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Neighbours Autistic daughter

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Ashellwithin · 12/08/2024 21:05

Good evening all,

I was recommended to seek advice on this forum by a friend. If anyone could advise, I would be very much appreciative.

I have been living in my flat for the past 12 years. During the first few years, we have had to deal with my neighbour's daughter horrific meltdowns (e.g., jumping on the floor, crying). She was 4 or 5 years old at the time and although I did complain to our Local Housing officer about this, I didn't take this any further as she was quite young and did not think it would be taken seriously. Plus, the meltdowns seemed to had settled during the years.

However, now that my neighbour's daughter is a teen, the meltdowns have started all over again and they are much worse. She will curse, shout, bang, throw things, slams doors, runs up and down. She is very loud! On those days where it has gotten too much, I have regrettably shouted to "Keep the noise down!", on a few occasions. But the noise was really grating me.

The neighbour (mum) struggles to calm down her daughter and often takes her out of the house for long periods of duration or I will see them both wandering in the streets (around midnight!). I have also seen quite a few professionals (I'm assuming as they have lanyards) come in and out of her flat which I take is to support the neighbour's daughter. So I do think the neighbour is trying to support her daughter the best way she can. However, the noise is unbearable and I can no longer take it. I have made a formal complaint to the council about the noise and have recorded the daughter's meltdowns as evidence.

Since then, a mediation meeting between the neighbour and I to resolve the matter. The meeting has not taken place yet as the neighbour always has something going on Hmm (so wondering if she is avoiding this). But I'm hoping to move to a new property or secretly wishing that they will kick out the neighbours and move them elsewhere.

Other than that, what else can I do? This is taken a toll on my mental health.

OP posts:
TigerRag · 13/08/2024 07:17

NuffSaidSam · 13/08/2024 07:12

Because she's upset about the noise and headphones are a good way to block noise out? I would have thought it was quite obvious really!

But they don't work. As an adult who is also visually impaired, I have to rely on my poor hearing. (which is better than my vision)

Oh and the decent ones are expensive

NuffSaidSam · 13/08/2024 07:12

Tricho · 13/08/2024 07:03

Blows my mind that this is always the first response. Why should she have to walk round with headphones on

Because she's upset about the noise and headphones are a good way to block noise out? I would have thought it was quite obvious really!

Noneofyournonsense · 13/08/2024 07:11

Except no one is suggesting institutions as a solution for jackhammer users and non disabled screamers.

TigerRag · 13/08/2024 07:09

Noneofyournonsense · 13/08/2024 07:03

Some babies and young children scream for hours at night. Do we suggest institutions for them because of the disturbance they create.

From my experience that's usually temporary

Cookiecrumblepie · 13/08/2024 07:07

I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is a disability issue. It isn’t. It’s a noise issue. It’s just decibels. If someone was making noise with a jackhammer or from screaming it’s the same issue.

dontstopmenowimhavingagoodtime · 13/08/2024 07:05

@Tricho because she doesn't like the noise?

dontstopmenowimhavingagoodtime · 13/08/2024 07:04

ChiCharlie · 12/08/2024 21:18

Not one of the people on here commenting that YABU will be living in a similar situation dealing with such disruption. Its tiring reading the comments.

The "new" neighbours could be a lot worse, be careful what you wish for.

dontstopmenowimhavingagoodtime · 13/08/2024 07:04

Ashellwithin · 12/08/2024 21:18

What I want to know is how far will my complaint go? Will they rehouse me or find the neighbour some where else to leave?

Hopefully they'll tell you that people with disabilities exist and neither is an option for you.

It's life and you can't choose who your neighbours are.

Or they'll move you and your neighbours will be a lot worse, or they'll move much worse neighbours next to where you live now? We can hope for that maybe?

Tricho · 13/08/2024 07:03

NuffSaidSam · 12/08/2024 21:07

Get some earplugs/noise cancelling headphones.

Blows my mind that this is always the first response. Why should she have to walk round with headphones on

Noneofyournonsense · 13/08/2024 07:03

Some babies and young children scream for hours at night. Do we suggest institutions for them because of the disturbance they create.

Cookiecrumblepie · 13/08/2024 07:01

This issue isn’t about autism, it’s about unreasonable noise in a residential setting. People’s personal circumstances are their own business, but everyone living in a residential setting must be able to live peacefully and must be considerate of others in respect to noise. If one neighbour cannot reduce noise levels to a reasonable level then a solution must be found that works for everyone.

Noneofyournonsense · 13/08/2024 07:01

"No. Reasonable noise is. This isn't your average noise is it."

Because it is made by a disabled person?

Onehotday · 13/08/2024 06:51

Noise is part of living in the community

No. Reasonable noise is. This isn't your average noise is it.

knitnerd90 · 13/08/2024 06:39

I'm not going to be mean -- but realistically I think the HA/council will do nothing because there's not going to be any options. Since the child has a disability, if they do offer a swap it's more likely to be you; they can't force the disabled person to move.

As for medication: they have tried using antipsychotics such as risperidone when behaviour is violent. There's serious drawbacks to this approach. There isn't any medication that can control a meltdown as the trigger is often environmental or behavioural.

Institutionalisation is not an option and as people have posted secure beds are like hens' teeth, reserved for children who absolutely cannot be handled at home. Even placements for children where the family is not capable of looking after them anymore aren't easy to find. Relying on family has been the easy option for disabled children and young people.

Noneofyournonsense · 13/08/2024 06:35

"That sounds really hard OP and it’s not fair on you. If the daughter can’t be controlled then she needs to be housed at a residential home or school and not in the community sadly."

No a house rather than a flat would be suitable. This week we have had to put up with the noise from one neighbours DIY and their son spending hours kicking a football against the garden wall, another neighbour's cutting his lawn with a power driven lawn mower every couple of days, someone else's dog loud yapping every time it goes in the garden and their toddlers frequent shrieking. And lots of shrieking from children in paddling pools and bouncing on trampolines.

Noise is part of living in the community.

Onehotday · 13/08/2024 06:14

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 03:47

You’re a downright nasty person.

Complaining about YOUR mental health? What about the young girl’s mental health? What about her mother’s mental health? And then now their neighbour is being vile towards them.

If you’re suffering that badly then call the Samaritans, 116 123. Get some therapy. Grow the fuck up. Move out if you have such a problem with it. It’s not their burden to carry.

You grow the fuck up. There's absolutely no reason why OP has to live in misery because of someone else's child.

Of course she's complaining about her mental health, because it's suffering. The girl and her mother are not related to the OP and she's not in the slightest way responsible for them.

To be honest them being reported will probably help them in the long run.

Grumpy12345 · 13/08/2024 05:58

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 04:01

And you should be locked up for spouting hateful, archaic views that surmount to the advocacy of eugenics. Absolute vile “human being” you are.

Don’t be so ridiculous! You’re a vile human being for suggesting it’s acceptable for the OP to live with noise levels that drive them to despair. OP is entitled to reasonable peace and quiet in her own home. If her neighbours are not capable of living in a flat without disturbing those living around them then they should be moved somewhere more reasonable whether that be a detached property or residential home. Would you think it acceptable if the noise level drove people to suicidal? I expect you would wouldn’t you as you seem to think only the feelings of the neighbours matter in this situation. That’s just not how life works.

Galoop · 13/08/2024 04:04

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 03:47

You’re a downright nasty person.

Complaining about YOUR mental health? What about the young girl’s mental health? What about her mother’s mental health? And then now their neighbour is being vile towards them.

If you’re suffering that badly then call the Samaritans, 116 123. Get some therapy. Grow the fuck up. Move out if you have such a problem with it. It’s not their burden to carry.

Wow. Why is it OPs burden to carry? Or the next neighbour or the one after that? It's not her child. This is a seriously unhinged comment.

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 04:01

Grumpy12345 · 12/08/2024 23:14

That sounds really hard OP and it’s not fair on you. If the daughter can’t be controlled then she needs to be housed at a residential home or school and not in the community sadly.

And you should be locked up for spouting hateful, archaic views that surmount to the advocacy of eugenics. Absolute vile “human being” you are.

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 03:48

Sweetteaplease · 13/08/2024 02:00

Of course you can, PM OP and ask OP for the address. You can move them in tomorrow. It's you who lacks empathy, OP doesn't deserve this.

Actually, OP is disgusting and deserves everything they get. Hope that helps.

knittingandminim · 13/08/2024 03:47

You’re a downright nasty person.

Complaining about YOUR mental health? What about the young girl’s mental health? What about her mother’s mental health? And then now their neighbour is being vile towards them.

If you’re suffering that badly then call the Samaritans, 116 123. Get some therapy. Grow the fuck up. Move out if you have such a problem with it. It’s not their burden to carry.

oakleaffy · 13/08/2024 03:22

SparklyCyanNewt · 12/08/2024 21:17

Your mental health ... what about the mother's. Struggling to help.and support her daughter, not sleeping well if they are out at all hours, having to deal with tantrums and meltdowns. I bet she is worrying constantly about her daughter and how her behaviour is impacting the people around them, including you. To add to her struggles with her daughter she now has a noise complaint against her which she can do little about but knowing that you are judging her and her parenting. If it was me in that situation I would be in bits. No matter how bad this situation is for you have a little compassion for your neighbour!

The mother chose to have a child, OP didn't, and yet is living as if she's a parent with the noise impacting her life.

My sympathy lies with @Ashellwithin as noises like that - the thumping and crashing alone, never mind the vocalisations- would drive me absolutely insane.

Sweetteaplease · 13/08/2024 02:13

TheOriginalEmu · 13/08/2024 02:09

It’s tiring dealing with an autistic kid too. It’s also tiring dealing with judgy comments about why you’re out walking at midnight.

No one is saying it isn't, but it doesn't mean it also should take over an innocent neighbours life as well. What would you suggest is a practical solution? Even if OP moves, it is going to cause issues for the next person

TheOriginalEmu · 13/08/2024 02:09

ChiCharlie · 12/08/2024 21:18

Not one of the people on here commenting that YABU will be living in a similar situation dealing with such disruption. Its tiring reading the comments.

It’s tiring dealing with an autistic kid too. It’s also tiring dealing with judgy comments about why you’re out walking at midnight.

AffIt · 13/08/2024 02:04

Why, on every single thread such as these, do people suggest noise cancelling headphones as some kind of magic cure for unbearable noise?

I have run the ENTIRE gamut, including buying incredibly expensive Sony headphones that cost the better part of £400.

There is no such thing as completely noise cancelling headphones: the very good ones damp the sound to a minimum, but they don't completely stop or remove it.

Also, wearing such headphones can be quite discombobulated, as you're essentially cancelling out one of your senses: being unable to hear ANY sound, as a hearing person, feels strange.