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Mother's will

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Lemonmeringue76 · 12/08/2024 19:55

I am being totally eaten up with this and I finding it hard to let it go or move past it. My mum is on her own and leads an extremely frugal life. She is in her 90s. She had accumulated a huge amount of savings- somewhere between 250k and 300k. She also had a flat worth about 130k. Apart from 30k, she is leaving everything to my two children. My younger DD is likely to inherit about 250k which seems a huge amount of money for a young woman to inherit.
I am separated and not particularly well off. Some more of this money would mean a lot to me and would provide me with se purity as I come towards retirement (I'm in my 50s.)
I don't want this to define all our family relationships but I find it so unfair and so hurtful that I can't think of anything else.
AIBU?

OP posts:
peasepudding · 13/08/2024 14:50

I don't blame you for being upset OP, I'd be absolutely gutted. Am also divorced and facing older age with pretty limited means. I think it's really hurtful.

I know a family where the grandmother left all her money to her granddaughters and all her possessions to her stepchildren. The mother had to buy back any family things she wanted. So incredibly fucked up.

westisbest1982 · 13/08/2024 14:35

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 14:28

If either of my parents had money to leave, I would be delighted if they left it to my dds. I can’t imagine a world where I would resent them for this.

I bet you and others wouldn’t be saying that if you were the OP’s age and facing a modest quality of life for years, on one income.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 14:30

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 11:58

Disagree. We don’t have to live with unfair choices if the originator isn’t around to witness it. Just because she carved things up in a ridiculous manner the surviving family can hone it to their liking.

It’s Dm money. She is choosing to leave it to her gc. It’s unfair to pressure you children to give you money especially if you don’t need it

meimei80 · 13/08/2024 14:28

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 14:18

And this parent is not providing for her child. She’s skipping her; bypassing her in the generational hierarchy and isn’t communicating her reasons fairly. Transparently. She’s the child in this. And her Mum is missing her out. And that isn’t acceptable unless there are other factors that we don’t know about.

“There you go dear, I’ve left you a third each to allow the girls to enjoy some now when they need it most. You’ll be ok as you’ve got your pension and your unencumbered flat so 33% ought to suffice. Let me know if you disagree and we can talk.”

People make this so bloody hard and it’s really pointless.

Doesn't negate the fact that the OP is envious of her own children and wants their inheritance for herself.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 14:28

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 12:55

If my uncle gave me his estate, and my brother nothing, I’d sort it fairly with my brother after uncle died.

I could not enjoy the spoils of an estate if my sibling/offspring were considerably less financially stable. I’d balance the books.

All assuming relations were reasonable between all parties prior.

Im talking about giving more away than keeping myself. The OP’s daughters ought to be suggesting this anyway, as the major beneficiaries. I hope they’re not day dreaming about a life of luxury before they’ve equalled things up with their one and only Mother.

I knew we’d get the inheritance extremists on this thread. Put yourself in her shoes - would you not be upset by such harsh financial moves? It’s a snub, and it’s badly managed. But thankfully it can be sorted, as I describe above.

OP - any thoughts?

If either of my parents had money to leave, I would be delighted if they left it to my dds. I can’t imagine a world where I would resent them for this.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 14:26

Charley50 · 13/08/2024 13:21

@Lemonmeringue76 I totally understand your hurt. My friend's mum did a similar thing, leaving a massive % to a financially secure cousin, and the impact on my friend will be a difficult old age, maybe being forced out of her home town. She also wonders why the solicitor didn't query the Will, as it was such an unusual distribution of her Estate. She is incredibly hurt.

I do think your mum may be worried about your ex claiming money from you though. Maybe you could speak to her about this? Also any money to grandchildren should be divided equally to avoid family fallouts.

It’s not for solicitors to police how people choose to leave their money

LovelyBitOfHam · 13/08/2024 14:26

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 13/08/2024 10:54

Yes it does

It doesn’t.

Unless you’re incapable of speaking to your own close family.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 14:25

Longsight2019 · 12/08/2024 22:21

Here’s what I’d do.

let her wishes play out. But, before you all inherit, meet with your daughters and let them
know that you’re pretty hurt with the arrangement and that whilst you’re solvent, in no way are you comfortable.

The fairest solution, given that they know they are to inherit I presume, is to add the asset base up, and split it evenly between the three of you. It balances everything, irons out the unfairness and means you all get to benefit from the money now.

Anyone skipping generations and ignoring their mother financially whilst they take the lions share of an estate that you’re involved in, needs to consider their priorities.

Awaits the MN Will Police 👮‍♂️

What’s not to like?

I don’t think that’s fair at all to put pressure on your children to take their money. I can understand op is hurt but ultimately it’s her Dm choice to leave it to her grandchildren. And has the benefit that op won’t have to provide for them.

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 14:18

meimei80 · 13/08/2024 13:13

I disagree, and the relationships here are completely different than between siblings. The OP seems to begrudge her own children their inheritance. My view is that if we have children we are here to provide for them, NOT the other way round! And usually this is what parents wish to do above all else anyway! The children will have their lives to live, homes to set up, kids to have and pay for etc etc, I think it would be completely unreasonable to expect them to share with old ma so she can go on 5* holidays. It would be different if the OP was struggling but it doesn't sound like she is.

And this parent is not providing for her child. She’s skipping her; bypassing her in the generational hierarchy and isn’t communicating her reasons fairly. Transparently. She’s the child in this. And her Mum is missing her out. And that isn’t acceptable unless there are other factors that we don’t know about.

“There you go dear, I’ve left you a third each to allow the girls to enjoy some now when they need it most. You’ll be ok as you’ve got your pension and your unencumbered flat so 33% ought to suffice. Let me know if you disagree and we can talk.”

People make this so bloody hard and it’s really pointless.

anon20 · 13/08/2024 13:23

Could you ask her to consider splitting everything 3 ways instead OP?

Charley50 · 13/08/2024 13:21

@Lemonmeringue76 I totally understand your hurt. My friend's mum did a similar thing, leaving a massive % to a financially secure cousin, and the impact on my friend will be a difficult old age, maybe being forced out of her home town. She also wonders why the solicitor didn't query the Will, as it was such an unusual distribution of her Estate. She is incredibly hurt.

I do think your mum may be worried about your ex claiming money from you though. Maybe you could speak to her about this? Also any money to grandchildren should be divided equally to avoid family fallouts.

drowninginsick · 13/08/2024 13:18

Lemonmeringue76 · 12/08/2024 20:28

My mum would have no idea about IHT planning! She is not financially very literate. I think it's something along the lines of them having more life to live and I've screwed up my life (bad marriage and solid but unremarkable career) so I can just live in a tiny flat and watch TV as she's done for 30 years since retiring.

Maybe she's picked up on your attitude towards her and decided to skip a generation

meimei80 · 13/08/2024 13:13

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 12:55

If my uncle gave me his estate, and my brother nothing, I’d sort it fairly with my brother after uncle died.

I could not enjoy the spoils of an estate if my sibling/offspring were considerably less financially stable. I’d balance the books.

All assuming relations were reasonable between all parties prior.

Im talking about giving more away than keeping myself. The OP’s daughters ought to be suggesting this anyway, as the major beneficiaries. I hope they’re not day dreaming about a life of luxury before they’ve equalled things up with their one and only Mother.

I knew we’d get the inheritance extremists on this thread. Put yourself in her shoes - would you not be upset by such harsh financial moves? It’s a snub, and it’s badly managed. But thankfully it can be sorted, as I describe above.

OP - any thoughts?

I disagree, and the relationships here are completely different than between siblings. The OP seems to begrudge her own children their inheritance. My view is that if we have children we are here to provide for them, NOT the other way round! And usually this is what parents wish to do above all else anyway! The children will have their lives to live, homes to set up, kids to have and pay for etc etc, I think it would be completely unreasonable to expect them to share with old ma so she can go on 5* holidays. It would be different if the OP was struggling but it doesn't sound like she is.

Glitterybee · 13/08/2024 13:00

I would be happy that my kids were getting a great start!

sorry OP failing to see your part in this

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 12:55

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 13/08/2024 12:04

Her choices were not unfair.
Obviously another 'i'm entitled to inheritance' person

If my uncle gave me his estate, and my brother nothing, I’d sort it fairly with my brother after uncle died.

I could not enjoy the spoils of an estate if my sibling/offspring were considerably less financially stable. I’d balance the books.

All assuming relations were reasonable between all parties prior.

Im talking about giving more away than keeping myself. The OP’s daughters ought to be suggesting this anyway, as the major beneficiaries. I hope they’re not day dreaming about a life of luxury before they’ve equalled things up with their one and only Mother.

I knew we’d get the inheritance extremists on this thread. Put yourself in her shoes - would you not be upset by such harsh financial moves? It’s a snub, and it’s badly managed. But thankfully it can be sorted, as I describe above.

OP - any thoughts?

sammylady37 · 13/08/2024 12:26

MJOverInvestor · 13/08/2024 11:26

I meant morally... I had a relative who had two children - one of whom was very comfortably off and the other who wasn't. He came to the conclusion that he should leave them equal amounts and his children could always do a deed of variation should they want things any differently. (Which they may well have done.). Actually OP, depending on how things pan out and your relationship with your kids (and if they understand that their DGM has brought her own issues into the situation), a deed of variation (essentially rewriting a will after death if the beneficiaries all agree).

But morals are subjective. Someone else might think the moral thing to do in the example you posted is to even things out to bring the less well off one up to the level of the other, rather than leaving them still in unequal positions 🤷‍♀️

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 13/08/2024 12:04

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 11:58

Disagree. We don’t have to live with unfair choices if the originator isn’t around to witness it. Just because she carved things up in a ridiculous manner the surviving family can hone it to their liking.

Her choices were not unfair.
Obviously another 'i'm entitled to inheritance' person

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 11:58

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 13/08/2024 11:33

Because it is not what the person wanted. Simple.
Just because someone is dead doesn't mean their wshes have to be trodden over

Disagree. We don’t have to live with unfair choices if the originator isn’t around to witness it. Just because she carved things up in a ridiculous manner the surviving family can hone it to their liking.

TheaBrandt · 13/08/2024 11:51

The solicitor would have been concerned that you are in a sketchy legal situation as you are not properly divorced. If you inherited then died yourself without a will your Dh gets most of it.

KickAssAngel · 13/08/2024 11:44

How is your relationship with your mother in other respects? When you were younger, if she couldn't have something nice, did that mean you couldn't have it, either? Eg, she never had ice cream, so she never bought you an ice cream?

And did she then treat your children differently?

Wills often reflect a person's general attitude in life, so favoritism and values can be reflected. That's why they're so emotive. It isn't just about the money, but it can make someone feel loved (or not), particularly when it's a parent's will

It may be that her savings are used for care and your children end up with very little, but if they do get a large inheritance, I think you could very reasonably tell them that you have received nothing by comparison and therefore you will be offering a thoughtful token gift for large life events rather than large financial contributions. See that inheritance as completely yours to invest or enjoy.

GasPanic · 13/08/2024 11:35

I think your feelings are reasonable.

Most people I think would feel hurt in a similar situation. Mysteriously the ones that probably wouldn't are the ones that are probably well off in the first place and have no need of an inheritance.

It sounds like your parent has a difficult relationship with money.

mewkins · 13/08/2024 11:34

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 12/08/2024 20:39

Sounds like maybe there's more to this than you're telling us OP. Have you and your DM had disagreements about your choice of partner in the past? Maybe she tried to tell you that you were wrong to get hooked up with your ex, but you went your own way, and she was proved right about him, so she feels that you chose to ignore her advice, and now you can pay for it, or something along those lines? Is there anything else you do that she doesn't approve of OP, do you gamble, or drink too much in her opinion, in which case she might feel that she doesn't want to give you her money just for you to gamble it away, or piss it up the wall?

In my opinion, if you've got a reasonable job, and can afford to keep a roof over your head through your own efforts, then she probably feels you don't need anything more. You do sound like you begrudge your children the money, and as long as you're not on the breadline, which it doesn't sound like you are, then I think you should be glad to grateful to get anything, no one should depend on an inheritance, but sadly it seems so many do these days.

What the hell?! The OP has dared to separate from her incompetent husband so she's likely to be an irresponsible gambling drunk?!

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 13/08/2024 11:33

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 11:24

But what the trio decide is fair between themselves doesn’t really matter posthumously. The then deceased got to decide what she wanted to do, but then the trio work out what is best for all, to prevent imbalanced benefit to the family unit.

Why is that unethical?

Because it is not what the person wanted. Simple.
Just because someone is dead doesn't mean their wshes have to be trodden over

Longsight2019 · 13/08/2024 11:30

And I guess that’s what i mean. I just didn’t have the technical term to mind.

westisbest1982 · 13/08/2024 11:29

Yes it's a terrible will. I don't really have anything novel to add, but I do get the hurt and that you'd appreciate more money to help you live more comfortably after she passes. As others have said, perhaps she's thinking of your ex taking some of it...I know you said it's unlikely, but I dunno....

I know you've tried talking to her but maybe it's worth one more try? If things don't change then hopefully your oldest daughter will gift you some of her inheritance because that would be the empathetic thing to do. I can't imagine seeing my mum having an OK but not great quality of life on one average income whilst I live the high life.