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To Feel Uncomfortable Continuing This Friendship.

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Molone · 09/08/2024 21:15

I have just discovered that a friends husband went to prison a few years ago for sexual offences he committed when he was a teen.
My friend is lovely, kind and a great Mum so it’s come as a surprise to me that she married and then went on to have children with someone who had been found guilty of this.

AIBU to step away from the friendship? I guess it’s kind of changed my opinion of her even though I know that she herself has done nothing wrong.

Or am I just being too judgy?

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Improbablywrong · 11/08/2024 19:25

I wouldn’t cut her off but I wouldn’t let him be near your children in any setting: and I would watch his children for signs of abuse quite closely.

i have personal experience. You need to ensure he’s not passing down inappropriate behaviours to his own kids.

Despair1 · 11/08/2024 19:17

TemuSpecialBuy · 09/08/2024 21:51

very honestly…I wouldn’t want myself or my children within a mile of him and would be cooling the friendship.

It might be harsh but I wouldn’t care what the mitigating factors were - my families safety is more important than being “nice” “kind” or “fair”

he is a paedophile.

Edited

Very harsh, we don't know the facts and he was a minor at the time

CanelliniBeans · 10/08/2024 16:44

If she's your friend and is completely innocent then don't step away and punish her.
If he presents a risk then only meet her away from the house and don't do joint things.

HollyKnight · 10/08/2024 09:09

Um, to all you rape apologists, even if it was a "relationship", an ELEVEN-YEAR-OLD CHILD can not consent to sexual activity. That's not even a teenager. That's a child barely out of primary school, if at all. The age gap between 11 and 15 is huge. If your 15-year-old doesn't understand he shouldn't molest 11-year-olds, then you've gone very wrong with your parenting.

PensionMention · 10/08/2024 08:46

I would be stepping away, it is irrelevant that he was 15.

Your friends husband now has a life, who knows what kind of life his victim has. Whilst survivors of sexual abuse can have fulfilling lives many that are sexually abused especially as children end up with many issues.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 10/08/2024 08:38

TemuSpecialBuy · 09/08/2024 21:51

very honestly…I wouldn’t want myself or my children within a mile of him and would be cooling the friendship.

It might be harsh but I wouldn’t care what the mitigating factors were - my families safety is more important than being “nice” “kind” or “fair”

he is a paedophile.

Edited

No he isn’t - he was under age too.

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Balhammom · 10/08/2024 00:21

With respect, I don’t see it as any of OP’s business.

OP is not friends with this man. If you want to cast out your friend based on who she’s married to, that’s your call, but it seems odd and controlling.

I think it’s a very natural thing to do. I wouldn’t stay friends with a woman who supported a convicted sex offender. I wouldn’t visit their house or want my kids to. That’s a very normal and natural response. Self protective rather than controlling.

LlynTegid · 10/08/2024 07:41

I think for me it would affect any friendship. It seems to me almost saying would you want to be friends with someone who upon discovering their other half was a sex offender, remained in the relationship. When they had no children and were not married at the time.

Maria1979 · 10/08/2024 07:28

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 09/08/2024 22:36

I have to disagree with the “he was only 15” comments. DDs ex-bf was only 15 when he raped her, as well as being physically and mentally abusive and coercive. We are still awaiting to see if it’s going to go to CPS, and he hasn’t been punished as yet. I have found it utterly disheartening that because they were in a relationship and some things were consensual with the way it’s been handled.

By the by, given what he has done I would need to know what my friend was planning to do. Did she already know about it? Is she planning on staying with him? Does she need support to leave? Having said that, if she was staying with him and supporting him I would likely distance myself.

I was one of those saying he was only 15 IF we were talking about an immature 15-year old being in a relationship with an 11 year old and no violence was involved. Doesnt make it ok but less despicable. Clearly this was not the case in OPs story neither in yours.
Rape can take place in marriages as well, there is never an excuse.
I am so sorry for what you have been through.

maddening · 10/08/2024 00:43

Sorry reread - his brother

maddening · 10/08/2024 00:42

Pantaloons99 · 09/08/2024 23:59

The fact 2 siblings paired up to do this makes me even more sick tbh. It is absolutely vile. I could not be ok with this. I'd never feel right around the friend.

I read it as his friend was abusing the friend's sibling already and then he got involved in that somehow?

HuggingAnIcePack887 · 10/08/2024 00:41

I could not bring myself to ever speak to her again. That's horrific.

WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 10/08/2024 00:35

Molone · 09/08/2024 22:11

Because as far an I am aware he doesn’t have a sister.

But how could you possibly know if he had a sister?

I doubt she would be round there for Sunday lunch, and he wouldnt be talking about a sibling he had sexually abused would he.

The chances are quite high that is was their sister, but giving her anonymity means it would not be reported.

I would definitely distance myself from the friend as they had children AFTER he had gone to prison.

Balhammom · 10/08/2024 00:21

With respect, I don’t see it as any of OP’s business.

OP is not friends with this man. If you want to cast out your friend based on who she’s married to, that’s your call, but it seems odd and controlling.

Pantaloons99 · 09/08/2024 23:59

The fact 2 siblings paired up to do this makes me even more sick tbh. It is absolutely vile. I could not be ok with this. I'd never feel right around the friend.

Ginkypig · 09/08/2024 23:51

your reply to mine is even worse.

he and his sibling ganged together to sexually abuse an 11 year old child.

im sorry but 15 is not an excuse.

TemuSpecialBuy · 09/08/2024 22:39

Molone · 09/08/2024 22:12

Yes they were together before he went to prison, then married and had children after his release. I was gobsmacked when I saw the article, they look like the perfect family.

This is shocking.
She is either a denier and / or enabler.

they are almost as dangerous due to their inability to see what’s in front of their face.

why would you even doubt yourself?

The fact she chose to have children with him KNOWING he is a paedophile and sex offender leaves me speechless. It’s one thing to pretend to yourself and do whatever with your own life… but to actively bring children in to the world with a convicted paedophile? It’s beggars belief…

Psychoticbreak · 09/08/2024 22:38

She is a paedophile apologist. Absolutely I would walk away from the friendship and have done before.

Just wondering though are social services involved? Surely if he is on the register then them having kids is a huge risk?

VibeVanguard · 09/08/2024 22:36

We make judgements in order to keep ourselves safe. Judgments aren’t always a bad thing!

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 09/08/2024 22:36

I have to disagree with the “he was only 15” comments. DDs ex-bf was only 15 when he raped her, as well as being physically and mentally abusive and coercive. We are still awaiting to see if it’s going to go to CPS, and he hasn’t been punished as yet. I have found it utterly disheartening that because they were in a relationship and some things were consensual with the way it’s been handled.

By the by, given what he has done I would need to know what my friend was planning to do. Did she already know about it? Is she planning on staying with him? Does she need support to leave? Having said that, if she was staying with him and supporting him I would likely distance myself.

Boltonb · 09/08/2024 22:35

I would distance myself and let the friendship die naturally. Certainly wouldn’t want my children anywhere near them. He’s an offender who may or may not still pose a risk, and she is an apologist for an offender.

I wouldn’t be happy being friends with anyone with a history like this. I think being “judgy” about people sexually assaulting an 11 year old is absolutely fair enough.

NotSoHotMess24 · 09/08/2024 22:30

Molone · 09/08/2024 21:41

Sorry I will try to answer the questions but trying to not be too outing.
They were historical offences, so the victim reported the events to the police a few years after the crimes were committed. He was 15 she was 11 and his brother also went to prison for offences against the same girl.
He was given two years imprisonment and ten years on the register.

Sounds like it was quite serious, if he was given a two year sentence.

As others have said, if at 16 he'd slept with a 15yo, I wouldn't think anything of it at all. But doesn't sound like that's the case. Personally, I would distance myself. Judgy though it probably is.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 09/08/2024 22:29

You’ve already made up your mind - why are you second guessing?

Eggseggslegs · 09/08/2024 22:27

Sorry but I would personally step away. Some crimes are unforgivable and people don't change that much!

DutifulDaughterWifeMother · 09/08/2024 22:24

@Molone Thats even worse they were together!!!

Honestly knowing this why did you come on here & ask the question??

She is not a good decision maker & I do not need that type of person around me and mine.

I most definitely wouldn’t have needed to ask this question on a public forum when the very first question I would be asking is whether this friend was aware or not!

I was thinking perhaps the friend wasn’t aware as you had left that piece of the jigsaw out.

Is this one of those stupid reverses you hear about on here??

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