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Does husband need to take responsibility for this?

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Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 09:33

I'll start this by saying my husband is a lovely person. He's loving, reliable, hardworking, present etc.

He acts like every day is a celebration which in theory is very nice but in practical terms I believe is quite damaging.

He has a responsible and well-paid job. He has enough money for his part of the mortgage and bills but for any big purchases he definitely believes in taking out loans rather than saving up.

He is extremely generous with the whole family and loves to buy us all presents. The kids love it but mostly I make sure to avoid admiring anything near him because it'll turn up a few days later. The kids are overwhelmed with stuff. My husband is never happier than when he's out at the shops buying stuff.

He loves to eat well as well and although he is making serious efforts with the children and trying to understand healthy eating (though not doing it), he is health-threateningly overweight and we've already had to make a concerted effort to stop our older child going in the same direction.

Last week he received a letter from HMRC which he knows is related to an unpaid tax bill from last year, which he did make initial enquiries about at the time and then forgot. It's a significant sum, not crippling but enough to make life rough for a little while. It's not the first time he's neglected to deal with something important.

The thing is, half of me thinks that, while our children and our general finances are okay, I need to leave him to it. He's an otherwise responsible adult and must make his own choices.

But the other half of me really craves an equal partnership with someone with the same values as me. I strive to live carefully, to make healthy choices, to be environmentally responsible, to live simply and mindfully.

But I'm also weak willed and afraid I do crumble more than I ought. I have way more stuff than I need and I'm overweight as well as my diet has changed so much.

And I have to admit I have changed since we married. When I was younger I loved buying clothes, going to nice restaurants and drinking without a thought for the consequences.

So maybe it's all my fault for having changed. But I'm so tired of being the grown up and of being the one who always, always says no while he splurges on treat after treat with apparently no thought for the consequences.

What do I do?

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1AngelicFruitCake · 10/08/2024 12:09

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:48

This sounds depressingly prescient! That's exactly where my life is headed in no uncertain terms.

BUT, and like other posters have said, I have to take control of myself too. Husband does pay his share of the mortgage, more than his share of the bills (as he has the higher salary). I'm the one who chooses to go along with this lifestyle. I'm overweight because I choose to put the food in my mouth. I'm typing this message on a fancy new phone that I let him give me. I let him buy me a new pair of shoes and a new top last week when I don't need any. I let myself be talked into getting a new car when the old one was perfectly adequate. I'm being a hypocrite and it's easy to sit here fatly thinking about how great it would be thin if only it wasn't for him.

It’s sad and frustrating to read this. From your point of view you might see your life as being a positive, stable life but to me it comes across as really out of control with disaster about to descend. I feel for you having this to sort out. Maybe shock him by piling up things to sell (and mean it) and start refusing all new bought items.

FFSWherearemyglasses · 10/08/2024 12:07

You have described my step dad to a T
He died leaving £27k of debt on cards and in loans.
It’s those left behind that pick up the pieces 🥺

Edingril · 10/08/2024 12:02

So he spends what you earn or is your wages separate?

gamerchick · 10/08/2024 12:01

Still one good thing might come out of you both dancing around the issue. It'll fuck his credit score. No more loans

1AngelicFruitCake · 10/08/2024 12:00

You’re using positives to describe his behaviour but I find it quite selfish! Im
really greedy (and overweight!) and me treating myself and my family to food is me being extra greedy! Same with buying presents, easy to do and everyone loves you.

Making a healthier tea, going for a walk, playing with an old board game - all sounds twee but that shows real care. Anyone can spend money and it sounds like you don’t have it to spend.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/08/2024 11:59

He's a hoarder, shopping and dopamine addict - the pleasure is in buying more things, buying expensive things, owning and presenting new things to people, having more things around the house, being the person who goes round the supermarket putting the so-called luxury items in the trolley.

Just open the damn letter. See what he owes - that'll make it real, which is what he's avoiding by not opening it, and is quite possibly contributing to his buying as he's trying to block out the thoughts about it by going for the dopamine hit of buying more bloody Stuff.

He won't appreciate the reality check and will hate being told that he can't pursue his addiction to a few moments' buzz - but you've got to do it before he drags you into poverty, as there is no off switch and he will continue spending until you have less than nothing.

gamerchick · 10/08/2024 11:59

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 10:16

He says he'll open it next week. I don't want to push him and make him unhappy, even though I'm unhappy not knowing what the situation is.

You're both burying your head in the sand here. Tell him to open the letter now and face this shit head on or you'll lose respect for him. Stop with the don't want him to feel unhappy crap. Your needs are just as important.

This is a proper come to jesus conversation OP. You both need a good talking to.

Cherrysoup · 10/08/2024 11:58

He’s addicted, same as an alcoholic or gambler. He needs help. Would he let you take control of the finances? I think you’re right in that you need to set the example. Has he understood how awful the kids’ rooms look with all the overflow of stuff? I mean, has he really SEEN how bad it is? I would do a hard re-set, chuck out excess/stuff that no longer fits/gets played with, like the Stacey Solomon programme. Sell, donate etc, you’re going to need the money.

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:55

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 10/08/2024 11:51

Crossposted with you OP. Sounds like you've started to see what's wrong. Can you get help/advice to support you in making the change?

I get my help and advice from Mumsnet 😉

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 10/08/2024 11:51

Crossposted with you OP. Sounds like you've started to see what's wrong. Can you get help/advice to support you in making the change?

FriendsDrinkBook · 10/08/2024 11:49

Op , if you can't sit your partner down have a conversation about how their behaviour is impacting your (and the kids) life negatively then you have a problem. You should be able to do this with each other and have that person make self motivated changes with support. I've been where you are and it ended in divorce. I am now married to a person that takes responsibility for himself and it is not only refreshing , but also vital.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 10/08/2024 11:49

I've tried.. But it seems so hard on a little kid..
Again, OP, you are part of the problem here. I had to do this with my DD because we lived in a tiny house and had no more space. I explained it simply, she understood and was able to choose things she no longer wanted. With clothes it's easier. If they are too small, get rid.
You are not helping your children by being this soft. If they were sick and needed treatment, you wouldn't refuse it because it might be a bit unpleasant would you. Well this is for their mental health. And yours. And the long term resilience of the whole family.
You need to change your perspective on this urgently.

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:48

Purplecrush · 10/08/2024 11:01

I couldn't be married to someone with so many huge issues which jeopardise the family.

He's not generous, he has a shopping addiction.
It really is that simply.
You think it is all about you and your children, but it is all about him.

Then he shuts you down by refusing to talk.
His over eating is part of the emotional issue.

You are afraid of bringing it up and him being angry or upset....which effectively shuts you down.

This is a really shit marriage with financial abuse.
He spends, you worry.

Get some counselling for yourself to get you out of this fog and hopefully to give you the strength and bravery to see the wood from the trees.

My close friend is married to someone similar for 30 years.
He has just spent their second and final inheritance from his mother.
Money that would have been better spent on their youngests university has been spent on an expensive campervan.

She works, has a good job, but whilst he wants to retire soon on his small pension and commit to his many interests and hobbies, she will have to work on.

A shit show.
I can't stand him and we haven't socialised with him for a good 15 years, too selfish.

She's so lovely. Despite earning well and technically having loads of money, she has worried about money for the duration of our 25 friendship.

With what he has spent on shite over 30 years, they could both be happily retired.
It's hard to watch and listen to.

Edited

This sounds depressingly prescient! That's exactly where my life is headed in no uncertain terms.

BUT, and like other posters have said, I have to take control of myself too. Husband does pay his share of the mortgage, more than his share of the bills (as he has the higher salary). I'm the one who chooses to go along with this lifestyle. I'm overweight because I choose to put the food in my mouth. I'm typing this message on a fancy new phone that I let him give me. I let him buy me a new pair of shoes and a new top last week when I don't need any. I let myself be talked into getting a new car when the old one was perfectly adequate. I'm being a hypocrite and it's easy to sit here fatly thinking about how great it would be thin if only it wasn't for him.

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KreedKafer · 10/08/2024 11:47

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:36

Also, no, my children don't enjoy being swamped with stuff. Their rooms are a disaster and there's no space to play.

Have you actually told your husband all the things you’re telling us? Have you brought him into the room when you’re trying to find space for stuff and said “Look, this has got to be a wake-up call: I love you and I know you love to be generous, but we have far, far too much stuff; this is over the top and it’s not actually making any of us happy now. It’s got to stop. Do you think maybe it would help to have a think about why you’re buying all this stuff and why you can’t stop? Because it’s at the point now where it does feel a bit like a shopping addiction and that’s really worrying me.”

nickelbabe · 10/08/2024 11:42

PS: use the piano.
get it tuned, open the lid, learn. Encourage the children to learn.
At least you might feel a bit more in control.

NetflixAndKill · 10/08/2024 11:41

My friends husband is exactly the same. Although he was telling her he had paid the red council tax and rent bills that were coming through. He was spending money on new cars, phones, food etc; they were evicted a few months later. Open the letter. Get a plan in place ASAP before this spirals.

nickelbabe · 10/08/2024 11:41

It's not harsh on a little kid to make their life more pleasant by getting rid of crap.

Seriously, go through all of their stuff. Sell anything that no longer fits, put that money in an account of your own, not a joint account.
Sit with them and work out what toys, games and books they don't use/play with and sell those too.

I'd be making steps towards restricting his money, too.
and force him to call hmrc.

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:36

Also, no, my children don't enjoy being swamped with stuff. Their rooms are a disaster and there's no space to play.

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Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:35

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 10/08/2024 11:26

Time for some tough love OP.
You first - you are enabling him.
He has a real problem and your reaction is to wait for him to sort himself out because you don't want to make him unhappy.
If you lose your home you will all be unhappy. Open the envelope. Now. In front of him.
Do your children enjoy being swamped with stuff, seriously? They are going to grow up with the same inability to regulate their spending/eating.
If you can't do it for your own sake or your husband's sake, take control for their sake. It's no way for them to live.
And you can start by having a one in, one out policy. They do not have any room for any more stuff, so every time your DH buys them something, you take an old toy/game pair of jeans and donate or sell it on vinted etc.
Do not let their stuff start to creep into your space. Stop that right now

I've tried one in one out, but it seems so hard on a little kid. Often I assuage the anxiety that comes with the clutter by chucking out my own stuff. I definitely by far have the smallest amount of stuff of all of us (except for the piano which husband bought when I mentioned I'd love to learn one day - a gorgeous gesture but it's gathering dust).

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GreenIvyy · 10/08/2024 11:35

If he's got previous for racking up big bills that mummy and daddy bail him out for, hes not likely to stop doing this op. I personally couldn’t live like this with the uncertainty of his financial incompetence

FriendsDrinkBook · 10/08/2024 11:32

@NewDogOwner why is it the op's responsibility to do this? This needs to dropped at his feet , respectfully and with support and encouragement obviously.

Bucketbluebell · 10/08/2024 11:31

NewDogOwner · 10/08/2024 11:28

Can you work out why he is like this? It could help. Did he grow up poor and is making up for it? Did he grow up wealthy and with a family who behaves similarly? Once he thinks about what need this fills in him, he can try to work through it or find a better way to deal with his motivation.

That's something I've been asking myself. His parents are lovely. Maybe they help him a little too much? They are very generous and have often stepped in in the past when he's had a big bill to pay. And I've benefited from it too- we wouldn't have our house if they hadn't given us a good chunk of money!

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FriendsDrinkBook · 10/08/2024 11:30

I think you're seriously under reacting op.

He's overweight and in debt. This could have severe consequences for you and your family. Just because he's doing it with a smile on his face it doesn't make his behaviour any less damaging.

You need to be firm , and mean what you say. He can't be left to it as he's not a single person. That's selfish of him to ask of you.

NewDogOwner · 10/08/2024 11:28

Can you work out why he is like this? It could help. Did he grow up poor and is making up for it? Did he grow up wealthy and with a family who behaves similarly? Once he thinks about what need this fills in him, he can try to work through it or find a better way to deal with his motivation.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 10/08/2024 11:26

Time for some tough love OP.
You first - you are enabling him.
He has a real problem and your reaction is to wait for him to sort himself out because you don't want to make him unhappy.
If you lose your home you will all be unhappy. Open the envelope. Now. In front of him.
Do your children enjoy being swamped with stuff, seriously? They are going to grow up with the same inability to regulate their spending/eating.
If you can't do it for your own sake or your husband's sake, take control for their sake. It's no way for them to live.
And you can start by having a one in, one out policy. They do not have any room for any more stuff, so every time your DH buys them something, you take an old toy/game pair of jeans and donate or sell it on vinted etc.
Do not let their stuff start to creep into your space. Stop that right now

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