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Who is the CF, me or the beauty salon?

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superdelooper · 13/08/2024 07:41

Last week my DM was talking about getting powder ombre brows done. My friend had them done, and they are lovely, so asked friend for the salon details so I could contact them for DM.
I reached out to the salon via WhatsApp on Friday (there is no online booking or website) and someone responded immediately with details and an appointment time for this week (Thursday).
All good, fairly reasonable pricing and DM was happy to go ahead and get me to book. There was a £50 booking fee, which I paid, with the balance to be paid at the appointment.
Within an hour of making the booking DM realised she had forgotten about the blood thinners she takes and after a bit of google searching, we realised she needed at least a week off the thinners before she could safely have her eyebrows done. I reached out to the salon again and they assured me she would be fine to continue with the booking, even while still taking the thinners. DM is in her 70's and we didn't want to risk it and requested to cancel the booking. Salon again said it would be fine (these messages have since been deleted by salon) but I insisted we cancelled and apologised. Fine, booking cancelled. I then asked for the booking fee to be refunded. Salon refused stating this booking fee was 'non refundable'.
When we made the initial booking she sent a message with bank details and a note about things to do/not do prior to the appointment. It also stated there was a £50 'booking fee', no mention of this being non refundable.
Who is in the wrong here? We tried asking politely for the fee to be refunded as it seems like a lot to be charged for an appointment we booked and cancelled within an hour, DM would have been happy to pay a small admin fee but £50 is a quarter of what the eyebrows would have cost to have done.

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Rosscameasdoody · 21/08/2024 20:51

LadyGabriella · 21/08/2024 18:31

YABU. They would have let you reschedule which is the right thing to do. You just don’t want to because your mum isn’t going to stop taking her anticoagulation. Also it’s probably still fine to have it done whilst on something like apixaban/edoxaban. Patients in hospital still have blood tests when they’re on those medications.

Apixaban and Edoxaban are the newer anticoagulants and generally don’t need blood tests. My mum was taken off warfarin a couple of years ago and put on Apixaban, specifically because that drug meant she didn’t need the weekly INR testing. And it was mentioned upthread that the salon didn’t offer a pre treatment consultation, which is an industry standard. They should have enquired about any health problems or medication which would have precluded the treatment. The fact that they sent two messages saying the treatment would be fine, and then deleted them suggests they know they’ve dropped the ball.

LadyGabriella · 21/08/2024 18:31

YABU. They would have let you reschedule which is the right thing to do. You just don’t want to because your mum isn’t going to stop taking her anticoagulation. Also it’s probably still fine to have it done whilst on something like apixaban/edoxaban. Patients in hospital still have blood tests when they’re on those medications.

Poddledoddle · 21/08/2024 18:18

3luckystars · 17/08/2024 13:46

Yes but the objection is to saying ‘reaching out’ when you could say ‘telephoned’ or ‘contacted’ as that sounds more factual.

Doesn't matter how you think its sounds. They mean the same thing.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 20/08/2024 14:17

Superhansrantowindsor · 13/08/2024 07:57

First post spot on.
But I’m going to be that poster who expresses bemusement that someone would stop pretty vital sounding medicine for a beauty treatment that sounds hideously expensive and pointless.

This lol 🤷🏻‍♀️

3luckystars · 17/08/2024 13:46

Yes but the objection is to saying ‘reaching out’ when you could say ‘telephoned’ or ‘contacted’ as that sounds more factual.

Poddledoddle · 17/08/2024 13:42

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 08:15

YABU

You didn't reach out to the salon, you contacted or messaged them.

Booking fees are there so workers don't lose out when people cancel.

That is reaching out!

She didn't want to cancel, she wanted to postpone.

Imisssleep2 · 17/08/2024 07:10

I think if cancelled with over 72hrs notice a refund should be offered, if less then no. If they insist on it being non refundable and over 72hrs notice is given then it should be able to be moved to a not suitable date

Coffeeismycure · 16/08/2024 12:38

Declining request to cancel within one hour is ridiculous. Leave a Google review about the salon describing the situation. It is most likely they will change their mind and offer a refund in exchange for recall of the negative review.

Welshmonster · 16/08/2024 11:48

take screen shots of the booking process without making the final payment. Screen shot T&C
does it say non-refundable.
unless their T&C have been reviewed and signed off by a lawyer then they don’t actually mean anything.
check home or car insurance as it’s well worth ticking the box for legal cover on one of them as you can ask them anything.

you can also take them to small claims. Seems a stretch but that’s what it’s there for

Rosscameasdoody · 16/08/2024 09:12

Birdingbear · 16/08/2024 07:50

You're being the CF. What you've paid is basically a deposit....it's non refundable and most places do this, including for hair to protect businesses from so many peopoe just not turning up for appointments.
Your mum made a mistake but it's her own mistake. Why on earth would she even come off blood thinners which she will be on for a serious reason just to have eyebrows done ....think she should re think her priorities anyway.

It’s not her mums’ mistake if the salon have failed due diligence. It’s an industry standard to offer a pre treatment consultation, which includes asking about any health problems or medications which may preclude the treatment. The salon didn’t do this. In fact they sent WhatsApp messages advising that the treatment would be fine and then deleted them when they realised they were wrong. Doesn’t exactly scream competence. They should refund the deposit because they failed in their duty of care.

Birdingbear · 16/08/2024 07:50

You're being the CF. What you've paid is basically a deposit....it's non refundable and most places do this, including for hair to protect businesses from so many peopoe just not turning up for appointments.
Your mum made a mistake but it's her own mistake. Why on earth would she even come off blood thinners which she will be on for a serious reason just to have eyebrows done ....think she should re think her priorities anyway.

Mh67 · 16/08/2024 07:21

I didn't think booking fees were ever refundable in any situation

WillimNot · 15/08/2024 11:02

Just get your bank to action a chargeback. If they'd been reasonable and had terms saying non-refundable, I'd have said it's on you. The fact it didn't makes it unenforceable.

I'd also be tipping off trading standards regards them ignoring medical guidance. That could also invalidate their insurance because they're taking undue risk with clients.

ChiffandBipper · 14/08/2024 22:38

@superdelooper The Citizens Advice website says you have 14 days to change your mind...

"If you want to cancel a service you’ve arranged online, over the phone or by mail-order, you get a 14-day cooling-off period - for example, if you've booked airport parking, hired a cleaner or gardener or asked a solicitor to sell your house or a plumber to service your boiler. During the 14 days, you can cancel for any reason and get your money back."

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/changed-your-mind/cancelling-a-service-youve-arranged/

Cancelling a service you’ve arranged

When you can cancel a service, how to get your money back, how to negotiate with the business.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/changed-your-mind/cancelling-a-service-youve-arranged

queensonia · 14/08/2024 22:37

Contact your credit card company/ bank to pursue a refund. If the salon say the booking fee is non refundable this must be clearly stated in their terms and conditions. If they don’t have a website I don’t see how they can have published these terms and conditions.
I once got a £500 deposit returned from a car yard because their terms and conditions didnt specify that deposits were non refundable

PigsinBlankets22 · 14/08/2024 22:28

No advice but what I find crazy is that someone who isn't even a medical professional advises clients on blood thinners to stop them for a week prior to their procedure and a few days after.

Previous stroke/MI/DVT? Who cares if you throw a blood clot, least your eyebrows look good 🤨

cartwheelsandhandstands · 14/08/2024 22:17

I appreciate they require a booking fee to stop time wasters.

This situation feels quite unique and under these circumstances I would have refunded you. Especially as you realised so quickly.

Sometimesright · 14/08/2024 22:03

planAplanB · 13/08/2024 08:00

The £50 is to stop people messing them around. Surely you can just rebook a different date?

Also, are you seriously paying £200 for eyebrows?!?!???

Mine were £225 with £50 off and worth every penny! I don’t have any eyebrows and had microblading a few years ago which was agony. Ombré was uncomfortable but not bad and I now have beautiful looking brows instead of trying and failing to draw them on neatly.

HappyMe6 · 14/08/2024 21:53

VanillaImpulse agree with you

TaterTots68 · 14/08/2024 18:30

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 13/08/2024 08:21

What on earth are ombre powder brows?! Are they tattooed? I live in Essex and see a lot of tattooed brows they look awful quickly, like slugs.

They are not being unreasonable to withhold the booking fee when you cancelled, that's what a booking fee is for, they would be unreasonable to not move the appointment to allow your mum to come off of her meds for a week as per the advice. As for coming off of meds needed for health, for a beauty treatment, well, it's not a decision I'd be encouraging my mother to make.

They can look awful... but not if done properly. My eyebrows have lightened as I've got older and I'd lost the tail end due to hypothyroidism. I have fusion eyebrows (part microblading, part powder ombre) and they look great. They're not like slugs, very natural. Microblading and powder are both a type of semi permanent tattoo

Wexone · 14/08/2024 18:07

MagicFarawayTea · 14/08/2024 17:54

Fuck me - £200 for EYEBROWS????

Also - booking fee is same as deposit but I do think salon are being a bit arsey if you cancelled within the hour.

As explained above again!!!! it's permanent eyebrows. it helps people who have no eyebrows, look normal some people who have no eyebrows for whatever reason due to cancer alopecia etc. it helps their confidence
can people STOP saying 200 for eyebrows!!!!!

3luckystars · 14/08/2024 17:58

For tattooed permanent eyebrows I’m sure. Not just waxing.

MagicFarawayTea · 14/08/2024 17:54

Fuck me - £200 for EYEBROWS????

Also - booking fee is same as deposit but I do think salon are being a bit arsey if you cancelled within the hour.

3luckystars · 14/08/2024 17:37

Exactly. It’s permanent.

Wexone · 14/08/2024 17:33

thecatsarecrazy · 14/08/2024 14:22

I must be out of touch but £200 to get your eyebrows done? Yikes I wouldn't even pay that for a new hair style cut

just also to add its a skilled process the therapist will have to be highly trained. takes a while to do it and equipment insurance etc adds up so the salon has to charge the costs to cover all that

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