TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

That breed is too vicious, and too many owners cannot handle them. In fact I would say ALL owners wouldn’t be able to handle their XL bully if it snaps. So the risks are just too high.

Why should the lives of people and other animals be put at risk just because someone wants THAT particular dog as a pet? There are lots of other breeds to choose from!

It’s just arrogance to want to own a dangerous dog. Some of these owners are fiercely determined to prove how wonderful and calm this breed is because they are completely deluded.

They’re butt ugly anyway. 🤢 Probably like their owners’ personalities.

I think it's because it happens with depressing regularity, it doesn't always make the national press. Guy in my mom's home village was jailed earlier this year because in 2022 his XL Bully killed another dog walker's dog, and badly injured the owner (he had tendon damage that required surgery).

XL Bullys have been bred to quickly to turn a profit, and as a result they're dangerously inbred, which can result in mental and behavioural issues. IIRC (and apologies if this is mentioned elsewhere in the thread) , I think research showed that 50% of UK XL Bullies are descended from "Killer Kimbo", an American dog that was born of a brother and sister mating (so already very inbred). One of Kimbo's offspring was used extensively for breeding UK bullies... another one of his offspring killed a four year old. One of his 'grandchildren' killed his owner's father.

That poor little daschund, and the poor owner, and everyone who had to witness it.

It's not the dogs, it's the owners is akin to guns don't kill people, people do. In that case why not allow unrestricted gun ownership. If everything is down to the people who own dangerous things, why restrict anything?

I like dogs and used to have a staffie but I think we've reached a point where all the XL bullies need to be culled.
I'm sure that would mean some dogs would be killed that wouldn't hurt anyone but the risk is too great now. As a breed they are far too unstable to be trusted. The damage they can inflict is horrendous.

Darling you sound exactly like that stupid young woman in Limerick spouting almost exactly the same nonsense word for word contained in your post. She met a rather unpleasant fate being torn to pieces by one of her 'babies' while her family watched on cctv and the police couldn't get near to help until the armed response team arrived. Now she was a deeply unpleasant person in life but my god that is a horrific way to go

Riots, Olympics...too many XL dog stories already. (Crude, but true.)

It is the breed and the fuckwit owners. Both should be put down.

This is just not true , breeds have traits good or bad that override any training or control humans can do.
I have many years experience working in a vets and xl bullys stand alone ,we have seen them more than ever lately with the compulsory neutering rules - still no where near the amount we should be seeing though so clearly there are a huge amount of owners not complying, these dogs are terrifying even experienced people such as a vet team would stand no chance if one turned .
Each time we get one out of a kennel it is a leap of faith , they are wired different to anything else .
I am yet to meet anyone in my field who has trust in this breed - man has a lot to answer for.
The dog world is in chaos at the moment.

It IS the breed. This is not an upbringing issue. These dogs can't stay sane.

I'm wondering if this is the same dog in a work van that would be parked on my driveway at my old house (without permission, I might add) as the description is spot on.

A handful of times I'd be leaving for work and met with the most ghastly looking XL bully thing sitting in the van, window ajar, 2-3 metres from my front door. Cropped ears. It looked like something from a nightmare.

Are you in south east London by any chance? @time2changeCharlieBrown

Even if we eradicated these dogs there would be a replacement, so we need to look at the whole picture of why this happens.

In an ideal world I'd like to see a licence required to own any dog. I say any dog because I want to see an end not only in attacks but also anti-social behaviour eg barking, and cruelty caused by ignorance. There are a huge number of well-meaning but seemingly clueless dog owners around it's staggering. To gain the licence you have to pass an exam on dog behaviour, including recognising danger signals, and dog training, dog care (eg the mental and physical requirements of different types of dogs), and expected costs of dog ownership.

I'd also like a ban on all dog breeding without a licence for similar reasons, and also to try and cut down on the thousands of poor dogs in rescue centres. To breed, one should pass an exam on genetic issues, bloodlines, etc. Before each litter you'd also have to justify why you want to breed that sire with that dam and prove it's in the best interests of the pups. You'd also need to prove you have a waiting list for the pups.

We also need to look at society, and address why certain types of people are drawn to certain breeds. Deal with the underlying causes of what drives the desire to have status dogs. Really look at the bigger picture and deal with the root causes.

Of course none of this will happen because it would be a huge undertaking, and it won't cure every problem, but unless we do it's akin to sticking plasters over a wound that needs stitching.

I'm sure some lions and tigers are 'absolute softies' according to their own owners. But we don't keep the as family pets.

I saw one up close recently in a house I was conducting an appointment in. It was in a cage and it was huge and scary looking. The house had small children and a newborn so I reported it.

Was that in Ireland?
We saw one sat on its own inside a van looking very menacing and the owner was nowhere to be seen. The breed needs to be banned over here asap.

You're supposed to have a dog licence in Ireland and for all dogs to be chipped but the number of dogs found wandering and brought to the local rescues with no chip is disgraceful. Often, the dog has escaped from the garden or been let out to do its own walkies (!!) and the owner retrieves them, but they still don’t get them chipped.

They can only report what they know about.
....Just a suggestion! Our local paper has an anonymous email in option....

Exactly. And it's not blaming dogs to say the breed is an issue. We humans have bred them into being aggressive, huge fighting machines and so have set these animals up to fail. It's cruel and irresponsible. Of course they then eventually follow their instincts and attack what they see as prey - and they're so strong the outcomes are disastrous.

Are you allowed to share the Just giving page?

Oh do piss.

I regularly still see unmuzzled xl bullies out and about. I’m in a big city so no idea who the owners are to report them, I would if I could. 9 times out of 10, they’re straining at the lead and the owner is struggling to hold onto them. And that’s just walking them. If the dog spotted someone or something they wanted to go for, the owner wouldn’t stand a chance trying to stop them.

It makes me really angry. I don’t think anyone should own these dogs but if you’re going to then at least muzzle them in public. Not because it’s the law even, but because it’s the right thing to do. Clearly these owners can’t be trusted to do the right thing, so I’m at the point where I think all xl’s need to be euthanised.

Er no. Why would ignore the breed?

They are not suitable for pets, but it is generally bad owners that allow these things to happen.

Intrusive thoughts are you problem though, maybe get some help for that.

Stupid irresponsible people will always exist. So isn't it time to prevent them from indulging in a particularly dangerous form of irresponsibility by an outright ban?

Are you relally as obtuse as you make yourself look?

Well the SNP didn't want to bring anything in at all until they had to because everyone started shipping their dogs up to Scotland.