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Friend skimping on dinner

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Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 18:35

Not entirely sure how to deal with this therefore asking for sensible advice on how to deal with this situation.

I’ve been friends with someone for a few years now. I used to enjoy their company however now can give or take on the basis that I thought we’d find a deeper connection but mostly it ends up in talking about other people. I’m enjoying the outings less. Also started to notice over time a pattern building up. When we go out for dinner and It’s my turn to pay they usually get a main, dessert and a few drinks so between us the bill usually is around £100s.

When it’s their turn to pay, the meal is just main course, no more than one drink and no dessert. Under £50s. what I find a little frustrating is the conversations had are not only about other people but also what ridiculously expensive designer purchase they’re making. And they do frequently buy expensive items. Also gets really annoyed when their other half hasn’t spent x amount on their birthday and Xmas gift.

Also that expectation of lavish gifts was laid out to me therefore for birthdays and Xmas I’ve gifted them pretty expensive gifts but in return I’ve received something worth £20 and second hand gifts.

I have friendships with people I’ve known since my childhood and we just don’t exchange gifts or buy one another dinner and I like that. It’s easy and simple. Or on the odd occasion we do buy each other dinner (rare as we don’t see each other that often) it always equals out. I never take more than I give. Vice versa.

My partner was the person to point out the inconsistency in me buying meals and going out and gifts which I at first brushed over because I didn’t mind but more recently I was just a bit annoyed because it was a shitty cheap meal , superficial conversation, and then talk about their next £3k purchase.

what would you do? I see this person most days as I run into them due to work.

I’ve left some bits out re conversations because it’s quite outing!!

OP posts:
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 12/08/2024 20:02

PiggieWig · 12/08/2024 18:40

Rather than take it in turns I’d split the bill each time. I’d be a bit less available too.

This.
CF alert!!
You can get a bill splitting app.. and let her know up front that is what you've decided to do so there is no awkwardness at the meet up when you whip out your app. I expect she will do less of these meals when its even stevens.

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 20:01

Flibflobflibflob · 12/08/2024 19:52

I had a hard childhood, it made me really grateful when someone wanted to be my friend. It definitely didn’t make me a user, more terrified of being perceived as one. I’ve never treated anyone like it’s their job to repair my trauma with cash.

I’m sorry to hear that and good on you for treating others well and with respect.

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Cheesyfootballs01 · 12/08/2024 19:55

Instead of paying individually each time can you not just split the bill?

Flibflobflibflob · 12/08/2024 19:52

I had a hard childhood, it made me really grateful when someone wanted to be my friend. It definitely didn’t make me a user, more terrified of being perceived as one. I’ve never treated anyone like it’s their job to repair my trauma with cash.

VictoriaEra2 · 12/08/2024 19:51

IntrepidCat · 12/08/2024 18:39

Either stop the meals altogether or else say that from now you will each just pay for your own share.

This is sensible. Just split the bill every time.

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:49

Lorapots · 12/08/2024 19:45

I had a childhood friend who has expected me to pick up the bill and listen to all her trauma since our teen years. Only recently in our late 30s have I taken a step back and she’s clearly noticed. There’s essentially no more friendship as I’ve served my purpose in her eyes! I feel so relieved to have her out my life. I got her a thoughtful gift worth £250 for her milestone birthday (I had checked with her beforehand that she wanted it) and she sent a short “happy bday” text on mine, no card nada!

It wasn’t just that incident alone but that kind of summed up the imbalance.

You just need to cut some people loose or they’ll continue to suck you dry and take advantage. Either that or take a major step back and make sure you match their level of genorisity (or lack of it) and no more!

I get you. It’s a bit of a punch in the stomach isn’t it? It’s not the end of the world but I suppose it’s the harsh reality of you being completely taken advantage of ?

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Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:47

I really am grateful for the time every one of you have taken to write a response. I’m thankful and I sort of feel like my resentment can be replaced with a long term sensible approach that’s suits my life as opposed to being engulfed by the frustration of what’s happened. I know people have much worse issues than this little dilemma I’m in 😅

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LoobyDoop2 · 12/08/2024 19:47

it’s just weird because the Xmas gift and birthday gift thing was pretty much laid out in terms of ‘it has to be a nice gift as I like nice things’ and then in return I get gifts that I pass on to my little cousins because they’re just things that you gift as stocking fillers.

I don’t understand this parallel universe so many mumsnet posters seem to live in. If someone tells you you have to get them a nice gift, you don’t obediently toddle off and spend £100 you can’t afford. You laugh and say haha, good one, and then don’t get them anything at all.

Lorapots · 12/08/2024 19:45

I had a childhood friend who has expected me to pick up the bill and listen to all her trauma since our teen years. Only recently in our late 30s have I taken a step back and she’s clearly noticed. There’s essentially no more friendship as I’ve served my purpose in her eyes! I feel so relieved to have her out my life. I got her a thoughtful gift worth £250 for her milestone birthday (I had checked with her beforehand that she wanted it) and she sent a short “happy bday” text on mine, no card nada!

It wasn’t just that incident alone but that kind of summed up the imbalance.

You just need to cut some people loose or they’ll continue to suck you dry and take advantage. Either that or take a major step back and make sure you match their level of genorisity (or lack of it) and no more!

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:44

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:39

ah okay. Sorry when I said heartbroken I meant that they have not had it easy in life and that’s why I didn’t mind speaking to them so I felt heartbroken for them and their story. I just sort of felt like they seemed to be drawn to me because I was essentially putting into practice a lot of things I’d learned from therapy over the years and the year they met me I was feeling my best because things were just working out. And I don’t know, they spoke a little about some of the hardship they went through in life and still are dealing with and I felt like perhaps we can be good reminders for one another but I chose to continue to remain in therapy just as a MOT type measure whereas this person I realise has no interest in therapy or improving themselves . I do believe they come from a broken home but I don’t believe they want to do the work to resolve the issues and instead numb themselves by expecting and buying lavish gifts and expecting to enjoy the company of others? Is it worth mentioning they mentioned that one of their friends ditched them and instead of feeling sorry for them I’d come to the conclusion that person had enough of them.

Yes, that last paragraph is worth mentioning. Sounds almost like it was free therapy for her, when she needed it, but it was a card she was happy enough to keep.

Maria1979 · 12/08/2024 19:43

You only have one life OP so pick your friends wisely. If a "friend" is constantly being negative and bitchy, an entitled cheapskate and taking advantage of you is that someone you want in your life?
I understand if you don't want a confrontation but you can just say you're saving for DH's birthday/holiday or whatever and that you can't spend any money but would she like to go for a walk? I'm pretty sure she will turn you down because she won't be able to get something from you. And if she does say yes you could bore her to death by taking a positive acceptance of everything stance. "So did you see Laura's outfit yesterday?" - Yes, she looked lovely.
"I want to buy this new Dior bag.." - if it makes you happy but I don't think we find happiness in material things. I'm thinking of volonteering for X, they really need people now with living costs soaring, would you like to come too? Or maybe make a donation instead of the Dior bag?

However you do it please get her out of your life. If she's bitching about others non-stop she's surely bitching about you as well. I know the type and stay faaar away from them.

NonsuchCastle · 12/08/2024 19:42

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:26

Would you say in your experience it just slowly creeps up on you and then years later you realise you’re being taken advantage of? what seems like a good idea at the time, or brushing off the odd bits and bobs actually just ends up building. When I wrote my original post I read it back on it and thought I’m an idiot.

pretty much everyone on here has given really good advice. Either be less available or just pay for my own bits. I’m going to go for the former as it’s easier to be busy. Maybe she will just get the hint.

@greenpinkskies sorry not sure what you mean by your first line. Do you think you can explain it to me so I don’t misunderstand it? Thanks 😊

I think it can definitely be a sitch where it slowly creeps up on you. You are not an idiot. Ditch her and don't feel you have to explain or make excuses. This might involve her throwing a strop. Example:
Her: Shall we do dinner on Friday?
You: No thanks.
Her: Oh. Well, Saturday then.
You: No, got to go - bye.
Her: [texting later] You have really hurt me, I thought we were friends.
You: [ignore the text]

CautiousLurker · 12/08/2024 19:39

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 12/08/2024 18:56

She sounds like a nightmare.

  1. her form of entertainment is talking about others
  2. she is tight with you
  3. but generous with herself
  4. she’s taking advantage of you financially You sound like you have zero in common, OP. You are worried about upsetting her but she’s not bothered about upsetting you. You already have a great set of friends - make them a priority. Then invent a major financial project (an extension, for example) and tell her all your spare funds are going to be put aside for that so you will happy to just do coffee from now on. Spilt the bill and insist on it, you will feel better. And always remember someone who spends their whole conversation talking about other people probably talks about you. She’s giving Mean Girls main character energy. In your world, reduce her role!

This, not least because you cn queue to buy your on coffee/cake, and let her pay for her own, and you can be done in an hour … or you can text OH to call you with an ‘emergency’ and bail if she just goes on and on.

But I’d space the coffees out and let the relationship drift. Whatever connected you originally is no longer there. People change and what you need from a relationship changes. You’re not a bad person if you let this ship pass in the night and head for sunnier shores!

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:39

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:31

About being heartbroken you mean? I meant that she is not treating you well op, and you seem to be the sort of person who does treat friends well. It does not sound as if she is worth being heartbroken over. A bit sad maybe, but not heartbroken.

But yes, some things do creep up on you and suddenly your eyes just open and you see things for what they are.

Edit Sorry @Thebaguette I meant to quote OP not you.

Edited

ah okay. Sorry when I said heartbroken I meant that they have not had it easy in life and that’s why I didn’t mind speaking to them so I felt heartbroken for them and their story. I just sort of felt like they seemed to be drawn to me because I was essentially putting into practice a lot of things I’d learned from therapy over the years and the year they met me I was feeling my best because things were just working out. And I don’t know, they spoke a little about some of the hardship they went through in life and still are dealing with and I felt like perhaps we can be good reminders for one another but I chose to continue to remain in therapy just as a MOT type measure whereas this person I realise has no interest in therapy or improving themselves . I do believe they come from a broken home but I don’t believe they want to do the work to resolve the issues and instead numb themselves by expecting and buying lavish gifts and expecting to enjoy the company of others? Is it worth mentioning they mentioned that one of their friends ditched them and instead of feeling sorry for them I’d come to the conclusion that person had enough of them.

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GoFigure235 · 12/08/2024 19:39

I'd just say you're saving for something and watching the pennies at the moment, so if you do meet, could you meet for coffee, and stop with the present-giving.

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:38

@greenpinkskies there certainly are! I was actually stunned that she was fine with other friend having to use her card to loan her the money for tickets and that she had asked around everyone looking for a loan.

BobbyBiscuits · 12/08/2024 19:37

Just keep it that you go halves, or each take turns to pay. But bear in mind the level she will spend. So just match that.
If you want to go somewhere more expensive, just explain that you'll pay for your own extras.
I personally wouldn't want to be friends with someone who seems so preoccupied with bitching about others, and what they spend their cash on. She sounds pretty tedious.
If her budget is lower, she should politely say so when you've invited her to somewhere out of her usual price range.
But if it has to be a bi annual Nandos then so be it.
Doesn't sound like she's scintillating company anyway.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2024 19:36

Sorry- 'Neither characteristic is at all appealing!'

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 12/08/2024 19:35

Why are you even indulging in this? If someone told me they like nice gifts, they would be getting nice but cheap gift and that would be the last one ever.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2024 19:33

She sounds really boring and really tight. Neither characteristic are at all appealing!

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:33

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:28

@greenpinkskies I did say no. She asked one of our other friends who put it on her credit card and advised her she would need the money by x date to ensure she didn't pay interest. This date was a couple weeks before she had said she would be able to pay me back so gave me the impression (right or wrong) that she was paying when convenient rather then the first opportunity which annoyed me even more

There are so many CF’s out there. I honestly don’t know how they can do it.

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:33

@Aadamsfamily yes it's crept up and now I do feel like an idiot. I also really realised after the incident where she wanted a loan for her ticket and I thought no I'm not going down that road of also bankrolling her as it woukd never stop.

Also I couldn't drive for a few weeks due to needing physio, she showed zero interest in meeting up while I said I couldn't drive and hasn't even checked in on me to see how it's going so that was another light bulb moment

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:31

Thebaguette · 12/08/2024 19:27

Give then £5 gifts from charity stores. If they complain say you are no longer going to give expensive gifts to those adults who can afford but still get you cheap gifts. If they get upset, their issue.

About being heartbroken you mean? I meant that she is not treating you well op, and you seem to be the sort of person who does treat friends well. It does not sound as if she is worth being heartbroken over. A bit sad maybe, but not heartbroken.

But yes, some things do creep up on you and suddenly your eyes just open and you see things for what they are.

Edit Sorry @Thebaguette I meant to quote OP not you.

VotesForWomen · 12/08/2024 19:31

If you do continue to go for meals out with her, you can draw your boundaries about the topics of conversation.

"You'll never guess what Linda did, she was a right bitch..."

"Let's keep it high vibe shall we, who are you LOVING on right now and why?"
"Hmm, I'm not really feeling the negative vibe of this subject, let's talk about something happier instead!"

momtoboys · 12/08/2024 19:29

If you enjoy their company (which it doesn't sound like you do), tell them the next time you go to dinner that you would be more comfortable each paying for their own meal. It might be a little awkward bringing it up but worth it for your peace of mind.