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to report this to the police, even though I am technically implicating myself?

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Imperrysmum · 10/08/2024 15:27

My local park is locked overnight and isn’t opened until 6am. It’s a huge park but in one area part of the fence is missing so I squeeze through and go into the park to walk my dog at 4am (he is an XL bully so I like to go the park when nobody is about)

The last few mornings when I have been walking round by the pond there have been a couple of men sitting on the benches next to the pond “feeding the ducks”. I noticed they have black bin liners next to them too. I’m pretty sure I recognise these men from working in a takeaway restaurant.

I am concerned they are trying to catch ducks. I hope i’m wrong, but I just can’t see why two adult men would sit feeding the ducks at 4am?! Especially as the park is officially closed and they have bin liners next to them.

AIBU to report this to the police, even though I’ll be implicating myself too?

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Imperrysmum · 18/08/2024 16:27

CurlewKate · 18/08/2024 14:32

Good thing they weren't stroking a random cat.....

Why’s that? What an odd thing to say.

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2024 14:32

Good thing they weren't stroking a random cat.....

CurlewKate · 18/08/2024 14:31

@ToplessWordle "Or are you suggesting that the law only applies to white British people and we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by people of other races?"

No. Nobody is thinking that. For a second. Don't worry.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 13:26

ToplessWordle · 18/08/2024 12:09

But why is this even relevant? If the OP suspects somebody of committing a crime, she should report it, regardless of that person's ethnicity. Or are you suggesting that the law only applies to white British people and we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by people of other races? If so, please remember that it was this way of thinking that led to child grooming gangs in places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford etc being able to operate with impunity for decades, wrecking the lives of thousands of young girls who were sexually abused and exploited.

It is relevant because if she saw two white dudes having a beer, she would not be reporting them. She wanted to report them because she made a connection between them, their likely place of work (they must stand out in her white community) and the fact they sell duck dishes and probably all the stories on Daily Fail where foreigners from all over the world steal and eat local wildlife (funnily you dont see stories about white British people doing the same in the said newspaper).

SweetcornFritter · 18/08/2024 13:26

ToplessWordle · 18/08/2024 12:09

But why is this even relevant? If the OP suspects somebody of committing a crime, she should report it, regardless of that person's ethnicity. Or are you suggesting that the law only applies to white British people and we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by people of other races? If so, please remember that it was this way of thinking that led to child grooming gangs in places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford etc being able to operate with impunity for decades, wrecking the lives of thousands of young girls who were sexually abused and exploited.

No, I’m suggesting she thought they must be stealing ducks because they were not white British and because she thought they worked in a local takeaway that serves duck and because stealing waterfowl is a typical Daily Mail anti immigrant headline that gets trotted out with some regularity that gave her the idea in the first place. As it turns out they were doing nothing at all illegal, and thr OP simply put 2 and 2 together and came up with an (implicitly) racist 5.

ToplessWordle · 18/08/2024 12:09

SweetcornFritter · 18/08/2024 10:21

So just to be clear - the guys working late in the local takeaway (that you are so familiar with you can recognise them from a distance in a park before sunise) - were they white British guys?

But why is this even relevant? If the OP suspects somebody of committing a crime, she should report it, regardless of that person's ethnicity. Or are you suggesting that the law only applies to white British people and we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by people of other races? If so, please remember that it was this way of thinking that led to child grooming gangs in places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford etc being able to operate with impunity for decades, wrecking the lives of thousands of young girls who were sexually abused and exploited.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2024 11:59

"This was never about race, it was the connection between suspicious behaviour around ducks combined with recognising the men from a takeaway restaurant that serves duck."

Nope. Nothing racist about that at all. Nothing to see here. Step away.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 10:31

SweetcornFritter · 18/08/2024 10:21

So just to be clear - the guys working late in the local takeaway (that you are so familiar with you can recognise them from a distance in a park before sunise) - were they white British guys?

Remember this takeaway serves ducks, how 'likely' is it for them to be white. Id not be surprised if they were not even the actual workers in that takeaway anyways, but you know, men who looked 'similar'...

JustAnotherDadOf2 · 18/08/2024 10:31

You should definitely report it, "egregious and unsolicited feeding of wildlife in a public space without provocation or just reward at unsociable hours" is an offence that could result in a serious slap on the back or even a hearty handshake. You must report it the cops need a good laugh and hopefully will take a dangerous dog off the streets as well. It's a win win for everyone.

SweetcornFritter · 18/08/2024 10:21

Imperrysmum · 17/08/2024 22:44

I never once mentioned anyone’s race? 🤔 so I think YOU are making the tedious racist assumption.

This was never about race, it was the connection between suspicious behaviour around ducks combined with recognising the men from a takeaway restaurant that serves duck.

If I recognised some men who worked in a Toby Carvery acting suspicious in a potato field at 4am, I’d think they were nicking potatoes too.

So just to be clear - the guys working late in the local takeaway (that you are so familiar with you can recognise them from a distance in a park before sunise) - were they white British guys?

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 10:17

hissyfit123 · 18/08/2024 09:02

I would report it to the community police or the council if it is a council park. At the very least they are causing a litter problem feeding the birds bread (which is not good for them) At worst it is theft and animal cruelty. Better to report it and be wrong than a crime being commited and ignoring it. As long as your dog is muzzled and neutered as per the law you really shouldn't have a problem.

May be worth reading the updates, you're a bit late to the party.

Lavenderblue11 · 18/08/2024 10:03

Imperrysmum · 15/08/2024 21:36

Hi all. Thought I’d do a quick update as a few of you had been speculating I had ended up on the specials menu.

So…I was wrong.

Waited in the bush last Sunday morning for nearly 2 hours until they finally turned up at 5am.

They sat on the bench for a while, feeding the ducks then stripped off and swam in the pond. Meanwhile i’m stuck inside the bush, with CHRONIC cramp in my calf from crouching for so long, nearly in tears with the pain while wrestling my dogs mouth shut so he doesn’t bark at the naked men swimming past us in the pond.

When they got out they dried off with towels from the black bags and got out a flask of tea(?) to drink.

So yep, I was wrong. Not snatching ducks.

Hilarious 😂!
Thank you for the update, glad you didn't get arrested as a peeping tom!

hissyfit123 · 18/08/2024 09:02

I would report it to the community police or the council if it is a council park. At the very least they are causing a litter problem feeding the birds bread (which is not good for them) At worst it is theft and animal cruelty. Better to report it and be wrong than a crime being commited and ignoring it. As long as your dog is muzzled and neutered as per the law you really shouldn't have a problem.

MaggieHM · 18/08/2024 07:33

The whole thing made me laugh. Especially the bit where you were hiding for so long. Also you repeatedly state your dog is on a lead and muzzled yet people kept accusing you of breaking that law. I'm almost sure, that both parties going into a supposedly locked park would be officially wrong. However if no one is fixing the broken places they probably dont care. 😂

CitrusSquad · 18/08/2024 07:10

That's it... I'm not eating shredded duck from my local take away every again 😬😆

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 18/08/2024 04:34

I suggest next time OP hides in the bushes in front of the restaurant... she may find out she got totally wrong guys too.

Dibbydoos · 18/08/2024 04:23

Why would they be catching ducks again?

Did you know ducks make an absolute racket if they are threatened?

You are jumping to mad conclusions and are being unreasonable without evidence!

Owl55 · 18/08/2024 00:11

Did they have pancakes and hoisin sauce with them too? If so I’d be very worried!

WiddlinDiddlin · 17/08/2024 22:59

Lucy25 · 17/08/2024 22:51

Oh goodness, that’s not your concern, OP, has said the reason for going to the park at that time, she sounds very responsible, wanting her dog to be left on his/her own to have some freedom, if you had a dog you’d understand.
They’re probably feeding the ducks, really, with black bags next to them at 4am! another
assumption you’re making, not very helpful.
Anyway back to the original post, l personally think it is suspicious, l would report it, because it is actually illegal to intentionally injure/kill take any wild bird.
I understand you being cautious, reporting this, however you haven’t done anything illegal, you have a concern, if l was in your position l would report it, even if you do it anonymously.l don’t think it’s funny, like some of the other comments and it’s the right thing to do.

Sorry, whats responsible about breaching the exemption conditions for her dog by letting it run around in a public park, presumably unmuzzled too, on the grounds that because it is locked it is therefore private property ... totally missing the point that the exemption certificate only allows you to have your dog off lead and unmuzzled on your own property.

Lucy25 · 17/08/2024 22:51

Galoop · 16/08/2024 05:48

Sorry to derail, but if you were responsible you wouldn't have a dog like that. They're probably feeding the ducks, although that's not ideal either.

Oh goodness, that’s not your concern, OP, has said the reason for going to the park at that time, she sounds very responsible, wanting her dog to be left on his/her own to have some freedom, if you had a dog you’d understand.
They’re probably feeding the ducks, really, with black bags next to them at 4am! another
assumption you’re making, not very helpful.
Anyway back to the original post, l personally think it is suspicious, l would report it, because it is actually illegal to intentionally injure/kill take any wild bird.
I understand you being cautious, reporting this, however you haven’t done anything illegal, you have a concern, if l was in your position l would report it, even if you do it anonymously.l don’t think it’s funny, like some of the other comments and it’s the right thing to do.

Imperrysmum · 17/08/2024 22:44

CurlewKate · 16/08/2024 06:10

If this is true, then you are making a very tedious racist assumption.

I never once mentioned anyone’s race? 🤔 so I think YOU are making the tedious racist assumption.

This was never about race, it was the connection between suspicious behaviour around ducks combined with recognising the men from a takeaway restaurant that serves duck.

If I recognised some men who worked in a Toby Carvery acting suspicious in a potato field at 4am, I’d think they were nicking potatoes too.

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CrunchyCarrot · 17/08/2024 22:43

So those guys were swimming in the lake at 4 a.m. and then having a cuppa? Weirdos! 😂Glad the ducks are OK though!

Imperrysmum · 17/08/2024 22:37

Twototwo15 · 17/08/2024 19:58

I’m quite impressed your dog sat quietly in a bush for three hours.

As I said, I had to clamp his mouth shut while they swam past to stop him barking but other than that he was a very good boy sitting in the bush for 3 hours. Who knew! A well behaved XL bully :)

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Imperrysmum · 17/08/2024 22:34

StarCurator · 17/08/2024 21:23

Yes, you are being unreasonable. You haven't seen those guys do anything illegal, and it sounds as if they are harmless. The idea that they are catching ducks seems extremely far-fetched. Those ducks would likely be extremely tough and would not make a delicious confit de canard. For all you know, they may not have anywhere to live, and camp out in the park; you could be doing them a lot of damage by reporting them. They are probably wondering why you are walking a dangerous dog in the park at 4am, and feeling pretty nervous that your dog might attack them.

I’m not going to report them :)…..as per my last update I conducted my own internal investigations first and they weren’t catching ducks, just swimming :)

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StarCurator · 17/08/2024 21:23

Yes, you are being unreasonable. You haven't seen those guys do anything illegal, and it sounds as if they are harmless. The idea that they are catching ducks seems extremely far-fetched. Those ducks would likely be extremely tough and would not make a delicious confit de canard. For all you know, they may not have anywhere to live, and camp out in the park; you could be doing them a lot of damage by reporting them. They are probably wondering why you are walking a dangerous dog in the park at 4am, and feeling pretty nervous that your dog might attack them.