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Who is the CF, me or the beauty salon?

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superdelooper · 13/08/2024 07:41

Last week my DM was talking about getting powder ombre brows done. My friend had them done, and they are lovely, so asked friend for the salon details so I could contact them for DM.
I reached out to the salon via WhatsApp on Friday (there is no online booking or website) and someone responded immediately with details and an appointment time for this week (Thursday).
All good, fairly reasonable pricing and DM was happy to go ahead and get me to book. There was a £50 booking fee, which I paid, with the balance to be paid at the appointment.
Within an hour of making the booking DM realised she had forgotten about the blood thinners she takes and after a bit of google searching, we realised she needed at least a week off the thinners before she could safely have her eyebrows done. I reached out to the salon again and they assured me she would be fine to continue with the booking, even while still taking the thinners. DM is in her 70's and we didn't want to risk it and requested to cancel the booking. Salon again said it would be fine (these messages have since been deleted by salon) but I insisted we cancelled and apologised. Fine, booking cancelled. I then asked for the booking fee to be refunded. Salon refused stating this booking fee was 'non refundable'.
When we made the initial booking she sent a message with bank details and a note about things to do/not do prior to the appointment. It also stated there was a £50 'booking fee', no mention of this being non refundable.
Who is in the wrong here? We tried asking politely for the fee to be refunded as it seems like a lot to be charged for an appointment we booked and cancelled within an hour, DM would have been happy to pay a small admin fee but £50 is a quarter of what the eyebrows would have cost to have done.

OP posts:
IncompleteSenten · 13/08/2024 10:20

Has your mum checked with her doctor about the risks of not taking her blood thinning medication for a week? It only takes a couple of days for the risks to start to increase. Would it be safe for her to just stop taking it?

BloodyAdultDC · 13/08/2024 10:19

Superhansrantowindsor · 13/08/2024 07:57

First post spot on.
But I’m going to be that poster who expresses bemusement that someone would stop pretty vital sounding medicine for a beauty treatment that sounds hideously expensive and pointless.

Precisely my thinking. Blood thinners are not a medicine given lightly - and to come off them just to get your eyebrows done seems unimaginable to me!

Glasspaniel · 13/08/2024 10:19

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 13/08/2024 08:05

Exactly this lol, especially at 70!!

I'm 64 and I get my brows done, hopefully still will when I get to 70, what's wrong with that?

Casual ageism is so rampant on here.

Mind you, I'd find a different method of maintaining them rather than stopping essential medical treatment!

Rosscameasdoody · 13/08/2024 10:17

Growlybear83 · 13/08/2024 10:03

Actually, whilst I agree that the salon should ideally have checked that she wasn't taking blood thinners, surely the onus was on your mother to be more aware of what the procedure involved when she made the booking. Doctors don't put people on warfarin or other blood thinners for no reason, and you are monitored regularly. Everyone is given a lot of information about diet and lifestyle when they start taking this type of medication and your mum should have been completely aware that any sort of tattooing procedure should definitely be avoided.

Actually it depends on the type of blood thinners you’re taking. Warfarin requires regular monitoring. My mum was taking it and was offered an alternative modern blood thinner for which no monitoring was needed. The problem is that while vitamin K is an antidote to warfarin overdose, there is no antidote to the more modern ones, so the first sign of a problem was her being admitted to hospital with a rectal bleed. There was little information about the meds beyond the usual patient information leaflet. If the salon didn’t offer a pre treatment consultation and didn’t enquire about contra indications then l would think they’re liable - and they seem to be aware of that in relation to the deleted messages.

Moonshine5 · 13/08/2024 10:10

DoIWantTo · 13/08/2024 10:01

@BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave I’ve got tattoos yes, one that’s larger than both my eyebrows together cost £90 and still looks clear as day 4 years later. If you want to spend that kind of money on a few ink dots to fill in your eyebrows that’s your choice. It’s still a rip off.

Different services have different costs and then there will be regional variations. It could be microblading which are tiny strokes to replicate hair and then topped with powder for example or powder by itself. The technician may have a decade of experience or might be a newbie. There are so many variables and when it comes to your face, it's not always the cheapest.
It is the value the individual is prepared to pay and as such "rip off' is emotive terminology.

FastFood · 13/08/2024 10:08

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 13/08/2024 09:35

Whats wrong with using Whatsapp to book?

I don't know actually, I just find it weird when it's the only way to book, I tend to prefer a business having a more "traditional" online presence such as a website or being on a third party app such as Treatwell.

It reminds me of dodgy "russian lips fillers experts" who advertise and take bookings on instagram - because they're actually not qualified to inject and therefore are doing it illegally.

WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 13/08/2024 10:05

Rosscameasdoody · 13/08/2024 10:00

Possibly because coming off blood thinners for a week is potentially fatal and she needed time to consider ?

Yes I know that.

But that is not what OP is saying - she has said "She is willing to come off them for a week but not with this salon now. It just seemed like a lot to pay when we cancelled almost immediately once we realised"

So why didnt she just say to reschedule for a week later in her first communication after booking - if the mum was willing to take the risk?

Soontobe60 · 13/08/2024 10:05

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 13/08/2024 08:09

@MrsGlennBulb because it's an utterly pointless exercise and I'd expect someone with the life experience of a 70 year old to realise that? It's the same as my dad being told he had to come off his blood thinners for varicose vein surgery for looks and he decided not to as it's not worth the risk for a vanity project

Varicose veins can have some pretty serious complications if left untreated.

spikeandbuffy24 · 13/08/2024 10:04

DoIWantTo · 13/08/2024 10:01

@BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave I’ve got tattoos yes, one that’s larger than both my eyebrows together cost £90 and still looks clear as day 4 years later. If you want to spend that kind of money on a few ink dots to fill in your eyebrows that’s your choice. It’s still a rip off.

It's not a few ink dots
Mine were hair stroke by stroke using digital machine method
Brow mapping can take 30-60 mins before they even start tattooing. Then colour matching and mixing
Plus a top up needed after the first pass has healed

Growlybear83 · 13/08/2024 10:03

Actually, whilst I agree that the salon should ideally have checked that she wasn't taking blood thinners, surely the onus was on your mother to be more aware of what the procedure involved when she made the booking. Doctors don't put people on warfarin or other blood thinners for no reason, and you are monitored regularly. Everyone is given a lot of information about diet and lifestyle when they start taking this type of medication and your mum should have been completely aware that any sort of tattooing procedure should definitely be avoided.

patricia05 · 13/08/2024 10:02

Super frustrating. I'd push for the refund again, and leave a review to warn others if they don't

DoIWantTo · 13/08/2024 10:01

@BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave I’ve got tattoos yes, one that’s larger than both my eyebrows together cost £90 and still looks clear as day 4 years later. If you want to spend that kind of money on a few ink dots to fill in your eyebrows that’s your choice. It’s still a rip off.

Rosscameasdoody · 13/08/2024 10:00

WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 13/08/2024 09:57

But you didn't know initially that they would try and persuade you - so why was your initial contact (after realising she had to wait a week) not "oh sorry, can we make it the week after so she has a week off of the blood thinners?"

You went straight to "can we cancel" - why?

Possibly because coming off blood thinners for a week is potentially fatal and she needed time to consider ?

MSLRT · 13/08/2024 09:59

superdelooper · 13/08/2024 08:48

No, she deleted the messages when we asked about the refund.

They won't know that. Call their bluff. Say you have a screenshot.

Rosscameasdoody · 13/08/2024 09:58

pinkdelight · 13/08/2024 09:42

  1. When are deposits ever refundable? It's the point of a deposit that you lose it if you don't follow through with the booking. That's why cancellable fully flexible hotel bookings cost more, for instance. By 70 the DM's mum would surely have learned what a deposit is and the OP also.
  2. Within an hour of making the booking DM realised she had forgotten about the blood thinners she takes How was the salon meant to advise the OP on her mum's medical situation that they weren't aware of and her mum had forgotten about?
  3. No idea about this, maybe you're right. But it doesn't make the salon the CFs.

Any reputable salon would have done a pre treatment consultation prior to booking, and part of that entails asking about any health conditions or medication which contra indicates that particular beauty treatment. It doesn’t sound as though that’s been done, and the salon has deleted messages telling OP it will be fine - despite her now knowing blood thinners would have to be stopped. That suggests that they know they haven’t done due diligence, in which case they’re liable.

Scirocco · 13/08/2024 09:58

Blood thinner medication is often quite important. It stops people, well, dying. Nobody should be coming off important medication to get their eyebrows done.

WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 13/08/2024 09:57

superdelooper · 13/08/2024 08:04

This is why we did not ask to reschedule.

But you didn't know initially that they would try and persuade you - so why was your initial contact (after realising she had to wait a week) not "oh sorry, can we make it the week after so she has a week off of the blood thinners?"

You went straight to "can we cancel" - why?

xILikeJamx · 13/08/2024 09:56

I run my own business and specifically use the words "booking fee" as well - as fees are non-refundable, where a "deposit" may be.

Why not just ask them to move the appt out a few days so your mum can safely go?

Frasers · 13/08/2024 09:55

This is so messed up. A 70 year 0ld woman willing to come off blood thinners just to get her eyebrows tattooed , and then fighting with the salon to get her deposit back after she cancelled and somehow trying to make it the salons fault for not telling her.

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/08/2024 09:53

Why was she on blood thinners in the first place @superdelooper ?

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/08/2024 09:51

Astrabees · 13/08/2024 09:06

@NeedSomeAnswersPlease did you mean to be so ageist? Why should anyone of 70 be any less likely to want to look good? Should we be saving the money for our funerals?

They were saying that taking risks with your health was pretty silly especially when you were 70

Growlybear83 · 13/08/2024 09:49

Superhansrantowindsor · 13/08/2024 07:57

First post spot on.
But I’m going to be that poster who expresses bemusement that someone would stop pretty vital sounding medicine for a beauty treatment that sounds hideously expensive and pointless.

I agree. People aren't out on blood thinners for no reason. My mum had to stop taking hers for two days on two occasions before she had surgery, but I'm a bit shocked that anyone would stop them for a week to have their eyebrows done! Has she checked this is ok with her GP?

notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 09:44

superdelooper · 13/08/2024 08:07

She had them done years ago (as she didn't really have any) and they have faded and now look pink and she self conscious about them.

better self-conscious than dead

ExpressCheckout · 13/08/2024 09:43

@superdelooper and after a bit of google searching, we realised she needed at least a week off the thinners before she could safely have her eyebrows done.

Unbelievable. I would be a bit more worried about coming off blood thinners just for the sake of vanity. She's on them for a reason. Or would you rather she had a stroke or heart attack?

pinkdelight · 13/08/2024 09:42

theeyeofdoe · 13/08/2024 08:44

@ChateauMargaux has the legal stuff spot on. Tattooing of any kind is contraindicated when someone is on warfarin.

I would email back and say that:

  1. There was no indication that the deposit was non-refundable.
  2. The treatment is not suitable given your mum's meds and they should be aware of that and informed you.
  3. If they don't give you the money back, you will just do a charge back on your card. This will cost them more money.
You cannot contract out of consumer law. To do the chargeback, you need to contact the bank and explain what has happened. Take a screen shot when they reply to you.
  1. When are deposits ever refundable? It's the point of a deposit that you lose it if you don't follow through with the booking. That's why cancellable fully flexible hotel bookings cost more, for instance. By 70 the DM's mum would surely have learned what a deposit is and the OP also.
  2. Within an hour of making the booking DM realised she had forgotten about the blood thinners she takes How was the salon meant to advise the OP on her mum's medical situation that they weren't aware of and her mum had forgotten about?
  3. No idea about this, maybe you're right. But it doesn't make the salon the CFs.