TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

Crewe. Yet another one, this time on a 17yo boy.

https://crewe.nub.news/news/local-news/boy-17-in-hospital-after-attack-from-suspected-xl-bully-dog-in-crewe-237372

@oakleaffy how utterly appalling and avoidable. I HATE these demon dogs, they all need to be wiped off the face of the earth. I hate even more the devil humans who own them and promote them as safe, misunderstood nanny dogs. The are evil, reckless and stupid, and it makes me so angry.

Those poor kids. Imagine losing your thumb because of a dog. He is lucky to be alive, as is the other child.

The lot of them should be euthanised and the breed wiped out.

They are genetically programmed to be violent, aggressive and strong enough to kill. Owners and the level of responsibility they take is a factor, but ultimately you can't stop an animal that is bred in such a way that they can't control their aggression and strength.

I know of a woman who has one and also has an 8 year old child.

They live in a tiny house where the dog doesn't have much space to roam around. Also, the dog sometimes shares a bed with her child (who is autistic, very loud and unaware of personal space).

It is a recipe for disaster but apparently she will not be told. I can't bear the thought of what might happen if the dog snaps or something happens overnight.

I don't know what some people need to happen to knock some sense into them.

Oh FFS.

When will owners of big dogs get some common sense?

And another - again in Wales. {Attack on a child}

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw0yr5445nwo

There has been another XLB attack on a child in Wales.
The child's grandmother said ''The XLB wanted the child'' {she tried to shield the boy with her body}

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-8-loses-thumb-dragged-33452550

I wouldn't allow people to keep full-sized pigs as pets. Only minipigs.

and you dont think it would be possible to (by selective breeding) turn a member of the porcine family into an animal that will attack?
Mini pig is to pig, as chihuahua is to dog!

Minipigs would be best, far better than dogs in every way. They don't bark, don't attack people, far more suitable.

Yes, I recognised your awful story. It has stayed with me as your description was so agonising.
I dread seeing the hippopotamus dogs on walks - almost always with feeble owners.

I'm gonna vote for capybaras....

I think the benefits for owners are real and shouldn't be discounted. I've seen our neighbour - a single lady living alone and I suspect somewhat isolated previously - transformed since getting a dog. She's out walking it most days, quite often with a friend who I suspect she met dog-walking, and appears much happier and healthier. I'm quite jealous! And of course there is a societal benefit in terms of individuals been healthier and less isolated.

But yes, her dog is a medium-sized fluffy creature that would only really be a threat to someone with bad asthma.

I agree. The only net perceived benefits are for the owner, for the rest of society only net negatives. This makes dogs antisocial like smoking, loud music or modified cars. In terms of banning, I’d ban anything a toddler couldn’t beat in a fight.

But they’re not just companions as has been pointed out to you.
Dogs have lived in service for humans for hundreds and hundreds of years. Companionship is a relatively new positive we get from them but they have literally saved lives in this role too.
Idiot owners and greedy irresponsible breeders are the problem here. Pretty much always the humans that are the problem.

@HettieBettyBoo I’m so sorry you’ve been through this, I would be bitter too. My dog is also my lifeline (in my case in coping with long term illness). This time of year we see XLs, unmuzzled and entire. I won’t go to certain places in summer with my (very well behaved and happy dog), because I know that grown men can’t fight these beasts off, so I have no chance at protecting my dog.
They are the Orcs of the dog world, there’s no way for them to be safe around people and animals.

I'm not a dog person as such but it's clear that there are dogs and then there are these dreadful animals. I have no problem having a chat and a pat/cuddle (with the owner's permission, of course) with a passing spaniel, poodle, dachshund, boxer, settler or mongrel of good character. Or even (with caution) a good-tempered doberman or alsatian. I have come across a number of reactive dogs and dogs best treated with a large degree of caution (and of course all large dogs can be very dangerous), but what seems to set these animals apart is their inherent aggression combined with the serious injuries which they are capable of inflicting. So many of these dogs seem to have absolute hair triggers or need no provocation to attack, and of course the consequences are often tragic.

And another

Your friend has a service dog for her diabetes as a dog is really the only domesticated animal that can smell the changes in her blood sugar and get her emergency medical pack before she starts having sudden serious onset symptoms. She's also a massive comfort and companion to my friend.

I also know blind people with assistance dogs who place their faith in their animals every day for safety and companionship and love.

I also know people who don't have registered service dogs but their dogs provide a service to them by giving them a purpose to get up and move and leave the house and confide in and stave off loneliness, and it truly is life saving.

I know autistic children who cannot speak and find eye contact unbearable find connection and the ability to regulate by having a dog companion.

You might not like dogs, but they perform a lot of good in a human society, so I think you need to address your hatred of these really amazing animals with a professional. It's normal to feel strongly about some things, this probably is irrational though.

If there was no dogs some other animal would fill their role as companion animals.

I think I’ve spoken to you before on another thread about this 🥰. Thank you for your lovely messages, they made me feel not so alone when it all initially happened.

Agree- there is a world of difference between a sweet natured well trained dog of good temperament and one of these hugely inbred monsters.

Well trained dogs are well socialised and completely unobtrusive.
I hope you can eventually trust enough to find another companion after such a shocking loss.

I can absolutely understand how utterly traumatised you are after having your beautiful dog slaughtered by one of these deranged fighting breeds.
My friend’s children were attacked by an English Bull Terrier ( it’s owner was banned from keeping dogs at the time ( Dog fighting)
even now, almost 15 yrs later she scans the horizon for this type of dog, and she was traumatised for years after, seeing her children being attacked.

Her children bear scars still.
It came barrelling out of a park
zero collar, and leapt on the buggy.
she said it was like grappling with a pig, nothing to her hold of.
EBT’s are small compared to XLB’s

It’s owner came running, thrashing the dog with a heavy chain.

There was footage of a Welsh Farmer who had two of these deranged XLB’s in with his sheep

The roaring of one when it was him was actually evil sounding.
A shotgun put paid to those, thank goodness.

It’s awful that some idiots choice of dog can impact so badly on innocent people and their children and pets.

My dog was my lifeline and allowed me to have my independence again. Many assistance dogs allow their owners to live a semi normal life. I could make a huge post on this but I’m not going to bother as people like you and the ‘ban all dogs’ mentality are uneducated as far as I’m concerned. We also have mountain rescue dogs, would you ban them too? Working collies, we have them as well.

While I completely understand people who don’t like dogs, please understand many dogs are trained to help humans. Two of our dogs have so far saved 238 lives finding people on mountains. So yeah, let’s ban them all.

I do understand why you feel so badly about dogs @OonaStubbs but I feel personally that only dangerous dogs should be banned (And yes decisions would still need to be made about what constitutes a dangerous dog) and there should be more restrictions on the keeping of other types of dog.

Why all dogs? What about fluffy companion dogs that are bred responsibly without aggression or health issues?