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If you send your child to private school, do you think this will work?

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Amyia · 10/08/2024 15:05

I have 100k savings for private school, my dc is 3 so won’t be going for another couple of years. I earn 4K a month so will need to put around 1,400 towards the fees a month, as well as taking 1k a month from the 100k savings (this is inflating the fees to account for vat and additional increases so I am hoping it won’t actually be 1,400 a month from the off, but that will likely be what it looks like 8 years from now onwards).

My mortgage is 650. Am I being delusional that I can realistically afford this? If you send your dc are your finances in much better shape than this? Do people do it in circumstances like mine? It’s something I would like to do but it’s usually labelled as for the very wealthy which I am not (4 bed modest detached and very standard car etc, minimal holidays).

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WeAreManyUArefew · 11/08/2024 20:48

£4K and £100k savings plus a house … that’s why people
assume the well off use private schools, because they do!
What a waste of money. Use state school, pay for decent extra curricular ( private will be charging you anyway for music tuition, drama tuition, etc) show some interest in your kids education and they’ll be fine.
Better than fine - with all the advantages you can give.
Private school is no longer the pathway to privilege it used to be - my global company’s new grad scheme specifies state school only from age 6 all the way through.
We trialled it a few years ago for diversity, and the calibre and resilience of those grad was so good it’s permanent .
Of course, we don’t discriminate against privately educated - we just did away with the actual grad scheme ‘for now’ and have a DEI programme running separately that they aren’t eligible for.

DragonGypsyDoris · 11/08/2024 18:54

MillyMollyMandHey · 10/08/2024 21:59

Twat Klaxon!

No capital letter required to start the word 'klaxon' klaxon.🤦‍♂️

Barney16 · 10/08/2024 22:20

Wait until secondary. I sent mine private from Reception and it nearly bankrupted us because once they start the idea of taking them out is awful. If I had my time over I would keep them in state primary for as long as possible then switch. There's the fees then the uniform, the trips and lots and lots of extras.

Overthebow · 10/08/2024 22:09

You've got a house deposit for DC saved which is good, but also think about if you can also afford to contribute to university costs and driving lessons as well as giving your DC good experiences like holidays, activities and days out which are important for a balanced life. You also need to be able to save for your own life and retirement, have you got a decent pension pot and savings for yourself? I'd prioritise all those things over private school as life isn't just about which school you go to. If you have got all that then go for it.

MillyMollyMandHey · 10/08/2024 21:59

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 16:05

£100K savings stealth boast klaxon!

Twat Klaxon!

Ozanj · 10/08/2024 21:58

mindutopia · 10/08/2024 21:39

I think private school is great. Dh and I both privately educated. We haven’t thus far sent ours private as it would be cutting it close, though would consider it in secondary (eldest going into y7) if they were struggling.

What I wouldn’t waste money on is pre-prep or prep. Send them to a good state primary and bank those years of savings and re-assess what would be best for them as they enter secondary school.

As for your affordability, Dh and I make twice what you make and it would be tight. Investing that savings now to pay out at secondary age would be wise.

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I personally believe prep/pre-prep is when kids receive the true benefit of being privately educated if you pick the right school. Access to sports, access to a broad mix of experiences, art and music when the brain is forming means these kids tend to do well regardless of where they study later.

Ozanj · 10/08/2024 21:54

If you invest well you might be able to get a 15-20% annual return on your capital which could pay fees and still leave you with capital. Look at a good mix of high dividend (low risk
) stocks. Eg HSBC, Lloyds etc.

mindutopia · 10/08/2024 21:39

I think private school is great. Dh and I both privately educated. We haven’t thus far sent ours private as it would be cutting it close, though would consider it in secondary (eldest going into y7) if they were struggling.

What I wouldn’t waste money on is pre-prep or prep. Send them to a good state primary and bank those years of savings and re-assess what would be best for them as they enter secondary school.

As for your affordability, Dh and I make twice what you make and it would be tight. Investing that savings now to pay out at secondary age would be wise.

dairyfairy21 · 10/08/2024 21:33

If this money is all you have then I'd put the money aside for a property / deposit for them when they are 18 and send them to school for free!

iamtheblcksheep · 10/08/2024 19:16

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 16:05

£100K savings stealth boast klaxon!

Do take a day off

iamtheblcksheep · 10/08/2024 19:14

I would take that 100k right now and buy a property ASAP. This gives you an ever increasing rolling income that will pay your child’s fees as they get older.

This is very doable in northern towns and cities with good returns

EnidSpyton · 10/08/2024 19:14

@PotatoPie111

Good point about the increased cost of childcare as holidays in the independent sector are much longer.

We have a nine week summer holiday, two week long half terms (apart from May), and three week Easter and Christmas breaks. All of those extra weeks outside of state sector holidays will require considerable childcare costs on top of those fees you're paying.

I would also say - think really carefully about what kind of world you'll be entering your child into and the wellbeing impacts of that choice. As independent schools do become more elite, your child will be sharing her school life with the children of very, very wealthy people who have access to a lifestyle you can't provide and your child will feel shut out of. I see this at my school. We have kids living in £20 million central London mansions being chauffeured to school by the family driver, unlimited pocket money and helicoptered off to their private islands every holiday. They go out for lunch every day and think nothing of dropping £20 on sushi and iced coffees. They never, ever have to think about money or what things cost. If that is the financial situation of your entire friendship group and your parents are not in the same position, it's really, really hard. A lot of my colleagues send their kids to our school as they get such a huge discount on the fees, but a lot of them say they do feel that it wasn't the right decision as their children feel very much like outsiders and often can't participate in the social life outside of school because their friends think nothing of going out for £100 dinners and so on, which is just not something a parent on a teaching salary can keep up with. So just be mindful of what you're doing. There is a lot more cost to going to private school than just the fees if you see what I mean.

YomAsalYomBasal · 10/08/2024 19:01

Yes you can. I’m of much more limited means and I send two to private school. It means some interesting sacrifices sometimes but we make it work. If it’s that important to you I believe we find ways to do it!

PotatoPie111 · 10/08/2024 18:59

I don’t have a child at PS but I would definitely price up all the ‘extras’ like trips. Would you expect ex to go halves, he might refuse on the basis they are more expensive than state. Same with uniform.
Do the school expect everyone to do an instrument and have lessons as extra. Things like this need to be added up.
summer holidays are longer aren’t they so need more childcare cover then.

I know 2 ordinary people struggling with fees just now, especially if they go up. 1 had an outstanding primary and secondary on her doorstop and just rejected them without looking. Even a few years in primary could have made the difference now.
The second used an inheritance and it’s running out in early secondary. His wife actually quit her job so she could take child to and from school as they live far away. I think they should have moved for a better school myself.

twistyizzy · 10/08/2024 18:51

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 16:05

£100K savings stealth boast klaxon!

Not a stealth boast at all. Exactly the sort of info that's needed when weighing up affordability of private school fees.

Amyia · 10/08/2024 18:49

Limejellytoast · 10/08/2024 18:48

I don’t have 100k in savings either, but I don’t wander onto the private education threads and get arsey about over people’s financial situations

its not a ‘stealth boast’- it’s vital information for when someone is discussing financial planning for education

Some people have more money than you

get over it

Thanks @Limejellytoast . It isn’t actually a boast when I have a mortgage more than 100k!

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Education79 · 10/08/2024 18:49

EnidSpyton · 10/08/2024 17:24

@Amyia I'd add at least 5k onto those fees. And then every year they'll go up by a further 3% or so.

The reality is that the independent sector is made up of a considerable number of small, family owned schools catering to students from the local area, a sizeable amount of smaller schools owned by for-profit companies or charitable trusts, mid-range schools appealing to domestic and foreign students, and then the big-name schools that have been going for hundreds of years. The mid-range and big-name schools will be able to keep increasing fees without too much worry.

It will be the smaller schools that will struggle, as their bread and butter are parents like you who are paying out of monthly income and making genuine sacrifices to prioritise their child's education. These parents can only pay so much and these schools won't have big endowments or any endowments at all to absorb the additional VAT costs for parents for very long. Schools who are part of larger orgs will be able to hold on for longer as they will share resources and spread costs amongst them, but a lot of the family owned ones will either merge or close in the coming years as the VAT increase means they lose too many students to be able to continue. Several of these schools have already closed in the last decade as the cost of living crisis has reduced their numbers to untenable figures.

I do expect that the independent school sector will shrink in the coming years and it will slowly become more and more a privilege for the truly elite. At my school, the fees are £40k per year. For some of the parents, that is what they earn in one day. It's literally nothing to them. The VAT increase hasn't worried them at all.

If you've got your heart set on a specific school for your daughter, get copies from the Charity Commission of their accounts from the past three years and make sure they're on a firm financial footing before making any concrete plans. What kind of endowment have they got? Are their numbers falling? Schools are very good at presenting a rosy picture on their websites, but their accounts won't lie.

Totally agree with the sector shrinking, I work in the mid range section, we don't expect any change, we are over-subscribed and have a waiting list, and thus far only one family withdrawing over VAT.

It will be the lower end of the market that will suffer, with the normal earnings parents priced out.

When I was at prep school it was what we called an "owner head" school, the headmaster owned the school, family business, passed down the generations - most of these are long gone. Small trust schools will also suffer, with advantages removed and parents unable to afford the fees needed to keep going.

It will ultimately make private school a more elitist thing.

Limejellytoast · 10/08/2024 18:48

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 18:37

You work it out!

I don’t have 100k in savings either, but I don’t wander onto the private education threads and get arsey about over people’s financial situations

its not a ‘stealth boast’- it’s vital information for when someone is discussing financial planning for education

Some people have more money than you

get over it

Amyia · 10/08/2024 18:46

Twinklefloss · 10/08/2024 18:09

@Amyia i have in front of me my DD’s fee prediction from the bursar for fees in 2028/2029; £29,157. With VAT that will be £35,000 give or take.

@Twinklefloss thank you this is really helpful! That may be what I’m actually looking at then when they start

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Amyia · 10/08/2024 18:45

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 18:37

You work it out!

@DragonGypsyDoris weird thing to say. I have a mortgage that I could the money to pay off but haven’t. So it’s not exactly rolling in it to have 100k there.

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Education79 · 10/08/2024 18:40

Another independent (and former state) teacher here. I would think you could struggle, as the other teacher up thread said, prices will go up by around a third in the time given, but your reserves won't keep pace.

I would look at the provision of the state near you, I teach in a good indy and our teaching and extras are superb, but I have previously taught in a Grammar and a Comp both of which had just as dedicated and good teaching staff - most of us teachers are equally educated and qualified wherever we lay our hats, cast from the same die so to speak, so it is a myth that the education in private is better.

What you do get is all the extras that we offer, as well as smaller class sizes, built in wraparound, boarding etc.

It's worth noting that, as the other teacher pointed out, there are many charges on top, such as trips, subscriptions etc. for example we do a ski trip at extra cost, horse riding and shooting cost extra as they are done off site, run by the local stables and TA centre respectively.

DragonGypsyDoris · 10/08/2024 18:37

Amyia · 10/08/2024 17:05

@DragonGypsyDoris is this directed at me…?

You work it out!

Twinklefloss · 10/08/2024 18:09

@Amyia i have in front of me my DD’s fee prediction from the bursar for fees in 2028/2029; £29,157. With VAT that will be £35,000 give or take.

EnidSpyton · 10/08/2024 17:47

@Amyia

Big tech company CEOs, oligarchs, start up investors, private equity and hedge fund managers, CEOs of various world banks. footballers, musicians, movie stars….we’ve got them all at my school!

Amyia · 10/08/2024 17:38

brightyellowflower · 10/08/2024 17:30

Honestly? As a private school child myself, I wish my parents had saved the £100k and given it to me as a house deposit. Absolute waste of money private school in the main. If you're bright, you're bright. Both of my two go to state. Probably will top up with tutors once they reach Year 10 but the quality of teaching is superb. Something that cannot be said about the private school I went to (still 'highly rated' and bloody expensive I might add!)

If you absolutely must, don't bother with primary (honestly, biggest scam ever), save it for secondary age and again, don't bother with sixth form.

@brightyellowflower thank you. I agree about the house deposit. Very lucky that dc already has a fund for house deposit which is entirely separate. If I didn’t have that then I agree that it would be worth more to provide that than the education.

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