions but AFAIK they’ve had to go back to school at least to some degree to get French qualifications.

Have to say It’s probably easier as a Brit you have a niche/very specialist job, FWIW one of the most famous football presenters on Canal+/beIN is very much English.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Tulett

This is pre-Brexit, though. Were they so difficult about qualifications then?

@Grammarnut

That might be down to race, OTOH it can be down to French companies sometimes being quite bad at recognizing non-French academic qualifications and/or recognizing equivalency.

I know quite a few youngish Brits largely raised here and probably more importantly schooled here who have got jobs with French employers OK.

Not just non-whites (can't stand 'POC', sorry, it sounds racist to me). DD has a schoolfriend who loves France, speaks French superbly and has now married a Frenchman. When she arrived in France she could not get any employment, because she is English (and white, btw). She only found a job with an international company which took her on to fill their 'diversity' quota. That's France.

This isn't racism.

It's discrimination - Muslim isn't a race.

You misunderstand. it's not about western vs muslims. I think wherever you go, be it Japan, Algeria, Brazil, USA, France, Italy, you should accept and follow local customs and laws.

It is not a law in France to ban the hijab, so what are you even talking about. It's like if I went to any country and the owner of Air bnb told me he likes his guests to walk around naked. It's not a custom, it's not a law, but they just prefer naked people to clothed. The owner of the op's accomodation has a preference to host white guests.

Ha, I was just discussing with my (French) husband last night that most of the UK are entirely naive about how racist the French are towards Muslims and POC.

So entirely possible it was meant as received.

Yep it’s always a silly argument to say western people must accept other people’s rules but the reverse must not apply.

When Muslim countries can make their own ‘laws’ without abiding or adhering to human rights, there really isn’t a point in even discussing legalities.

How did your stay go OP?

She wasn't checking out his opinion, she was asking about the pool. His answer revealed that he holds objectionable views ('are you Muslim or English?' )
and may also be illegal (I'd be interested in clarification on whether laïcité rules do apply in this scenario ie is the pool/house area classified as public or private space?

This is an incredibly silly argument. Because they didn't say abd it's not illegal to wear a hijab in France, so op would not be breaking any laws even if she was.
It's also funny you accuse her or bypassing principles, would you be prepared to take a £££££ hit out of your hard earned money and holiday? It's obviously easy to tell other people to miss out.

You’ve nothing to feel bad about OP, it’s not your fault you found all this out en route. You ‘d not even have known had it not been for a chance question about the pool.

hope you all have a lovely time

@itstheendoftheworldasweknowitnow don’t listen to goady racism apologists. Have a great time with your family and leave his message verbatim in your review.

Fuck him and his ilk, I think there are more of us decent minded folk than bitter racists.
Don’t let anyone make you feel bad. Especially those who don’t think his racism is a problem

So it's racist when western countries have dress codes but not racist when middle Eastern countries do, OK OP carry on.

What does Woke even mean?
He's written blatantly racist remarks.
Don't have to be 'Woke' to think that's messed up.

They've been there for 50 years? Probably still seen as 'incomers' by some!