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Parents being scammed - advice urgently needed!

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Neighneigh · 09/08/2024 21:49

Sorry to put this in aibu, am a long time member of Mumsnet, very much need some advice.

I've just discovered that earlier this week a roofer knocked on my parents door and my mum has signed two pieces of paper - one she doesn't have any more and one is a quote for roofing works to £2400. She went to the bank to transfer from savings to current account to pay, they told her not to do it. Happened to be a police officer there and they said the same. Scaffolding has appeared on the house and the roofers are coming back on Monday. Money is still in parents account.

I cannot think that a legit company would be available so quickly (they are in south England) and am v v concerned that this is going to go horribly wrong. Their roof is a bit knackered and my mum is desperate to get it fixed which is why she's agreed to it. She is mid 70s, dad late 70s, I suspect theres some early signs of memory loss at best in both of them (saw them two weeks ago and was starting to worry before this happened!).

Parents have not handed over any money yet. I am three hours away. If I can get there on Sunday can I tell these people to fuck off? Can I lie and say I have power of attorney, and they don't even have that much money? If my mum has signed a contract how the hell can I get them out of it? If the scaffolding is up is that them technically starting work?

Any advice v much appreciated.

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Rumplestiltz · 11/08/2024 20:01

I know of a case where the victim was scammed out of over £100k through this kind of roofing con. They found more and more “problems” and needed more and more money. You have got away lightly.

Neighneigh · 11/08/2024 19:52

@TwinklyAmberOrca no it was basically a quote to replace some slipped slates, not a full refurb but I don't doubt that once anyone gets up there they'd very easily say "well that roof is shot and needs entirely replacing".....my mum wasn't left with any paperwork except the quote. She signed another doc that was taken away. Dh agreed to pay £700. I've said I will halve it with mum as she is feeling shit about everything (hence me saying a few hundred before). Yes we've been ripped off but it's not as bad as it could have been, especially as I am so far away.

The fact the roof needs doing isn't the issue (my dad is the problem there) - it's the very real prospect of them saying they needed more money, and more and more, as others have experienced, and the way the service was sold. Any money my parents do have is needed on a heating system, hot water and completing a dad-bodged building project. Yes the whole sodding thing is a mess.

Hats off to Halifax though because it was their bank staff who went to quite a length to explain to mum that this wasn't right.

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suburburban · 11/08/2024 19:06

BodenCardiganNot · 11/08/2024 16:00

What were they doing for £2400?
The chances are nothing. They would have gone up on the roof, caused damage and billed the op's parents for another few grand. Fucking bastards.
The scaffolding will have cost them nothing if they own it. So even paying for that was a rip off but just as well to have them gone.

Yes that's what they do.

Make the problem worse

BodenCardiganNot · 11/08/2024 16:00

What were they doing for £2400?
The chances are nothing. They would have gone up on the roof, caused damage and billed the op's parents for another few grand. Fucking bastards.
The scaffolding will have cost them nothing if they own it. So even paying for that was a rip off but just as well to have them gone.

Blue444 · 11/08/2024 15:47

My late FIL lived in my partners house and signed a contract for new windows, didnt tell my OH. Luckily my OH was there when they came to make arrangements. Told them my FIL had no right to sign anything and they should have checked house ownership first! They weren't happy

TwinklyAmberOrca · 11/08/2024 10:29

Make sure you put a "No Cold Callers" sign on the front door!!!

What were they doing for £2400? That's quite cheap if they were replacing an entire roof!

If the roof needed doing I would have done some research into the credibility and made it clear that payment would only be made upon completion where YOU or a professional would inspect their work. Did they give you a copy of the other paperwork?

Also £300 for scaffolding seems cheap. That's often one of the most expensive parts of roofing jobs although depends if they own the scaffolding themselves. It's quite common to leave it up at one job until it can be taken down and moved straight to the next job.

loropianalover · 11/08/2024 10:17

Glad you got sorted @Neighneigh ! So glad the bank workers were also there to advise them not to do it. Goes to show how important the physical locations still are, they try to push everything online but people still need support.

Neighneigh · 11/08/2024 09:57

Just wanted to thank everyone for your replies and update people - DH has spoken to the guy, said they've got no money and therefore the whole thing is a waste of time. We've agreed to pay for the scaffolding (as mum has signed a contract so technically they've started work - part of the scam I guess) but that they're to take it down and get lost. Parent wise, dad is being exceptionally unhelpful and says "your mother has to learn" but that's probably a whole other thread....parents have been told to absolutely not engage or talk to scaffolders or anyone else who knocks offering services.

Thank you for all the replies, it was really helpful. We are a free hundred quid down but fortunately not thousands. Useful reminder to tell your relatives not to agree to anything sold in that way!

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spiderlight · 09/08/2024 23:54

Our elderly neighbour was scammed out of thousands - the police took it very seriously, went round and gave everyone in the street a crime reference number and told us to ring 999 if we ever saw them going near his house again. At one point the guys had physically taken him to the bank and made him draw out 7 grand in cash for them. No idea why the bank let him do that, but that was what the police and his son told us. Hope you manage to put a stop to it.

MotherJessAndKittens · 09/08/2024 23:30

Sorry but I think you and your DH should be there when they come and tell them to take scaffolding down and that the police are aware. Then check what needs done and get a few reliable quotes from firms with positive reviews.

invisiblecat · 09/08/2024 23:23

Waltdisnerd · 09/08/2024 23:11

The roof desperately needs doing? A bit quick to suggest calling trading standards, they might do a great job.

Reputable tradespeople do not go around knocking on the doors of elderly people persuading them to have their roof done.

This is as dodgy as fuck.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 09/08/2024 23:16

Waltdisnerd · 09/08/2024 23:11

The roof desperately needs doing? A bit quick to suggest calling trading standards, they might do a great job.

Do you really think a good roofer will be knocking doors looking for work?

I'm not a FB fan but community groups are often great in such situations. I'd ask on the local group.

Waltdisnerd · 09/08/2024 23:11

The roof desperately needs doing? A bit quick to suggest calling trading standards, they might do a great job.

Ariela · 09/08/2024 23:01

It may be they're using your parents house to store the scaffolding, and trying to charge them for the privilege by claiming to do the roof work.

NightBirdy · 09/08/2024 22:59

100% a scam, the exact same happened to my 80yo neighbour, apart from the scammers had already taken her to the bank for their "deposit". The scaffold was up before the ink was dry. When I realised what was going on, I called the police and they came and spoke to the neighbour and took it all very seriously. Police will advise what to do.

You need to be there when they come back to start the work and know your rights about telling them that they need to get the scaffold down and leave. Do NOT pay a penny.

ThePoetsWife · 09/08/2024 22:55

Contact trading standards - they were brilliant when we had a similar issue and they contacted the builder to threaten with legal action. The way the roofer approached your parents is illegal and against standards.

AllTheEights888 · 09/08/2024 22:49

@Neighneigh Do you/your parents have home insurance that includes a legal helpline?
If so, they might be open tomorrow, and could give you advice.

I like the PPs advice about calling the scaffolding company, that’s also worth a try.

Tarquina · 09/08/2024 22:47

On the document is there a proper address like a phone number I don't mean a mobile number I mean a real landline number, and an actual address?

This so-called contract was made under duress from a cold caller and is absolutely worthless in law.

these people are scammers and if your parents reneged on the contract they are not going to take your parents to court, so you can forget about being scared of breaking this so-called contract.

Thank goodness they have not paid any money over . this is the only good thing about this terrible story.

Contact them and tell them to come and take the scaffolding down. They are not doing any work before any work is done on a roof or anything, your parents need to get three quotes from three reputable builders who they have contacted themselves via checker trade or such like where they can read the reviews. Even better get a personal recommendation by word of mouth.

Absolutely nobody gets work done because somebody comes knocking on the door touting for work. As the electrician above has said, no tradesmen who is bonafide goes knocking door to door trying to get work. This whole thing stinks like a rotting fish. Do not let your parents give these people a single penny.

MrsMoastyToasty · 09/08/2024 22:44

A good tradesman will have finance with his bank for outgoings he incurs at the start of a job which will be recouped when the customer pays his invoice at the end of the job.

Education79 · 09/08/2024 22:23

I'm an electrician, this is certainly dodgy - no reputable tradesperson knocks doors for work, maybe a leaflet drop when you first start, then you end up booked by recommendation or your advertising - those of us who are busy just don't have time to knock doors, and its a rough way to tout for work.

£2500 won't do very much roofing at todays prices, so you can be sure they will muck about up there for a few hours and probably make any issues worse.

I'd be up there with a scaffold key and have all their (no doubt stolen) scaffolding neatly stacked and tell them to foxtrot Oscar.

In seriousness, if they put the scaffolding up, look at the tubes, most scaffolding firms have their name and contact number roll embossed all along the side of each tube in 12pt type, if its got a number, give them a call, they have probably been looking for it!!

Saggytoot · 09/08/2024 22:13

Very scamworthy. Any good firm simply does not door knock for work. These have door knocked, probably pressure sold then got the scaffolding up all within a couple of days. Objectively though they've signed something and agreed to the work but you could argue under duress as they were canvassed? Id also be tempted to tell them to fuck right off.

PlanningTowns · 09/08/2024 22:07

Search the directors on companies house and see if there are other companies they have been directors of, that maybe a further red flag.

what happened with the second document they signed?

have they set out clearly the work they are going to do? The fact they have put scaffolding up is good, but they may just faff about with a couple of tiles. What work is actually needed? Can’t you get a builder friend to take a look or call the company and ask them to walk you through what they are planning. If the roof needs repair then it maybe legitimate but it doesn’t seem like a significant amount of money to sort it unless the issue is very specific.

MarshmallowVeronica · 09/08/2024 22:05

Catza · 09/08/2024 22:02

Hang on, let’s just back up a little. What is the actual tangible evidence that this company is not legitimate? They agreed to do the work and they showed up to do the work. Ok, they only set up in June but new businesses set up all the time. This will also explain why they have a gap in their schedule. And you parents genuinely need the roof doing. So far, everything adds up.
Was there anything in the contract that looked suspicious? Or is it just that you are, perhaps legitimately, worried about your parents’ ability to fully make an informed decision? This, in itself, does not mean they have been scammed.

Everything does NOT add up. OP’s mum has signed something and not been left a copy of what it was - she signed two things and has only been given a copy of one. That alone is fishy.

Catza · 09/08/2024 22:02

Hang on, let’s just back up a little. What is the actual tangible evidence that this company is not legitimate? They agreed to do the work and they showed up to do the work. Ok, they only set up in June but new businesses set up all the time. This will also explain why they have a gap in their schedule. And you parents genuinely need the roof doing. So far, everything adds up.
Was there anything in the contract that looked suspicious? Or is it just that you are, perhaps legitimately, worried about your parents’ ability to fully make an informed decision? This, in itself, does not mean they have been scammed.

Neighneigh · 09/08/2024 22:01

@JackGrealishsCalves and @loropianalover thank you both - yes I was thinking that about paying for the scaffolding. My worry would be that we can't stay long down there as youngest is having a small op on the 20th

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